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Suicide Discussion
 

CanadianPositiveCarry's picture
IB
 
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 on 7/18/12 at 5:53pm
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So, some peeps from my floor and I were discussing the situation with the banker who committed suicide in the courtroom. There was quite a heated discussion, but the group could be divided into those who thought that what he did was bad-ass, and mostly religious peeps who though it was morally despicable. I would like to discuss this further, but in a different context. Is suicide justified if the costs of living (for the banker in question it would have been 16 years of butt-rape in prison) outweigh the benefits? IMO, suicide is only justified when you are out of commission (life circumstances are such that you can no longer compete in the capitalistic jungle). Thoughts?

BenedictPowers's picture

I am not going to discuss

O
(Baboon, 101
 
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 on 7/18/12 at 6:16pm

I am not going to discuss this from a religious angle, so here the neutral view:

Suicide is not justified in my opinion as almost anything can be dealt with in life, even a prison sentence. If you can handle the politics in a bank you should be able to deal with your inmates.

Does anybody think that a disease/terminal illness justifies taking your own life? I don't.

philosophizingphilosoraptor's picture

Suicide is a permanent

 
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 on 7/18/12 at 6:21pm

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Personally, I am against it, but ideologically, everyone has self-determination and the right to do anything they want.

However, life can always be improved, in my opinion it is almost always worth living. As long as we have some degree free will (debatable in itself), life is worth living.

Since nothing comes after life, you only get one shot - make the best of it. Restrospectively, you cannot change your past, but you can make the best of your future. The cards are given to you, but you play the hand.

To the starving man, beans are caviar

hoodinternet's picture

I doubt the banker would be

(Baboon, 123
 
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 on 7/18/12 at 6:23pm

I doubt the banker would be put in the same cell or even the same prison as anyone dangerous enough to actually rape someone in prison. I know its a joke but some people take it as fact that prison = male rape. That said, 16 years in prison when you are that old, not to mention the damage to your reputation and your social circle can be enough to do some people in. I don't think I can say I could have powered through it if I was put in the same situation, but people certainly have in the past.

JDawg's picture

Suicide = natural selection

(Gorilla, 528
 
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 on 7/18/12 at 6:33pm

Suicide = natural selection at it's finest

SRRubio123's picture

I'd do the same in his shoes.

 
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 on 7/18/12 at 6:46pm

I'd do the same in his shoes. I also support assisted suicide for older people (ie, your grandma just died and your gramps has a terminal disease, he can choose to end it)

JeffSkilling's picture

If you want to kill yourself

(King Kong, 1,911
 
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 on 7/18/12 at 6:58pm

If you want to kill yourself you should have the right to.

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Ron Paul's picture

JeffSkilling: If you want to

 
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 on 7/18/12 at 7:02pm
JeffSkilling:

If you want to kill yourself you should have the right to.

KYS

just playin dawg! but if you want to, go for it - like you said it should be your right

John Rolfe's picture

I think assisted suicide

AM
(Orangutan, 361
 
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 on 7/18/12 at 7:05pm

I think assisted suicide should be available to people with long prison sentences...it could really cut costs significantly.

GoodBread's picture

Always struck me as a

AM
(Neanderthal, 3,637
 
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 on 7/18/12 at 7:08pm

Always struck me as a cop-out. Plus this guy definitely deserved to spend some time in prison reflecting on his stupidity: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/10/justice/arizona-...

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happypantsmcgee's picture

Whats badass about enduring

O
(Almost Human, 9,627
 
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 on 7/18/12 at 7:13pm

Whats badass about enduring all of the humiliation of being charged with a crime and then offing yourself with pills before you even go to a white collar prison?

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

UFOinsider's picture

No comment on the morality of

O
(Human, 10,459
 
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 on 7/18/12 at 7:55pm

No comment on the morality of it. I don't think most people who seriously consider the idea are 'reasonable' at the moment, so it's kind of a case by case thing considering WHY they're suicidal. Honestly though, if you're considering suicide, please seek professional help, clinical depression is a real illness just like cancer or the flu...it's just not as visible. It's also very fixable, and many very successful people have overcome it. Consider the story of Edgar Allen Poe: the day after he was found dead in a gutter, a huge check from a publisher came.

Stick around, you never know what tomorrow will bring.

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I called my wife fat while we were making dinner.

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FeelingMean's picture

I would love to hear the

VC
(Gorilla, 679
 
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 on 7/18/12 at 8:05pm

I would love to hear the logic of those folks who thought this was "bad-ass". How could anyone watch that and think "Wow that was pretty bad-ass"? lol

"That dude is so haole, he don't even have any breath left."

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FeelingMean: I would love to

O
(Human, 10,459
 
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 on 7/18/12 at 8:33pm
FeelingMean:

I would love to hear the logic of those folks who thought this was "bad-ass". How could anyone watch that and think "Wow that was pretty bad-ass"? lol

Agree, this dude just caved. When I think "bad ass" suicide, I think Hannibal after defeat by the Romans, or a Samuri ending his life to preserve his family's honor...still looney tunes but whatever. This dude couldn't deal with giving up the high life and got busted on insurance fraud...and could have at any time prior just taken a cut to his lifestyle. I'm not him, so I don't know all the details....but I know I wouldn't have done that.

I just had my first UFO experience.

I called my wife fat while we were making dinner.

Flying saucers everywhere XD

BlackBox's picture

I wouldn't exactly call it

IB
 
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 on 7/18/12 at 8:15pm

I wouldn't exactly call it bad-ass, but I definitely wouldn't call it morally despicable either. I do think it is his choice to make, but would he have made the same decision a few months or even weeks down the line? I think not, which is why I have no problem with it being anathema to the religious nutters out there.

JDimon's picture

To answer OP's question, the

(Orangutan, 258
 
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 on 7/18/12 at 8:48pm

To answer OP's question, the cost of living never outweigh the benefits. That's just fucking stupid. Okay, maybe we can debate the situation of 95 year olds and assisted suicide, but like others who commented here, I view suicide more as a cop-out then anything else, and it's very sad because everything ends up being okay in the end.

There is already a book on you. That book is already being written. And if I talked to your friends, your teachers, your professionals, your family, I would know so much about you I wouldn't even have to meet you. You write the book the way you want to be

CanadianPositiveCarry's picture

very interesting / mature

IB
 
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 on 7/18/12 at 10:34pm
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I don't think it's morally

HF
 
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 on 7/18/12 at 11:16pm

I hate victims who respect their executioners

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idrankmalk's picture

I'm a big believer in

(Monkey, 57
 
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 on 7/19/12 at 10:55am

I have a competition in me. I want no one else to succeed.

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idrankmalk: I'm a big

HF
 
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 on 7/19/12 at 12:24pm

I hate victims who respect their executioners

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BenedictPowers: Does anybody

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 on 7/19/12 at 12:58pm

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