What career path will be the best to take if I want to land a hedge fund job?

I am close to graduating from college, my goal is to land a job in a hedge fund. Im aware that chances are that won't happen straight out of college. What career path should I take in order to be able to have the right exit opportunity to land a hedge fund job in the next 1 to 2 years after graduating? Thank you

 
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  1. Depends. There are pros and cons, but generally the more directly applicable work you do, the better. So, doing L/S investing at a small fund is clearly better preparation for a MF L/S role. Having said that, sometimes the name/branding of your former employer plays a role in you getting looks from the big funds, which means making a case in favor of a top sell-side sector team becomes easier. This is especially the case when you're more junior. If you're more senior then your PnL is more or less what only matters. Unfortunately, often times you don't have an auditable track record until you manage your own chunk of capital, which means that your PnL record is technically all backward looking fluff anyway.

Wouldn't really take into consideration the sector aspect of sell-side versus buy-side as a starting point for a career - you can equally, if not to a greater extent, become a sector specialist on the buy-side if you wish.

  1. Responsibilities/what you learn is not really easy to BS. You speak with the person and you know within the first couple of minutes if that person knows what he/she is talking about. Give more credit to your prospective employers. AUM is hardly the most important factor. It's down to whether 1) they like you / you're a fit to the team 2) your thinking is not completely different to how the team thinks 3) whether they like your pitch / reasoning / believe that you have the skills to add value 4) your former team's record / how well known (or good) the former team is (albeit this is more for you even getting the initial interview, not much more, but is often considered for their own marketing/fund pitching purposes).

So, in a nutshell, you have two things at play: stuff that will get you the interview and stuff that will get you employed. To get the interview it's a bit like banking - you need a good school, branding in terms of work experience etc. It's more intangible once you're already speaking with them.

  1. Sector understanding in general translates well and it's very easy to pick up different regions of the same sector. However, if you're going for a sector specific team often times they will want familiarity / experience in the region they cover and familiarity of the companies in said region. So it doesn't always work out even though theoretically it shouldn't matter. This is due to some funds wanting "instant contributors" so they don't want to wait for you to learn the new region/companies.
 

(I am a VP at a large HF and do tons of interviewing)

  1. I would always say better to be in an investor/analyst seat at a fund than sellside ER. Rightly or wrongly, people who don't take direct risks are always looked at as a bit incomplete in their education. I tend to agree with this thinking, and there is also a reason why buyside guys tend to ignore the opinion of the majority of sellside analysts and use them just for information gathering.

  2. Knowing the name does play a role as it gives credibility, but beyond that its not a case of larger AUM is better. Once you are in the interview room, every interviewer has the mentality that they need to check what is under the hood thoroughly. You don't ever really assume that just because this guy worked at XYZ that he is a certain level. Most likely? Yes, but there are enough that slip through in the data set, and its quite crucial to get each hire right that you have to make your own judgement. HFs arent hiring grad classes of 20+ where a bad hire can hide.

(I realize point 2 sort of contradicts point 1, but thats the power of mental bias sometimes, when I see "equity research" I immediately think "not a risk taker")

  1. I sort of think you know the answer. Sector knowledge is partially useful, not fully. But its always useful to learn about other geographies and have a broad knowledge base. The best investors/traders ive come across are ones that properly look at the world holistically, even if they are a sector guy. Other than that, sort of becomes a "how long is a piece of string" type question.
 
johnwayne7:

Curious what people's thoughts are on the CFA as it relates to buyside recruiting for a multi-manager platform, etc. I am frankly kind of amazed at how much it seems to be disregarded by the HF community. I would argue that what you learn in Level 2, while certainly academic in nature, is as relevant (if not more so) for understanding public markets as 90% of "skills" you learn in jr. sellside roles, either IB or ER.

There will be very differing views from place to place. You're definitely right that long-only shops (especially the big ones) place more weight on the CFA qualification versus most hedge funds, however it's not like HF guys are ignorant of the benefits of having gone through the CFA material. I fall into the camp of people who believe that it's definitely useful for a broader / better understanding of it all, however the return on time invested is another matter. Learning by doing normally still trumps any qualification as long as you're not just going through the motions, but actually learning whilst doing. Which is probably why any relevant experience will always be better than just reading / taking exams. It's nice and all, but it doesn't really teach you accounting in the real world, it doesn't really teach you valuation in the real world - when you actually get down to it, you notice there are way more complications that the CFA can cover and you still have to learn it on the fly by looking it up online / speaking with colleagues etc.

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