Which Hedge Funds pay the best?
On the distressed side, heard Elliott and York guys would rake in 7 figures if good. What about other distressed hedge funds? Tiger cubs?
On the distressed side, heard Elliott and York guys would rake in 7 figures if good. What about other distressed hedge funds? Tiger cubs?
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Don't think York distressed is paying that now...
There's not going to be a consensus here. Everything is performance driven.
Not sure what you mean fairly experienced but distressed HFs don't tend to give a huge amount of credit to people who come in with non-relevant experience. if you meant say you came in from associate 2 RX banking to distressed HF, they usually reflect that in the base salary bump that tends to top out around 200-300 and rest of comp coming in discretionary.
A frame of reference (there's a huge amount of variability and the meritocratic nature of performance can quickly sift top performers outside of these ranges while non-performers or people who can't stomach industry tend to leave or start firm-hopping before they get 3-4 yrs impregnated with the same firm):
The easiest way to think about how they are paying the firm as a whole is just run a a best-estimate P&L of the firm, how much revenue do all their funds bring in per year (probably 1-1.2% blended mgmt on true flagship HF platform after accounting for share class/fee waivers/cuts), how much perf fees are they hitting (could be 20% of ~5-6% avr. 3-yr track records but what i've seen is most LPs starting to institute a min benchmark hurdle on credit side and certainly 6-8% hurdles on drawdown making it not as simple as "1% mgmt + 1.2% perf"...perf fee is much lower than you all simplistically think) and then take a guess at how charitable you think your founder is giving out equity as a comp tool. Good baseline is that 40-60% of GP revenues should flow back to partners (variable depending on lumpiness of perf fees). Operating leverage in asset management business is immense so a well-oiled machine and especially one where founder isn't totally selfish, should be running total expenses in the 40-60% range post bonus payouts. A decent size HF ($10-20bn) will likely be running in the 20-50mm range for non-comp expenses including all the back office, rent/utilities, research/other investment team tools, software/IT/quant stuff, legal/accounting etc.
I think to another poster's point earlier, at really successful equity funds it isn't totally uncommon for that equivalent 4-7th yr sr. analyst to be funneling in a lot more than the 500k-1mm (some getting as as high as partner level $) but as we know, active equities is also a dying field.
this is for the brand-name large distressed/credit focused funds. By definition they are large ($10bn+) and most certainly are running many different funds/strategies by now. I'm not talking $1bn Marble Ridges of the world or even Monarchs.
If I didn't make it clear - this is not just some linear path. Bad performance has plagued the industry thus many years when you expected to grow comp, it may have stalled or was below the prior years and years with fantastic performance the number "made up for last year". The lumpiness is especially true given the industry lumpiness like 2016 / 2018 / 2020 but the trend should generally follow for top performers who end up becoming those very small subset of sr. analysts at these funds by the time they are 30 (as i said...we're talking a handful of these types of roles at this point). Doesn't really apply to 2 and out programs either.
Nope. In most comp discussions on WSO, people focus on the comp that the top 5% single manager seats pay, while 95% of the people in the industry dont have a position anywhere close to that.
Of course I'd love to be a sr analyst or MD at Lone Pine or Viking, but its near impossible to land those spots. It's like you ask me how much the average tennis pro makes and I tell you how much Federer and Nadal make.