Should I invest my mother's retirement funds in ETFs or trade derivatives and crypto with it?

I'm a believer of the EMH and I don't think you can beat the market through value or growth investing unless you get really lucky or get tips.

I watched some crypto/derivatives/penny stock traders on YouTube (see Tim Sykes) and I believe if I can just get a couple of good trades and get 15% return a year I'll be good, instead of buying and holding.

What do you guys think?

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Apr 3, 2018

I think you should leave that poor lady alone and please don't fuck around with her money.

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Apr 3, 2018

Great strategy if your end goal is to sever all ties with your mother.

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Apr 3, 2018

50% s&p 500 40% fixed-income and 10% cash

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Apr 3, 2018
pickingupthepieces:

I'm a believer of the EMH and I don't think you can beat the market through value or growth investing unless you get really lucky or get tips.

Yale & most institutional investors beg to differ.

pickingupthepieces:

I watched some crypto/derivatives/penny stock traders on YouTube (see Tim Sykes) and I believe if I can just get a couple of good trades and get 15% return a year I'll be good, instead of buying and holding.

I watched a youtube about surgery, think I could repair your ACL?

100% do not invest your mom's retirement in crypto/derivatives/penny stocks

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Apr 3, 2018
StaphyBone:
pickingupthepieces:

I'm a believer of the EMH and I don't think you can beat the market through value or growth investing unless you get really lucky or get tips.

Yale & most institutional investors beg to differ.

pickingupthepieces:

I watched some crypto/derivatives/penny stock traders on YouTube (see Tim Sykes) and I believe if I can just get a couple of good trades and get 15% return a year I'll be good, instead of buying and holding.

I watched a youtube about surgery, think I could repair your ACL?

100% do not invest your mom's retirement in crypto/derivatives/penny stocks

Most institutional investors also can't beat the market, and professors are academics mind you. That said EMH is 100% BS

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Apr 3, 2018

lol. please elaborate

Apr 5, 2018

"Yale and most institutional investors beg to differ."

Translation: It's very, very hard to make the NBA.

@StaphyBone : Michael Jordan and most D1 college players beg to differ.

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Apr 3, 2018

General rule of thumb: If anyone is marketing a service that teaches you to trade or provides trade ideas (especially small caps), run as fast as you can. I'm with @hungy23 - not worth the personal risk unless you have experience managing real funds, dealing with positions under pressure, etc. Wait for a material market pullback, buy some large cap bellwethers on a discount and call it good. (Not investment advice, just an idea).

Apr 3, 2018

You believe in EMH (semi-strong, btw), and you also believe that a 15% return is out there for the taking if you can make "a couple of good trades."

I think you don't understand the implication of your first statement.

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Apr 3, 2018

Believes in EMH, but thinks he can beat the market without outsized risk by using what he picked up on one of the world's most trafficked public forums.

Apr 3, 2018

the market is 10% off the highs (right now trading 2585)...2200 on the S&P 500 would be the equiv of the bottom after the 1987 crash (feels like a long way from here). I would suggest waiting until we get to 2200 (or something close...maybe 2300) and then just put 50% into the SPY ETF, and 50% into a basket of high dividend paying stocks & REITs (BKCC, WPC, WPG, etc... ).

just google it...you're welcome

Apr 3, 2018

I suppose sitting on the sidelines waiting to time the market and only buy after yet another 10% dip is, in fact, less awful advice than OP's original strategy. But it's still pretty awful.

Apr 5, 2018

Market really has about 3 weeks to trade those levels.

Stocks are in a dangerous time period as buybacks dry up pre earning season blackout periods.

Most market bottoms have occurred around the time of when the banks release earnings. After that you get a bump in corporations return cash to shareholders that supports the market.

2200 sounds like an overnight flash crash. Doubtful we can do that intraday. 2440 or so was the North Korea lows that were well bought. My guess is that is as low as we can go. Though we've about quadrupled bottomed around 2550 so my guess is the lows are in.

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Apr 5, 2018

Shut up mom. I watched a few Tim Sykes videos. We're chill.

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Apr 5, 2018

After tax you are talking 10% return. Just buy the index then. And if you are trading those prOducts you are really looking for 50% returns to justify the higher risks

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Apr 5, 2018

good troll. i laughed.

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Apr 5, 2018

How is this actually a thread. I really hope OP is trolling.

Apr 5, 2018

Sykes is a clown. Anyone who really gets how to make money on any sort of security will make a lot more money keeping it to themselves. Lose your own money, not your poor mother's.

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Apr 5, 2018

Definitely put all of your mom's retirement into crypto

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Apr 5, 2018

Your first bet on a lot of online sportsbooks is transaction cost-free (sometimes you even get a deposit bonus), I'd just spread it all around across different sites.

I saw the first half of a 30 for 30 on Jimmy the Greek, it worked out really well for him.

I come from down in the Valley, where Mr. when you're young, they bring you up to do like your daddy done.

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Apr 9, 2018

Ah yes, the time tested strategy of trading cryptos and penny stocks based on YouTube generated ideas. What could go wrong?

Apr 9, 2018

This is very nice strategy..!!

Apr 17, 2018

lol

Apr 12, 2018

I think that it would be too risky to trade crypto and derivatives unless you are a professional.

Much better to open an etrade and buy random Emerging Market stocks. That way, you know that you are buying and holding. Don't be a sucker for those snakes that want to charge you a .0002% fee to manage an ETF. That is YOUR money goddamn it (after your mom dies) Don't just go giving it away to people who think just because they specialize in something and spend all their time paying attention to it, that you should pay them what amounts to a penny a week. I mean seriously! Just think about all the money you could have saved in a year!

Apr 12, 2018
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Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.

Feb 27, 2019