We have a lot of Game of Thrones fans on WSO (well, at least until last Sunday's episode), so I know you guys will appreciate some of the hilarious reactions to the Red Wedding that Mashable was good enough to compile. First, let's start with the angriest reactions. There is no doubt that George R.R. Martin is the most hated man in the seven kingdoms this week:
i am 5000% done with game of thrones oh my god watching this series was the worst decision of my life
Dear @GameOfThrones, f**k you. Give me a new reason to live. You owe it to me, considering my 3 year dedication. Note to self: Cancel #HBO
And they go on from there. Even better in some respects, however, are the funniest reactions to the Red Wedding:
Game of thrones drinking game: Drink until it doesn’t hurt any more.
Game of Thrones makes The Walking Dead look like Sesame Street.
it’s too bad ‘entourage’ didn’t end like that #GoT
To be fair, it was pretty shocking, and I've read the books so I knew it was coming. Frankly, I thought they were dragging it out a bit over the past couple episodes, but damn, even if you knew what was about to happen, it was still pretty disturbing.
I'm thinking people haven't had a (mostly negative) reaction to a single episode of a television series since the final episode of The Sopranos (thanks again, HBO!).
Anyway, I'd love to hear what you guys thought about it, especially the guys who didn't know it was coming. Was your reaction anything like this?
(brace yourself) I have never watched 1 episode in the series. To have reactions like that over a TV show is beyond me. I hope people find out there is more to life than a TV show.
People get upset since the Starks have been screwed over so many times by the Lannisters. This scene was insane. It should be interesting to see what happens going forward.
It was fun seeing all my non-book reader friends watch the episode. I agree with you, even having read the books, it still left my shocked by how much gore. I was tense the entire episode waiting, just waiting for it to happen.
I don't think I'm ever going to re-watch that episode. I'm really hoping the other starks don't die....well idc about Sansa. Martin's going to have a "bittersweet" ending. smh...
Having never read the books, I was both shocked and excited that this happened. You could sort of tell something was up with the guards running in and whatnot, but for it to have been such a brutal slaughter that it was was just ... mmm. I think alot of people in my position were rooting for the Starks since they've had so much go wrong for them. Now there's a gapping hole of, "okay, who are we suppose to root for now?" sort of feeling.
With one more episode left in the season, they better have something fantastic waiting to top that.
I haven't read the book, and it came as a schok to me. (But not close to that in the video above lol) I guess it is because I expected something good to happen to Starks finally. They are like a series of unfortunate events. But I'm really eager to find out how the stories develops, especially around Daenerys.
Girlfriend has read the books, and all she keeps saying is just wait that was nothing, apparently it just gets a thousand times worse. I personally thought it was pretty awesome.
In some ways the Red Wedding was a mistake for Martin. The Red Wedding was the last chapter that Martin wrote in the third book and ever since he has done that the series has become bogged down with too much back-history and wandering plot lines. We'll see what happens in the 6th book, but right now it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to say that Martin killed his Albatross with that one scene.
I liked how the producers did it, however I think that it would have been important to show that most of the northeners in that room were actually northern lords and part of his "inner circle"---which will come into play later. I miss Umber from the first season (huge guy who started King in the North chant) his son was killed in that room, but he was captured. Also, it would have been nice if Rains of Castamere was a little longer/they had shown that that was the Lannister song and the attack signal.
There are only two things that are keeping me invested in this series, #1 Lord Manderly from the 5th book, #2 the original title of the 7th book was called 'A Time for Wolves'.
I don't think that the 7th book could have been called "A Time for Wolves" if that scene didn't take place or some similar occurrence. GRRM often brings the characters to their lowest points before raising them back up. I've got high hopes for the Stark's that are still alive at the end of the 5th book.
Bring on the unicorn-riding cannibal army!
That title gives me hope! ....but Game of thrones rule #1: If there's hope, it will be squashed.
Martin himself said it in an interview...so fellow monkeys don't hope, don't hope
I agree completely. Martin needs to get on track quickly in book 6.
"'Foes and false friends are all around me, Lord Davos. They infest my city like roaches, and at night I feel them crawling over me.'
The fat man’s fingers coiled into a fist, and all his chins trembled.
'My son Wendel came to the Twins a guest. He ate Lord Walder’s bread and salt, and hung his sword upon the wall to feast with his friends. And they murdered him. Murdered, I say, and may the Freys choke upon their fables. I drink with Jared, jape with Symond, promise Rhaegar the hand of my own beloved granddaughter…but never think that means I have forgotten. The north remembers, Lord Davos. The north remembers, and the mummer’s farce is almost done. My son is home.'"
Legit fuckin chills when I read this part. Can't wait until the eventual Frey/Bolton beatdown.
Also, "Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived he would have grown up to be a Frey" made me laugh.
And don't forget the Frey Pies.
His daughter also had a great speech that actually brought tears to my eyes when I read it.
For so long, we thought that the north had be splintered and largely forgotten. To finally see true honor and loyalty was such a relief.
Gotta love a dude who feasts on his enemies
I hate to sound like a girl but I was pretty disgusted. Kids watch the show and to have to sit through a pregnant Gil being repeatedly stabbed in the stomach was just unnecessary. That said, I'll probably carry on watching.
Say wut?
Any kids allowed to watch that show belong with Child Protective Services. I'm all for benign neglect, but c'mon.
But joffrey pinning a hooker to a bed with crossbow bolts was fine ?
Lol. Think of the children! This show has been 3 years of full frontal nudity, incest, rape, and graphic violence. It is most definitely not a kid's show.
never watched it..never had an interest to watch it
but based on the reaction from the ginger at :41 i may have to start
Rob will always be the king in the north!
Isn't one of the theories in GOT that one of the Starks is Azor Ahai.
Aren't the books supposed to center around John Snow and how he is really a Baratheon and Ned just took him as his bastard to save face for Richard??
Can't tell if you are trolling. If not, I think you have your House wrong, assuming you are thinking of arguably the most spoken about theory out there.
Jon Snow
I haven't read the books but talking with a bunch of friends who have this doesn't really seem to be the case but it is a theory
Note: If you haven't read the books you may want to stop reading this post now.
Granted I haven't dug into this in awhile, but if I remember correctly, you have the theory a bit off. There is a lot of evidence that Jon is Azor Ahai (Mellisandre saw "Snow" when she was looking for Azor Ahai in the fires, also Azor Ahai I think is supposed to be linked with fire and ice).
Now to address the second theory (which kind of goes with the first), many people believe Jon Snow is actually the son of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen. Lyanna was supposed to marry Robert but fell in love with Rhaegar instead and they ran off together (which is what started Robert's rebellion). Many believe Lyanna gave birth to Jon and asked for Ned to protect her child - so he claimed Jon was his bastard son (Robert would have most certainly killed the baby otherwise). This is supported by the fact that Ned finds Lyanna away from kingslanding protected by 3 kingsguard (who could be protecting a royal heir), and that Ned made an unknown promise to her before she died.
I honestly can't say that scene shocked me, because I have come to expect the unexpected (haven't read the books). It does suck a little bit to get invested in characters and have them killed off when you least expect it, but that's why GoT is so revolutionary.
Eddie,
I thought this was a masterful stroke of Television Genius. Between the directors and the writers of the episode, they did a hell of a job putting one of the hardest chapters in Game of Thrones to the screen. It really was not an easy thing to watch, and I have to give them alot of credit for doing it. Barring some minor points, they took Caitlyn's POV chapter and really give it one of the best TV treatments I have seen. I had to watch the episode 2-3 times because there were things that I didn't catch in at first watch which added to the entire complexity of the final moments. From Walder Frey (Harry Potter's Argus Fitch) being very subtle, creepy and nuanced about his daughters and forgetting their names when demanding Robb apologize to the brief flash of Roose Bolton's chain mail under his sleeve as Caitlyn pulled it up to the final moments where Michelle Fairley should be nominated for an Emmy for that performance she gave, it was the small little touches and flourishes that made the Red Wedding so powerful. I hope in the next episode they address two lingering points I had - the first being Grey Wind's head being sown onto Robb's body and the second being now that the Red Wedding happened, what was custom (the Guest's Right) now being destroyed by deceit and treachery. I was going to include some bit of future spoilers, but I suppose I'll hold off seeing how everyone is up in arms over this still...
Oh, and I wish I could find it again, but GRRM came out and said that when the book was first published, he got letters from fans who said they would no longer continue to read the books and boycott his work and then a number of those same fans wrote him soon after saying that they were sorry both because it was a reaction to the Red Wedding and because they wanted to find out more.
Gekko,
Now you want to make me tell the Frey's retelling of the Red Wedding...
This.
i dont understand how the king of the north lets the janitor from harry potter run his shit like that...
Bob, maybe... maybe not. Azor Ahai could be Jon Snow. It could also be Stannis, Daenerys or Victorian Greyjoy. There is even the possibility that Azor Ahai could be Rheagar Targaryen. So many possibilities!
Yeah exactly. So many different theories and ways for the story to go
Not just that, there are a ton of theories left to be solved - such as who is the Prince that was Promised, who is the Three-Eyed Crow and of course the words of Quaite, just to name a few.
Unrelated, but I thought of you when I read this, Edmundo: http://news.france.com/news/french-minister-amazon-destroys-bookshops
Fucking dopes. They rolled out the red carpet for AMZN like no other foreign company in French history. Then they get pissed when AMZN finds a loophole to exploit and drive independents out of business. Fuck 'em. It's time the French learned about competition. Not everybody gets to win. And the rest of the fucking world does it better than they do.
I loved it. This is one of the few shows that tells it like it is, dirty politics backstabbing and all. The sheeple with their heads buried in the sand want another prince charming defeats evil king story or something.
But then again, I'm the only person I know whose favorite character is Petyr Baelish. Smart, cunning, ruthless and hungry. What's not to like...
I take it the bald eunuch is your second fav? You know, the conniving Charlie Runkle guy?
He rose up from absolute poverty, had his balls cut off and still commands fear among many. He's got my respect.
But my 2nd fav is Tyrion.
Nope. Littlefinger is also my favorite character; a man who rose up from nothing. He's been slightly pussified in the show, but when I was reading and he showed up on the bow of the ship and you find out that he is secretly responsible for the entire series...total badass.
Tywin Lannister has to be a close second. He is good in the books, but Charles Dance has really made the character greater than the sum of its parts. Those Arya and Tywin scenes from season 2 were epic..if only they had been in the books.
Varys is cool as well, but he picked his side long ago and I can't stand Dany
@krauser I'm more of a Tyrion fan myself, but there's a lot to like about Littlefinger.
Gekko,
My money is on both Littlefinger and Varys dying by the end of the last book.
Eddie,
I'm with you on Tyrion being an excellent character. Plus, he's really well cast on the show - Peter Dinklage is just a fantastic actor.
Hey, Frieds, your money was right.
Jesus, it's been so long since It thought about that call, but yeah Littlefinger's death was easy to spot a mile away. He was too smart for his own good and couldn't see it coming. Varys, however, was a tough one for me, because he was the only one who was extremely clear about his motives from day 1. I wish the last two seasons were longer in order to flesh them out more and give his death more weight behind it. Thanks for bringing that call back up from the bowls of WSO's history man.
People always said I was an idiot for never having watched Shame of Thrones...who's laughing now?
Answer: me
I'm with you Eddie, big Tyrion guy myself. I haven't read the books, which might explain my perceptions of Littlefinger and Varys being relatively low, but I'm going to southern Spain for a couple weeks and I might do some catching up. In any regard, there are but there are a few things that seem inevitable to me--at least I personally need them to happen:
-Joffrey's death. Pretty much confirmed that this is going to happen when Stannis dropped those leaches into the fire (Rob already went, Greyjoy was also mentioned). I think/hope it will happen next Sunday--the past few episodes have portrayed him in even worse fashion than usual, and he doesn't have a fiber of respect left amongst the Lannisters. Definitely time for that little varmint to go.
-Aria kills the Hound--specifically, by putting a knife through his eye and out the back of his head. Not sure when, but there's too much focus on their dynamic for nothing to happen there.
-John Snow. Like HFF/others have mentioned above, I think his background is foggy enough to the point where the author can pull a JK Rowling and mold his background into whatever happens to satisfy some cathartic conclusion near the story's end (he's a Baratheon and potential heir to the throne, etc). Having been the "bastard" his whole life, he's got a mean chip on his shoulder and I absolutely love it. He seems more relevant to me in the grand scheme of things than did Rob because his whole story has been an underdog-type one; were he to be killed off in similar fashion, it would do nothing for the plot aside from making one wonder why so much time had been wasted on him traveling with the King beyond the Wall. Also, his red-headed wildling damsel is definitely going to die on Sunday.
-Tyrion's redemption. I'm not even really sure what I mean by this--I just feel that the direction the plot is headed, his differences with Tywin, Joffrey, and Cersei are going to overwhelm the established order of things. In spite of his affinity for booze and fast women, the producers seem keen on juxtaposing his conscientious (albeit it cunning and manipulative) disposition with that of his flatout awful sister. Even after being wounded on the battlefield and assuming control of the Coin, his father regards him as nothing more than a petulant imp. That he feels truly bad for Sanza shows that he has some semblance of humanity, and I think the two of them will ultimately fall for one another. I've learned I can't predict this show for shit, but something pivotal will happen with his character soon--whether it's good or bad, I'm not sure.
-Also, is fat Sam going to smash the lady with the baby...???
You are pretty spot on with a lot of these, only your time table is wrong. Most of these things will happen next season. Look for a major death in the first 4 episodes of season 4 along with another key death episode 9 of season 4. I'm not sure what is going to happen next episode, but I have a feeling it is going to be a relatively slow/finisher up finale (similar to season 1 after Ned died in episode 9)
Who wants to bet that Lady Stoneheart is the last image of the season?
Both literally and figuratively, methinks.
Gekko,
You beat me to it on the Lady Stoneheart comment. I please pray they cast Michelle Fairley in that role.
Also, from a storytelling perspective, I think these deaths make a lot of sense. Though we're led to root for the Starks' revenge for Ned's death, Robb and Catelyn's plot lines have dried up considerably this season. Catelyn has been largely static since Robb placed her in timeout, and Robb has been meandering purposelessly since the middle of Season 2. I was growing tired of his subplot, and any conclusion inevitably had to end with his death or victory.
The Starks are the most noble characters in the books. I think their death is shocking you never expect the good people to die. Though I think the fact that Ned Stark's compassion doomed his entire family. Good lessons for all monkeys in Wall Street.
HUGE fan of this show, and also currently reading the books now (almost up to this part in book 3). I've got to agree with @NorthSider. So far, it seems like most of the major plot lines feature some sort of major event where a main character dies off (read: Ned Stark's death when investigating Joffery's legitimacy, Khal Drogo & Daenerys). And to be honest, the Stark v. Lanister plot line was beginning to bore me. The only Starks I really like are Jon and Arya, and their adventures/development are far more intriguing. Arya, in particular, I think is going to be a ground-shaker of sorts. As someone mentioned earlier, I also think Joffery will die soon, which I will happily invite. Hate that little shit. While this episode was definitely shocking, I still liked it and will continue to happily watch the show, simply because there are still SO many subplots, which could develop and become very intriguing.
"The North Remembers" definitely my favorite moment of the series. Also: (since this post is beyond spoilers)
“She narrowed her eyes. “What is our heart’s desire?” “Vengeance.” His voice was soft, as if he were afraid that someone might be listening. “Justice.” Prince Doran pressed the onyx dragon into her palm with his swollen, gouty fingers, and whispered, “Fire and blood.”
And:
“Edd, fetch me a block,”
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ITS JON SNOW NOT JOHN.
Also, people should read the books.
Lastly, this is probably the most intense episode in TV history. Breaking Bad Season 4, Episode 7: “Salud” and Season 4, Episode 13: “Face Off” came really, really close for me. Great build up + no music at the end. wow.
Not sure if non-book readers know but Robb's wife did not attend the wedding, and was spared from it obviously. There was a theory about her being a spy. I liked this version better though because I didn't really care much for her character. Robb, on the other hand... :(
That's what I thought I remembered from the books, but it's been so long since I read that one. I didn't think she was there in the book. Why would Robb bring the cause of the insult to the wedding and just make things worse?
I really liked that theory on her being a spy. I guess it was something a bit complicated to bring to the screen so they left it out and replaced his wifes character with that Talisa chic
Wasn't she basically non-existent and also not even pregnant in the books?
When he first met her I thought she was a spy and there was going to be some twist with that...guess not
Does anyone knows whether Theon Greyjoy has an important role in the following seasons?
He does. He has a very important role in the coming seasons and books.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/06/02/game-of-thrones-author-george-r-r-mar…
Great interview with George RR Martin
That definitely is a great interview... I think that was were I found the reference about the fans loving and hating him I made earlier.
The last time I reacted the same way to a TV show, was when Tony killed off Christopher in The Sopranos...I didn't have the chance to see the episode when it aired on Sunday, but saw the social media reaction from those that did, and was still shocked by what happened despite expecting something big.
Rooting for GoT smokeshow, Daenerys Targaryen going forward.
Im on the 5th book and the more I read the more I feel that Martin will die before he can finish it. I feel he is introducing too many characters, problems, dilemmas - too late in the story. At this pace - I don't see how he can finish by the 7th book.. I just would hate to have a rushed ending considering the story is pretty great so far.
This thread definitely needs to be tagged with "[SPOILER ALERT]".
Why is everyone so shocked by this Red Wedding stuff?
The series is very much in the spirit of 100 Years War, so this is what Europe actually used to be like 600-700 years ago. There are real-world precedents of similar things in England at that time.
Secondly, I do not think the Freys deserve all the hate they get because: 1. Robb Stark betrayed his promise to them. His wife could have been queen if he won the war, and him having defaulted on his promise to Walder Frey effectively killed the Freys' hope of ascending to the throne. A very big insult by any measure. 2. Robb Stark is of no use to the Freys at the time of his arrival - his war effort was waning and allying with him would only get the Freys destroyed in the longer term. 3. Fighting it out fairly would come at a great cost to the Frey army - why lose thousands of your own men when you have the opportunity to kill them with no loss to own men. 4. Robb should really have seen it coming. If I recall correctly it is Roose Bolton's son who tortures Theon and Lord Bolton himself would have been renowned for his cruelty. So given the struggle for power it is not unreasonable to expect something brutal from such a man. Another area where Robb really f*ked up was his quarrel with Karstarks - lost half his already not-so-huge army. Yet another place I do not get is why Robb could not just marry a Frey girl and have the girl of his choosing as his girlfriend - it was perfectly normal for a king to have a large number of girlsfriends besides the official wife.
Fair enough, it is all very immoral what the Freys and Boltons did, but I can definitely see how their logic works and their justification for the Red Wedding makes logical sense. Many innocent northerners were killed, but the weight of this lies entirely upon Robb Stark - completely irresponsible behaviour from his side in the way he treated the Karstarks and married his wife.
In short, Robb Stark simply put his own lust/pride before the lives of the men he had to lead, which led to this disaster.
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