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Oh, dont worry we will be moving to a European jail system pretty soon.
Have you seen those prisons? They are nicer then some hotels.
Check out Norway's prisons. So Chic.
That crazy guy that shot all those kids will probably only get 21 years in prison. I was also reading an article on CNN where a guy murdered 3 people in Norway and he only got 6 years. They are just so progressive though.
Here you go:
http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-inside-norway-luxuri…
We should simple force prisoners to work more. That or remove citizenship for serious crimes.
The US has so many far off islands we could build a massive prison colony ala Australia. You could probably get around the human rights issues by being off US soil ala GITMO.
What is probably going to happen is private companies will take over all prisons an you will see things change a lot. I cannot wait.
I feel like prisons should absolutely NOT be owned and operated by private companies. I don't really see the upside.
Upside is it should cost less for the state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison#Cost.2FBenefit_analysis
This is contentious I suppose so my support of private prisons is not absolute. I simply think prisoners should be worked more and we should separate violent from non violent offenders. Violent offenders need "special" treatment.
What a problem this is. These people will never be contributing members to society, but yet we have to pay for them. We should probably adopt an ASPCA model of things in dealing with them.
My issue, though, is that for-profit prison companies will seek growth. And, what avenue is there for prison growth other than increasing the amount of prisoners? I don't like where that leads at all.
I'm fine with separating violent from non-violent types. Though, I don't have much of a view on how hard prisoners should be worked. I imagine being in prison for a long time would be awful enough as it is. That said, I really don't have strong views on this other than being against private company operated prisons.
you can't wait for people to be shipped off to islands where human rights violations aren't an issue??. you, sir, are quite the character.
if these guys are smoking weed and using smart phones, they aren't doing it with taxpayer dollars. the presense of contraband in prisons is a prison security issue... nothing more. as for the food hoarding... prisoners get 3 square meals a day and probably some snacks which is not unreasonable. if some prisoners choose to hoard their food rather than eat it right away... who gives a shit?
1) Human rights are those given by a government
2) While I am not supporting all out sadism, I think the bleeding heart protection of prisoner rights is comical in this country. Those that violate others have little to stand on when crying about their rights.
3 murders and got 6 years? That's still more than here in Quebec, where pedophiles get 2 years and are out at 1/6 of the sentence.
they get free dorritos in prison?? totally worth the anal rape.
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083,00.html
IB ---> MBA ----> Norwegian prison.
anyone who gets a full life or death sentence should just be shot immidiately after the trial. offer to make a mcdonalds run for them, give them 30 minutes to eat, then have them taken out back and executed. 50 cents for the cartridge to kill them instead of rotting in jail on taxpayer money forever.
I think TNA is trolling us here. In his efforts to make us more libertarian and constitutional, he is subverting constitutional protections that were specifically intended for the ordinary criminal justice system.
I have a better idea.
Let's make it illegal to advocate against the Bill of Rights and punish it by banishment from the country. We DO have a population problem, and we can reduce the population by about 10% by eliminating folks who would sacrifice civil liberties for economic liberty. Incidentally, we'd also take a lot of the anger out of politics.
Don't like the constitution? FINE. They don't have one in Zimbabwe.
No one is forcing them to accept anything. If they're not happy with their current situation, then they can adopt capitalism with a strong judicial system to support it. If not, then it is what it is.
If you don't like the constitution and civil liberties, FINE. LEAVE for a country that doesn't have any.
Civil liberties are a prerequisite for wealth.
If people like Sergei P. Korolev, the father of the Soviet Space Program, were deemed to be fit enough to be thrown in shitty gulags, then the animals in this video should simply be executed. That or forced work to benefit society.
I mean, we all know that they won't bring shit to humanity (au contraire). They'll only waist our scarce ressources.
2 fun facts:
It costs the state of California $44,000/year for each inamate.
The US has less than 5% of the world's population, and more than 20% of its prisoners.
The US has a lot of shitty people dude. That and we lock up people for dumb shit I will agree. Even if we legalized drugs you would still see a ton of people in jail.
Also, the people in jail for drugs tend to be the sellers not the users. I really have jack empathy for some kid selling weed and going to jail. Yeah, should be legal, sure, but plenty of people make a living without selling drugs.
You take the risks you pay the price.
Abdel, bro, I am liking you more and more every day.
C'est réciproque mon ami ;)
Sidenote I bring up whenever someone talks about prison.
I find it laughable that the 'war on drugs' is designed to keep drugs out of the US when we can't even keep them out of maximum security prisons.
See, my assertion is that the war on drugs is simply the war on the inner city. Just like voter ID laws.
Change the name, but the end goal is the same. White kids from Yale aren't getting jail time for drugs.
I have not violated the law, therefore I do not warrant removal. Furthermore, I never said another country, I said a US territory or possession where the law would be a grey zone. I also delineate between non violent and violent felons. If you deny someone of their human rights yours are on contentious grounds. We already allow the state to deny a human being of their life and liberty in response to their denying another of their life, I do not see the difference for other offenses such as rape, child molestation, gang activity, etc.
Maybe something that accomplishes your ends much better is handing down the death penalty for murder more often and having a more efficient appeals process.
Also, we either have liberty or we don't. The current state of affairs is some quasi liberty in name only. I am simply taking things to their logical extreme. One cannot have a nanny state or allow the government to subvert basic freedoms without someone else taking the next step or following things to their logical end.
Every day we are fine with our civil liberties and "human rights" being denied, yet the outcry comes when prisoners, who deny others their rights, have theirs denied.
The concept of human rights is also funny. It is either given by a higher authority and universal to all or it is given by the state and can be changed at will. Since I consider the US to be a secular and increasingly non religious/agnostic nation then one must assume human rights are those give by the state.
How the prisoners are treated is none of my concern, just don't want them out in society. They need to work on a cost + model though, prisoners should have to provide more value than they cost society by either working to create goods or living a shitty life in jail.
That, we can agree on.
Agree. I am not necessarily supporting punishment in the sense of cruelty, simply they should be a zero cost to the tax payer.
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If anything, this is the best solution. Train them to provide services that pay for their cost and this in turn will provide them with a beneficial skill for their release.
I look at 3 tiers of prison.
1) Non violent - do something with them, fine, work, something, but no jail
2) Violent, but not very serious - rehab, labor camps, work training
3) Non redeamable - rapists, molesters, murderers, liberals
Does he realize he just made it impossible to get this shit in the future? His homies are probably gonna kill him after this since they will no longer be able to smuggle in that KoolAid.
Canada and US need to take a page out of the Ruskies book. This is how a prison should be run
[quote=Grindhouse]Canada and US need to take a page out of the Ruskies book. This is how a prison should be run
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That's still too soft.
[quote=Grindhouse]Canada and US need to take a page out of the Ruskies book. This is how a prison should be run
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I like the bent over position and blindfold deal. Prisoners here get to act like alpha dogs with their upright posture and eye contact. Can't have a murderer alpha-dogging prison guards.
Russia and the Middle East know what is up. Why we did away with public lashings and the stockades is beyond me also.
They are such good advocates of human rights and freedom.
Hahahaha... there is no way in hell that Breivik will serve time in Halden prison. He is held at a maximum security prison that used to be a concentration camp back in WW2. Even if the maximum is 21 years, he will be held in prison for ever as he poses no direct threat to society when that time comes. But society poses a threat to him.
Jesus, guys. Get your facts straight.
Annnyyywayyyyy.
Back to the conversation on prisoners and their cost. I find it funny how I am labeled the fascist when you are advocating 100% taxation on wealth because you think it is unneeded to be happy.
All I am advocating is stiffer penalties or paying your way for people who violate others civil liberties.
Look at the 6 months chart of Corrections Corp Of America (NYSE:CXW)
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:CXW
Decriminalize drugs. No one wants to keep that shit going except the executive branch. Central and South American leaders are begging us to stop it. If you look at the demographics the only people who really support the drug war are the Christian Fundies - big surprise.
Even some of the fundies support legalization like Pat Robertson, they condemn drug use, but came to the shocking realization, that drug addicts are people with a disease, not criminals. More people support legalizing weed than do the death penalty. Drug use is awful, however locking away people just makes the cartels rich and spills blood.
This dude is fucking retarded. Way to advertise your illegal activities to the world
back when Swag was in the pin i ran it. how? respek, plane & simple. first day locked up i shank murda some bish-ass guard 2 strike fear in everyones mines. nobody mess with Swag after that
wonder if they have cockroaches in jails too
yeah, i'm sure all the lime jello and cable TV they enjoy in prison makes getting raped regularly worthwhile.
So you're in prison, and you're doing illegal things in jail so you post it on the net?
I can barely understand them.
Better than some dorm rooms...
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