10/2/11

I've never owned a nice suit, ever. The nicest I've ever owned is a black Banana Republic one I found on sale a few years ago. I'm starting a new gig soon so I want to have at least 2 nice suits. Last night I took a trip to Brooks Brothers outlets outside of Philly and was able to buy 1 charcoalish (more of a dark grey) and one navy blue with light stripe accents for about $465 (buy 2 for $579-15% if you start a card with them).

Today when I tried em on again I didn't quite like em so I took a quick trip to the mall to return them but store was close to me closed down. I saw a Hugo Boss at the mall and decided to check it out. One of sales guy showed me a couple of his suits and I fell in love. Dark grey suit and the jacket and pants fit me like they were designed specifically for me, price tag read $995 or $955. I've never had a suit fit me and one that looked that good on me before but I remembered how HB has a bad rep on WSO so I told the guy I would be back in Tuesday to pick em up.

Now I am not that insecure that I need a forum to tell me what to wear but it's safe to say I don't know much about how to dress professionally and I'm hoping a few more educated members could point me in the right direction. The suit was slightly flashy but not so over the top that i looked like I was working at some hip marketing firm (Mad Men). I want to stand out from the rest of my coworkers but I don't want to pretend I'm a VP and end up looking like a dbag.

So anyways I'm just wondering if dropping $1000 on a HB suit is worth it, I'm sort of in a hurry too since my job starts soon and I don't have anything to wear. I'll be headed to BOYDS in Philly tomorrow as well just to see what they have to offer but I know they will be even more expensive.

Also, I placed an order for these Allen Edmonds today and was wondering if anyone could comment:
http://www.endless.com/dp/B001TDKY62?ie=UTF8&ie=UTF8

THANKS!

Comments (99)

2/12/11

I'd be surprised to hear otherwise, but Hugo Boss suits are hardly expensive to say the least (800-1100). I had two Hugo suits when I was in 10th grade so I'd hope working bankers dress a little better than that. I think it's a solid choice for someone starting out; their Modern Slim fit 2 buttons have just about the best fit you can get without prada/canali level prices.

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10/2/11

its an upgrade from banana republic for sure, but you can definitely do much better at that price point from a quality of construction/tailoring/etc perspective

if you like it though, go for it.

  • Anonymous Monkey
  •  6/20/16

did you just say $1k for a suit is "hardly expensive" and how you had "two of them in 10th grade"

What a stuck up douchebag.

2/12/11

Little too flashy. If you want a relatively high-end designer label, something at the level of Abboud, Tasso-Elba, Hart-Marx, or maybe Brooks Brothers might be a little more appropriate for analysts.

Don't go past $400. There's really no need to go past $180 in the first place for analysts, but don't buy a suit that obviously cost more than $400.

10/2/11

Don't wear it. If you looking to go cheap, at least grab something from Jos A Bank

2/12/11
IlliniProgrammer:

Little too flashy. If you want a relatively high-end designer label, something at the level of Abboud, Tasso-Elba, Hart-Marx, or maybe Brooks Brothers might be a little more appropriate for analysts.

Don't go past $400. There's really no need to go past $180 in the first place for analysts, but don't buy a suit that obviously cost more than $400.

$400 Dollars? You're joking right? Is this an American thing I should know about before my SA stint? Noone seems to care hear if you wear nice suits and nice watches if it's clear that's just who you are and you're not trying to be a flashy douchebag.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

2/12/11
Independent Gestion:

$400 Dollars? You're joking right? Is this an American thing I should know about before my SA stint? Noone seems to care hear if you wear nice suits and nice watches if it's clear that's just who you are and you're not trying to be a flashy douchebag.

$400 factors in discounts and sale price. Abboud and Pronto-Uomo typically retail for $700, but if you wait for a sale or buy from the Men's Wearhouse, they go for $350-$400.

Stafford from JCP also claims to retail for $700, but in reality, you'll never pay more than $200 for it.

2/12/11
IlliniProgrammer:
Independent Gestion:

$400 Dollars? You're joking right? Is this an American thing I should know about before my SA stint? Noone seems to care hear if you wear nice suits and nice watches if it's clear that's just who you are and you're not trying to be a flashy douchebag.

$400 factors in discounts and sale price. Abboud and Pronto-Uomo typically retail for $700, but if you wait for a sale or buy from the Men's Wearhouse, they go for $350-$400.

Ya I think i'll stick with what I have. I think it more has to do with sticking with your background and not trying to pretend to be someone you're not. And obviously no winchester shirts.

But just to clarify, since the culture is clearly different south of the border, I won't be ostracized if I wear an understated Armani/Canali 2-piece (with monochrome shirt/tie) and a gold eco-drive?

*Not trying to be a dick like that stupid "Rich Kid Dilemma" forum, I honestly want to know...

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2/12/11
Independent Gestion:
IlliniProgrammer:
Independent Gestion:

$400 Dollars? You're joking right? Is this an American thing I should know about before my SA stint? Noone seems to care hear if you wear nice suits and nice watches if it's clear that's just who you are and you're not trying to be a flashy douchebag.

$400 factors in discounts and sale price. Abboud and Pronto-Uomo typically retail for $700, but if you wait for a sale or buy from the Men's Wearhouse, they go for $350-$400.

Ya I think i'll stick with what I have. I think it more has to do with sticking with your background and not trying to pretend to be someone you're not. And obviously no winchester shirts.

But just to clarify, since the culture is clearly different south of the border, I won't be ostracized if I wear an understated Armani/Canali 2-piece (with monochrome shirt/tie) and a gold eco-drive?

*Not trying to be a dick like that stupid "Rich Kid Dilemma" forum, I honestly want to know...

You just want to avoid looking like the rich kid that daddy spoils. Better to stay under the radar and let you work do the talking. As an analyst, I would stick between 400-800 for a suit. You can pick up abbud, boss, victor and many others in that rage at an outlet store, nordstrams/off 5th.

The gold watch is a little much and somewhat douchebag-ish. An expensive watch is fine, which a citizen isnt, but keep it subtle Mr. T. Rather go with something classy with a leather band or stainless.

  • Anonymous Monkey
  •  4/14/16

don't listen to him. He dresses cheap and wears poor quality suits. Many Americans wear nice suits of quality material and good fit. He shops at Men's Warehouse, which is all you need to know.

Hugo Boss has good suits, but you have to go the upper end, which is too pricey for most. Their $800-$1100 suits are over-priced.

2/14/11
Independent Gestion:
IlliniProgrammer:

Little too flashy. If you want a relatively high-end designer label, something at the level of Abboud, Tasso-Elba, Hart-Marx, or maybe Brooks Brothers might be a little more appropriate for analysts.

Don't go past $400. There's really no need to go past $180 in the first place for analysts, but don't buy a suit that obviously cost more than $400.

$400 Dollars? You're joking right? Is this an American thing I should know about before my SA stint? .

For some reason, I think you're from the arabian peninsula :D where'ya from lad?

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2/15/11
konig:
Independent Gestion:
IlliniProgrammer:

Little too flashy. If you want a relatively high-end designer label, something at the level of Abboud, Tasso-Elba, Hart-Marx, or maybe Brooks Brothers might be a little more appropriate for analysts.

Don't go past $400. There's really no need to go past $180 in the first place for analysts, but don't buy a suit that obviously cost more than $400.

$400 Dollars? You're joking right? Is this an American thing I should know about before my SA stint? .

For some reason, I think you're from the arabian peninsula :D where'ya from lad?

Africa. But close. I know what you mean though haha.

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2/12/11

hugo boss is crap quality fused suits at high price

10/2/11

Fifth Ave shoes were a good call. You should't be able to get better than a $1000 Hugo Boss suit. But you do more than likely need a tailor, so you should keep in mind that it will take some time to tailor.

2/12/11

Brooks brothers suits are nasty quality and they have comparable to Hugo Boss prices. Obviously none of them are great quality but that's obvious when they cost <$1000.

Illiniprogrammer are you saying I'd take shit in the office if I was wearing an understated Canali/Prada/RL suit? I was wearing them in my freshman SA year and noone noticed or cared.

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10/2/11

Get a real Brooks Brothers suit. The problem with outlets is that they have fabrics and models specifically designed as downmarket. They're boxier, less well-made, and uglier. If you're super happy with the Boss fit, get a Fitzgerald or Madison. Brooks makes them as their slimmer lines. Check out the 'Men's Clothing' section of styleforum.com if you need major pointers.

Good call on the AEs.. that's a very standard model. I have it in walnut calf.

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2/12/11
Independent Gestion:

Brooks brothers suits are nasty quality and they have comparable to Hugo Boss prices. Obviously none of them are great quality but that's obvious when they cost <$1000.

Illiniprogrammer are you saying I'd take shit in the office if I was wearing an understated Canali/Prada/RL suit? I was wearing them in my freshman SA year and noone noticed or cared.

Probably because nobody realized they were high-end suits. If that's the case, why not save yourself the $400 and go with a $250 Tasso from Macy's?

10/2/11
A Posse Ad Esse:

Get a real Brooks Brothers suit. The problem with outlets is that they have fabrics and models specifically designed as downmarket. They're boxier, less well-made, and uglier. If you're super happy with the Boss fit, get a Fitzgerald or Madison. Brooks makes them as their slimmer lines. Check out the 'Men's Clothing' section of styleforum.com if you need major pointers.

Good call on the AEs.. that's a very standard model. I have it in walnut calf.

Thanks for the suggestion I'm going to BB tomorrow to return the ones I have and I'll check out the ones you mentioned. The HB fit well on me because it was a really slim fit and I'm pretty thin.

P.S. Ya those AE's in walnut look freaking GORGEOUS! They would look ahmazing with a nice pair of jean and matching leather jacket.

10/3/11
equity_player:
A Posse Ad Esse:

Thanks for the suggestion I'm going to BB tomorrow to return the ones I have and I'll check out the ones you mentioned. The HB fit well on me because it was a really slim fit and I'm pretty thin.

P.S. Ya those AE's in walnut look freaking GORGEOUS! They would look ahmazing with a nice pair of jean and matching leather jacket.

You won't be able to find 'real' Brooks suit at an outlet. Everything at the outlets is the 346 line which isn't even stocked in traditional Brooks stores, it's a down-market line.

I got the walnut to match a belt I picked up before I left Florence last spring, it's kinda an FU statement in the office together haha.

Agree with others that there are far better suits for the money. Never pay retail, because every single store has multiple periods during the year when you can pay far less for the same item. Go to stores and try to familiarize yourself with different brands so you know how they fit and can cop something online (i.e. Gilt) when they come up or you see a doorbuster sale at a store -- you don't have to waste time figuring out which size you are.

RLBL and RLPL are great options too, albeit out of his price range a bit if he's looking only at Brooks outlets and Boss.

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10/3/11
equity_player:
A Posse Ad Esse:

Get a real Brooks Brothers suit. The problem with outlets is that they have fabrics and models specifically designed as downmarket. They're boxier, less well-made, and uglier. If you're super happy with the Boss fit, get a Fitzgerald or Madison. Brooks makes them as their slimmer lines. Check out the 'Men's Clothing' section of styleforum.com if you need major pointers.

Good call on the AEs.. that's a very standard model. I have it in walnut calf.

Thanks for the suggestion I'm going to BB tomorrow to return the ones I have and I'll check out the ones you mentioned. The HB fit well on me because it was a really slim fit and I'm pretty thin.

P.S. Ya those AE's in walnut look freaking GORGEOUS! They would look ahmazing with a nice pair of jean and matching leather jacket.

I worked at brooks during school and summer, and above is correct with the factory suits. The clothing there si cheaper, but reflected in the quality. Also skip on the Madison cut and go fitzgerald. Madison is boxier, and Regent and Fitzgerald are the slimmer cut suits. Also, if you want to cut back on cost, just get the brooks card, get the 15% off, and pay of the balance immediately. Then just don't use the card again. Just keep it, they send you a free $20 gift card on your birthday every year, so its worth it just to have it.

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10/3/11
DNOsaur:
equity_player:
A Posse Ad Esse:

Get a real Brooks Brothers suit. The problem with outlets is that they have fabrics and models specifically designed as downmarket. They're boxier, less well-made, and uglier. If you're super happy with the Boss fit, get a Fitzgerald or Madison. Brooks makes them as their slimmer lines. Check out the 'Men's Clothing' section of styleforum.com if you need major pointers.

Good call on the AEs.. that's a very standard model. I have it in walnut calf.

Thanks for the suggestion I'm going to BB tomorrow to return the ones I have and I'll check out the ones you mentioned. The HB fit well on me because it was a really slim fit and I'm pretty thin.

P.S. Ya those AE's in walnut look freaking GORGEOUS! They would look ahmazing with a nice pair of jean and matching leather jacket.

I worked at brooks during school and summer, and above is correct with the factory suits. The clothing there si cheaper, but reflected in the quality. Also skip on the Madison cut and go fitzgerald. Madison is boxier, and Regent and Fitzgerald are the slimmer cut suits. Also, if you want to cut back on cost, just get the brooks card, get the 15% off, and pay of the balance immediately. Then just don't use the card again. Just keep it, they send you a free $20 gift card on your birthday every year, so its worth it just to have it.

I always forget which Brooks lines are slimmest ... why can't it be like their shirts ... 'Extra Slim Fit' is straightforward enough dammit. Madison is the ugly boxy one, that's right .. got it mixed up with Milano because I have some of those chinos that actually came close to fitting OTR. Fucking alliteration got me.

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2/12/11
Independent Gestion:

Brooks brothers suits are nasty quality and they have comparable to Hugo Boss prices. Obviously none of them are great quality but that's obvious when they cost <$1000.

Illiniprogrammer are you saying I'd take shit in the office if I was wearing an understated Canali/Prada/RL suit? I was wearing them in my freshman SA year and noone noticed or cared.

Brooks are at least half canvassed. HB are fused and are worse than BB from what I've seen.

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2/12/11
Eric Stratton:
Independent Gestion:

Brooks brothers suits are nasty quality and they have comparable to Hugo Boss prices. Obviously none of them are great quality but that's obvious when they cost <$1000.

Illiniprogrammer are you saying I'd take shit in the office if I was wearing an understated Canali/Prada/RL suit? I was wearing them in my freshman SA year and noone noticed or cared.

Brooks are at least half canvassed. HB are fused and are worse than BB from what I've seen.

I'm talking about Hugo Boss Black, not the garbage you get in department stores.

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2/12/11

how is the quality of hart-marx overall? equal to abboud, below boss/Brooks?

10/2/11

For what it's worth, I needed to get a new suit, so I got that same one (black) with a couple of their shirts and like it all a lot. I'm 6 ft 5 in and 200 lbs so it's hard to find a suit that fits well. After minor adjustment from the tailor, it fits perfect.

2/12/11

IMHO, yes. Maybe a little better than Abboud. The designs are even a little more conservative than Abboud, but they're built very well.

I've never had a Brooks Brothers or Hugo suit, but I've tried an HB on and didn't feel very reassured by the construction. It seemed almost shoddy- then again this was at Century 21, and there's almost always a reason something winds up there marked down 60-70%.

The ultimate cost-per-wear for both Abboud and Hart-Marx is probably about the same as the $200 suits. So IMHO, they're worth the extra money if you have lots of it laying around. (Most new analysts don't.)

Bottom line is that if it's made in the US or Western Europe, that's a good first sign the designer is spending some extra money on the manufacturing process. I do a lot of walking and I'm tough on clothes, but I've never had a western-made suit tear on me in less than 100 days worth of use.

10/2/11

for 1000 you can do much better than HB, i wouldnt buy a boss suit but if i did i wouldnt spend more than 400 on one, you can get way better construction than what they offer for that price

10/2/11
linds_15:

for 1000 you can do much better than HB, i wouldnt buy a boss suit but if i did i wouldnt spend more than 400 on one, you can get way better construction than what they offer for that price

Would you mind giving me a couple of examples? Like I mentioned in my OP I'm headed to BOYDS tomorrow (upscale boutique in philly) so I'll check out some canali's and hickey freeman's,

2/12/11

I don't think HB is that great. I've got some shirts/ties/suits from them and they are alright. They aren't even made in a developed country. The product is at a good price point where its "high-end" but "entry-level"

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10/2/11

I think BB is extremely overpriced for the quality. You can get a Hickey-Freeman (not to be confused with hickey w/ a lower case h), Martin Greenfield, or even Canali for way less than a BB via sites like Gilt or Nordstrom sales.

My HF, which i got for $599, is vastly superior to my Fitzgerald from BB.

2/12/11

Thanks. I'm not big on department stores but I'll take a trip down to the States and see what you guys have there. And haha good call on the watch, I just thought it would be better than my stainless tag huer.

Mind you, I haven't bought an OTR suit in a while but don't they have a tendency to be baggy in all the wrong places? Guess I can get a tailor to take it in/out as needed.

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10/3/11

If you have money to spend, and are in need of a good suit, spend the time and resources to really find a good one. Are you in a big city where its easy to find nice stores? Do you have your own tailor? Before you drop money on a name, find out what makes a suit good. The fabric, the stitching, the buttons, the cut, everything.

If you are spending that kind of money anyway, maybe look into hiring a personal shopper from the store to work with you. Personal shoppers can work with your price range to find the best looking suit for the best value. If you are like most people (which you are since you are posting on here), you are probably clueless about the whole process. Working with a personal shopper from the store will give you insight into the things you need to look for in a good suit.

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2/12/11
Independent Gestion:

Thanks. I'm not big on department stores but I'll take a trip down to the States and see what you guys have there. And haha good call on the watch, I just thought it would be better than my stainless tag huer.

Mind you, I haven't bought an OTR suit in a while but don't they have a tendency to be baggy in all the wrong places? Guess I can get a tailor to take it in/out as needed.

Go with the Tag, much classier and not pretentious at all. Its a quality watch for a young guy - I have the aqua-racer.

2/12/11
Situation:
Independent Gestion:

Thanks. I'm not big on department stores but I'll take a trip down to the States and see what you guys have there. And haha good call on the watch, I just thought it would be better than my stainless tag huer.

Mind you, I haven't bought an OTR suit in a while but don't they have a tendency to be baggy in all the wrong places? Guess I can get a tailor to take it in/out as needed.

Go with the Tag, much classier and not pretentious at all. Its a quality watch for a young guy - I have the aqua-racer.

Ya the Aqua-racer's a beautiful simple watch. I have the stainless Grand Carrera

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2/12/11

IlliniProgrammer is right, but he's also coming from the frugal side of the spectrum. If you already have a Canali suit, you can wear it as long as it's not some sort of flashy pattern. I'm not smitten with Hugo Boss if it's not on sale - for just a tad more than the price you'd pay for a new Boss, you can probably get something from Hickey Freeman on sale.

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10/3/11

Don't listen to these schmucks, HB is cool - my favourite suit is my grey HB.

10/3/11
Donni502:

Don't listen to these schmucks, HB is cool - my favourite suit is my grey HB.

Agree. I like my Hugo Boss suits. They wear well and it is never a problem getting new spare pants in the same color when they wear out. The grey and navy ones will never be discontinued, so I just call up my local store and they have my alteration details. Pick up new pants 3 days later with smaller openings at the bottom and slightly shorter legs. If you are going to start in IB, just buy whatever is easiest to replace. Going to wear through 4-5 pants a year.

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2/12/11

Haha, frugal side of the spectrum is an understatement. I live in NJ to avoid taxes and save on rent, but I slept like a baby during the financial crisis.

10/3/11

RLBL

2/12/11

As the poster stated above, for the price point, their fused quality is sub par.

Also, they made clothing for the Nazis

10/3/11

Find a good tailor. As you go through life you will realize that very few clothes will fit you off the rack. A good tailor is a game changer. He will help you find your style and make fitting suggestions as well.

2/12/11
Paul.Allen:

As the poster stated above, for the price point, their fused quality is sub par.

Also, they made clothing for the Nazis

And IBM gave them technology and Coca-cola made Fanta for them. Big whoop.

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3/2/15

Jimage:

Find a good tailor. As you go through life you will realize that very few clothes will fit you off the rack. A good tailor is a game changer. He will help you find your style and make fitting suggestions as well.

So this. The tailor I use keeps a complete wardrobe of mine on file.

Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.

2/13/11

Bought a Boss suit for $350 at Century 21, got home and put it next to my $80 Alfani suit from Macy's discounts and kicked myself in the ass because they look exactly the same! Don't waste a lot of money on a suit because as long as it is tailored and fits properly nobody will know the quality.

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10/3/11

in reference to what i said before, theres much better brands for 1000, in perticular id go with a canali, bb fitz, rlbl, isaia, for staters. whats most important is to find a brand and cut that fits you well, if you're a bigger guy than a rlbl just wont be right for you. personally i find canali fits me best, and im always on the lookout for some jackets or suits onsale seeing as i dont need any but know they fit me best.
you should go to a store with a wide selection and just try on a bunch of different suits til you find one you love, if it happens to be boss then great, but know youre paying more than you should for it, at retail at least

2/13/11
cplpayne:

Bought a Boss suit for $350 at Century 21, got home and put it next to my $80 Alfani suit from Macy's discounts and kicked myself in the ass because they look exactly the same! Don't waste a lot of money on a suit because as long as it is tailored and fits properly nobody will know the quality.

Dude, I have an alfani red and a Hugo, and you cannot compare the two. Hugo Boss has varying levels of quality.

With regard to alfani, if you know a thing or two about fashion, it is apparent that the quality is poor.

2/13/11
Situation:
cplpayne:

Bought a Boss suit for $350 at Century 21, got home and put it next to my $80 Alfani suit from Macy's discounts and kicked myself in the ass because they look exactly the same! Don't waste a lot of money on a suit because as long as it is tailored and fits properly nobody will know the quality.

Dude, I have an alfani red and a Hugo, and you cannot compare the two. Hugo Boss has varying levels of quality.

With regard to alfani, if you know a thing or two about fashion, it is apparent that the quality is poor.

dude you brought down 5mil why are you buying Alfani red or Hugo?

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2/13/11
cplpayne:
Situation:
cplpayne:

Bought a Boss suit for $350 at Century 21, got home and put it next to my $80 Alfani suit from Macy's discounts and kicked myself in the ass because they look exactly the same! Don't waste a lot of money on a suit because as long as it is tailored and fits properly nobody will know the quality.

Dude, I have an alfani red and a Hugo, and you cannot compare the two. Hugo Boss has varying levels of quality.

With regard to alfani, if you know a thing or two about fashion, it is apparent that the quality is poor.

dude you brought down 5mil why are you buying Alfani red or Hugo?

Slow down pimpin. That was back in the prehistoric kindergarten. You know I am rockin that sleeveless Zenga suit these days. It's getting hard to look this good.

2/13/11
Situation:
cplpayne:

Bought a Boss suit for $350 at Century 21, got home and put it next to my $80 Alfani suit from Macy's discounts and kicked myself in the ass because they look exactly the same! Don't waste a lot of money on a suit because as long as it is tailored and fits properly nobody will know the quality.

Dude, I have an alfani red and a Hugo, and you cannot compare the two. Hugo Boss has varying levels of quality.

With regard to alfani, if you know a thing or two about fashion, it is apparent that the quality is poor.

Point is not really how it's received in the office but how you grow up. Some kids start wearing suits, ties and tuxedos before they're 10 (as I did). Some people buy their first suit at prom and apparently some by their first suit in their junior year preparing for SA gigs. The culture you're raised in makes the difference between whether you think it's okay to buy some 300 dollar ghetto off the rack suit or a custom Prada 3 piece or a Saville Row ensemble. None of them is going to make you a better banker so it doesn't matter as long as you don't look homeless.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

2/13/11
Independent Gestion:
Situation:
cplpayne:

Bought a Boss suit for $350 at Century 21, got home and put it next to my $80 Alfani suit from Macy's discounts and kicked myself in the ass because they look exactly the same! Don't waste a lot of money on a suit because as long as it is tailored and fits properly nobody will know the quality.

Dude, I have an alfani red and a Hugo, and you cannot compare the two. Hugo Boss has varying levels of quality.

With regard to alfani, if you know a thing or two about fashion, it is apparent that the quality is poor.

Point is not really how it's received in the office but how you grow up. Some kids start wearing suits, ties and tuxedos before they're 10 (as I did). Some people buy their first suit at prom and apparently some by their first suit in their junior year preparing for SA gigs. The culture you're raised in makes the difference between whether you think it's okay to buy some 300 dollar ghetto off the rack suit or a custom Prada 3 piece or a Saville Row ensemble. None of them is going to make you a better banker so it doesn't matter as long as you don't look homeless.

IMO, presentation is very important. You want to be percieved as both socially and academically intelligent. Wearing nice fitting and quality clothing displays confidence and adds a level of social awareness. You would be surprised how many brilliant guys you meet that cannot dress themselves out of a closet. You wonder how someone so smart could be so mindless in this regard.

If you dress confidently, people will be more apt to trust your work and your word. So in summary, the clothing does not make the banker, however it greatly enhances his social aptitude and alters the way in which he is received by others (clients mainly). A simple analogy; Holding everything else constant (food quality, prices), would you rather take your girl to a restaurant that was unorganized and dirty, or one that was clean and inviting?

Information/reputation is asymmetric, but appearance is entirely transparent.

2/13/11
Situation:
Independent Gestion:
Situation:
cplpayne:

Bought a Boss suit for $350 at Century 21, got home and put it next to my $80 Alfani suit from Macy's discounts and kicked myself in the ass because they look exactly the same! Don't waste a lot of money on a suit because as long as it is tailored and fits properly nobody will know the quality.

Dude, I have an alfani red and a Hugo, and you cannot compare the two. Hugo Boss has varying levels of quality.

With regard to alfani, if you know a thing or two about fashion, it is apparent that the quality is poor.

Point is not really how it's received in the office but how you grow up. Some kids start wearing suits, ties and tuxedos before they're 10 (as I did). Some people buy their first suit at prom and apparently some by their first suit in their junior year preparing for SA gigs. The culture you're raised in makes the difference between whether you think it's okay to buy some 300 dollar ghetto off the rack suit or a custom Prada 3 piece or a Saville Row ensemble. None of them is going to make you a better banker so it doesn't matter as long as you don't look homeless.

IMO, presentation is very important. You want to be percieved as both socially and academically intelligent. Wearing nice fitting and quality clothing displays confidence and adds a level of social awareness. You would be surprised how many brilliant guys you meet that cannot dress themselves out of a closet. You wonder how someone so smart could be so mindless in this regard.

If you dress confidently, people will be more apt to trust your work and your word. So in summary, the clothing does not make the banker, however it greatly enhances his social aptitude and alters the way in which he is received by others (clients mainly). A simple analogy; Holding everything else constant (food quality, prices), would you rather take your girl to a restaurant that was unorganized and dirty, or one that was clean and inviting?

Information/reputation is asymmetric, but appearance is entirely transparent.

Situation, I agree. I was just trying to be nice. I think it's pretty unprofessional to skimp on quality attire (especially as a FT employee) when they pay us so much. If you're gonna make 90K+ all in right out of college you have a responsibility to your company to present yourself as if you make that much money.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

2/13/11
Independent Gestion:
Situation:
cplpayne:

Bought a Boss suit for $350 at Century 21, got home and put it next to my $80 Alfani suit from Macy's discounts and kicked myself in the ass because they look exactly the same! Don't waste a lot of money on a suit because as long as it is tailored and fits properly nobody will know the quality.

Dude, I have an alfani red and a Hugo, and you cannot compare the two. Hugo Boss has varying levels of quality.

With regard to alfani, if you know a thing or two about fashion, it is apparent that the quality is poor.

...Some kids start wearing suits, ties and tuxedos before they're 10 (as I did)...

Don't remind me ... I started wearing mishlahs when I was 12! http://www.sahilonline.org/news/2011/jan11/034814k... (what the king is wearing...very formal events)

I guess we're on the same page, Independent Gestion. It's so confusing; you want to stay in style but you dont want to stick out like a sore thumb either :S

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2/13/11
Independent Gestion:

Point is not really how it's received in the office but how you grow up. Some kids start wearing suits, ties and tuxedos before they're 10 (as I did). Some people buy their first suit at prom and apparently some by their first suit in their junior year preparing for SA gigs. The culture you're raised in makes the difference between whether you think it's okay to buy some 300 dollar ghetto off the rack suit or a custom Prada 3 piece or a Saville Row ensemble. None of them is going to make you a better banker so it doesn't matter as long as you don't look homeless.

You are kinda a pretentious fuck. Word of advice: chill with the whole "I was born with a platinum spoon in my mouth" mindset and realize that you're going to be working with people who come from widely varying backgrounds who will wear varying levels of clothing.

At the end of the day, as long as you're presentable, you're set. Take your own advice, none of it makes you a better banker and as long as you don't look like trash in the office, no one else cares. However, if you DO look like the pretentious dbag who daddy shuttled off to boarding school with a black card in pocket from the age of 8, no one will want to give you as much as the time of day. Yes, when you're a BSD go ahead and be pimp. Rock whatever makes you feel good, just don't be the analyst wearing 3-piece Canali with french cuffs and a gold watch in his first year.

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2/13/11

Hugo boss suits are pretty nice and an excellent value. $1,200 and you've got a great fit, high quality suit. Buy them in the Boss store and get them altered there.

That said - I don't like Boss in general quite as much as I used to. They used to make really good jeans, etc, but all that has faded away... the formal wear is still nice, but I'm worried it'll tail off too.

10/6/11

HB is a solid analyst suit, I own five of them and they have held up quite well through almost 2 years. Long run you'd probably want to get nicer suits but overall I have had a solid experience with these suits. I have the Jam Sharp, for a slim guy they work well.

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2/18/11
International Pymp:

Hugo boss suits are pretty nice and an excellent value. $1,200 and you've got a great fit, high quality suit. Buy them in the Boss store and get them altered there.

That said - I don't like Boss in general quite as much as I used to. They used to make really good jeans, etc, but all that has faded away... the formal wear is still nice, but I'm worried it'll tail off too.

That could not be further from the truth.

Hugo Boss is complete junk. Fabrics are a disaster and most of their suits are fused...and yes, that includes Boss Black (with a few exceptions).

If you're going to spend that kind of money on a suit stay far away from Hugo Boss. Most you should pay is like $300-400 and even than you're not getting a great deal.

For cheap suits that will last, it's hard to beat the father's day sale or christmas/boxing day sale at Brooks Brothers.

2/14/11

My guess is on Canada.

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10/7/11

I agree with most people above - it's not that it's a particularly bad suit, it's just not a particularly good suit. I have tried them on many times and am always underwhelmed and a little surprised at the price. If you can find one on clearance and you like the styling and fit, then go for it. It's a perfectly fine entry level suit, just not fantastic value.

If you're intending to spend in the 700-1000 range, it might be worth looking into some of the entry-level MTM places like Suit Supply or something. I have no experience with them at all, but I've read that they're pretty good for the money.

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2/14/11

A Posse Ed Posse 1, Independent Gestion 0. By the way, wearing a 3-piece Prada suit makes you a douche no matter what. No exceptions, nothing - unless you're going to some dbag club in Vegas, leave it at home.

And the Saville Row stuff, well, wear a $5K suit to an entry-level job at your own risk. Just because mommy and daddy have a lot of money doesn't mean that people won't make fun of you for dressing like some self-styled prince.

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10/7/11

Just bought two Brooks Brothers suits today, so I'll lend my thoughts to the discussion...

First thing I did today was go to Morris & Sons, one of the last remaining true menswear stores in Chicago. The store carries top of the line brands such as Kiton, Brioni, etc. Their intro suit brand is Hugo Boss.

Not wanting to spend $1,500+ on a Caruso suit, I decided to go with the Hugo Boss. The tailor came out, pinned and chalked as necessary to alter the suit. But after all was said and done, there was something off with the righthand suit of the jacket, near my chest. The the righthand side was asymmetrical with the lefthand side. No one bothered to point this out to me, but fortunately I noticed it. I enquired about this and was told that this was due to the construction of the jacket. Hugo Boss suits are fused, not canvassed. Therefore, the jacket was lying improperly due to its construction. The problem didn't exist on the lefthand side because of the breast pocket.

I decided then to walk out of the store. I caught a cab and went to Brooks Brothers.

Yes unfortunately their suits aren't cut as slim as the Hugo Boss suits are. But they are fully canvassed, and I think the quality of the materials is superior.

The MSRP of the Hugo Boss suit I tried on was $890. Brooks Brothers suits retail at ~$900 - $1,100 and if you buy two, they sell for $800 per.

The other thing I will say is that a fused suit is likely to not last as long as a canvassed suit. Fused construction basically means that the jacket is glued together. With a canvassed suit, their is a hidden inner layer that holds the jacket together. The problem with a fused jacket is that the glue can loosen. This will cause bubbles to appear under the fabric and the jacket will look like shit. This can happen from your jacket getting wet or from your dry cleaner pressing it too often / too hot. This happened to me on one of my Hugo Boss jackets. Fortunately, my dry cleaner was able to fix it but I am afraid that it is only a matter of time before the problem comes back.

2/14/11

Prada suits arent even that awesome, if you want to rock out and spend this much get them custome made in places like Milan, Hong Kong or Bangkok (Cerutti fabric) which make awesome suits. I agree that it would be a bit difficult to go to those places just to get suits made, but maybe during a vacation or business trip.

and yeah dont wear a 3-piece suit that would just be ridiculous

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10/7/11

If you liike them, wait for Hugo Boss to have a sale. They usually have great discounts (at least they used to).

I used to ask an employee when their big seasonal sales were and then come back and get suits then. I was able to get a few over the years for ~$400-600. I really like the way their suits fit me, and I always got compliments when I wore them for meetings so it's not like the suits don't fit some arbitrary what is apporpriate in IBD criteria.

That said, I'm glad that I never wear suits anymore.

2/17/11

South Africa?

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10/12/11

Get whatever you feel comfortable with.
If you have second thoughts, whatever, buy a new suit... that way they will last longer.

2/17/11

The guys at Permira (who own Valention/Hugo Boss) do not wear it to their own offices, so no. It's not too flashy, it's too gay. The Cinven guys on the other hand...well...

10/12/11

I have a Hugo suit that I've had for about 8 years now. Solid construction, nice fit, no issues. If it looks and fits well, get it. Buy yourself a steamer and steam your suits. Dry clean like once or twice a year, no more. Get at least 5 suits and rotate them. I rarely wear a suit anymore, but unless you beat the shit out of it you shouldn't have an issue.

2/17/11

You have some of the dumbest posts here. It's not "too gay," and I don't even own Boss.

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10/25/11

Anyone who says Hugo boss is good quality or has good construction knows nothing about suits. My mom used to make suits in factories in China and was able to immediately tell that a HB $1000 is not as well made as one of the BB fully canvassed suits. Doesn't fit? get a it tailored. Good construction/material is more important (just make sure it fits your shoulders). If you're willing to drop 1k on a suit, might as well look into Polo suits too. Most of their stuff isn't terribly good quality but their suits and sports coats are usually made by corneliani (see if they say made in italy inside. if they do, it's corneliani). RLBL makes the best slim fit suits for their price AFAIK.

You can probably find the best deals over at styleforum's buying and selling section.

2/25/11

^agree to disagree my friend. I think boss has nice fabrics and a crisp, professional look. Looks good on people who are taller with big shoulders - german style.

10/26/11

Brook Brothers' 25% off Suit Sale
is starting this Friday if you have a BB charge card.

3/4/11

love hugo boss cant go wrong if it fits

11/3/11

You can get suits made for you for around 1000 bucks. Do that, don't buy anything off the rack.

5/9/12
equity_player:

I've never owned a nice suit, ever. The nicest I've ever owned is a black Banana Republic one I found on sale a few years ago. I'm starting a new gig soon so I want to have at least 2 nice suits. Last night I took a trip to Brooks Brothers outlets outside of Philly and was able to buy 1 charcoalish (more of a dark grey) and one navy blue with light stripe accents for about $465 (buy 2 for $579-15% if you start a card with them).

Today when I tried em on again I didn't quite like em so I took a quick trip to the mall to return them but store was close to me closed down. I saw a Hugo Boss at the mall and decided to check it out. One of sales guy showed me a couple of his suits and I fell in love. Dark grey suit and the jacket and pants fit me like they were designed specifically for me, price tag read $995 or $955. I've never had a suit fit me and one that looked that good on me before but I remembered how HB has a bad rep on WSO so I told the guy I would be back in Tuesday to pick em up.

Now I am not that insecure that I need a forum to tell me what to wear but it's safe to say I don't know much about how to dress professionally and I'm hoping a few more educated members could point me in the right direction. The suit was slightly flashy but not so over the top that i looked like I was working at some hip marketing firm (Mad Men). I want to stand out from the rest of my coworkers but I don't want to pretend I'm a VP and end up looking like a dbag.

So anyways I'm just wondering if dropping $1000 on a HB suit is worth it, I'm sort of in a hurry too since my job starts soon and I don't have anything to wear. I'll be headed to BOYDS in Philly tomorrow as well just to see what they have to offer but I know they will be even more expensive.

Also, I placed an order for these Allen Edmonds today and was wondering if anyone could comment:
http://www.endless.com/dp/B001TDKY62?ie=UTF8&ie=UTF8

THANKS!

Hugo Boss was making Nazi uniforms during WW2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15008682
Also they decreased their quality during 2009 http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/30/hugo-boss-quality...

I myself bought their suit "The Journey/Sharp2WE" torn up twice completely on the back side of the pants (buttocks) on the seams on my way to important meetings.
Not because it was small or something, cause I have Strellson and Cristian Berg with the same size, but because it was made in Bulgaria, and HB QC there probably sucks big time.
More over when I reported this directly to HB, they dried me up with stupid responces and pin-pongs to the shop where I bought it.
Then completely stopped replying to my queries for 3 calendar months.
After which I sent them another email and they came up with indifferent reply and a 50euros voucher that they can shove it in their a*, cause after things that I learned I will never buy even a pin to my shorts from HB.

8/28/12

I came across a HB suit that was marked down from $999 to $550. Nice Navy Blue one that fits well. Was wondering if its a good pickup at that price?

8/28/12

I came across a HB suit that was marked down from $999 to $550. Nice Navy Blue one that fits well. Was wondering if its a good pickup at that price?

8/28/12

Forget about it, their quality suck big time.
For that price I would recommend Faconnable its a French brand with far better garment quality.
http://us.faconnable-store.com/

8/28/12
8/29/12

Hugo Boss is not a good suit at $550. Just don't bother with them unless you get them heavily discounted. I wouldn't pay more than $250 for one, and even that would be a stretch. They just aren't good suits no matter how you look at them.

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8/29/12

Interesting. I guess avoid the HB.

9/22/12

Personally, I've had good luck with HB's limited stuff. But the best suits (I find) are by far Zegna. Nice shoes, btw.

Another nice shoe is Donald Pliner

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11/25/12

suit snobs. all of you. i wouldn't take style advice from a bunch of wall street d-bags.

11/26/12

I'm gonna hit you with something a little off the wall. J.Lindberg! I really like slim fitted suits but not your kind of Topman look how my drainpipe suit cuts of the circulation of my feet.

The trousers are slightly tapered so it is the happy middle ground between the 90's aircraft hangers and the Mod's skinny delight. The suit jacket is a beautifully slim cut, need I say more.

The material is absolutely terrific. One big problem with Boss or any huge premium brand is they use their brand at the expense of quality. I bought two HB shirts and a D&G shirt, all of which frayed at the button after 1-2months. J Lindberg suits come in both thin and thick varieties, my thinnest suit I have had for 3 years and none of the material has been damaged from overuse while the thick one feels luxurious.

finally, the price - PS500. ($650). On top of that, I usually hit up Harvey Nicholls as they give you discounts if you ask for it. As a result I pay PS420 per suit and am convinced the only step up in quality comes from savill row

Have a look here: http://jlindeberg.com/

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  •  12/4/12

I have 5 HB suits and a HB tuxedo. I have a bespoke suit made from Zegna material, but I still love my HB suits. I think of all the suits I've tried, the HB cut just fits me the best. It's a matter of personal preference, fit, feel and look.

12/5/12

Just stumbled across a new offer from Charles Tyrwhitt for 20% off via Retailmenot... Could bag yourself a high quality British suit for $320 reduced from $399. Might be an idea.

12/10/12

I have a HB suit and for slim fit guys I'd have to say they fit really well.

I however would not buy it for 1,000...if you have access to an outlet that has BB, you may want to look for a Saks off 5th. They sometimes have great deals on suits and you can get Zegna, HB, Hickey and others for 50% off or buy 1 get 1.

8/8/13

any hate on the construction of the Pasolini/movie suit? It fits great and I am under $300 where I'm at.

8/9/13

If it fits well, that's what matters. 95%+ of the people who see you in it won't be able to identify the maker or the quality of your garment, only how well it looks on you. If it's under $300 and fits as it should (and most people don't even know what this means), that's a steal.

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8/16/13

Yes, they suck. Stay away.

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

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8/16/13

Yes, they suck. Stay away.

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

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8/16/13

To echo other comments here, Hugo Boss is overpriced and relatively poor quality compared to many competitors. I would throw out SuitSupply as another option. Ignore the models on their website (and the brand name for that matter). Their suits start around $400 and are the best value for the money in my experience, not to mention I've had excellent service in my many visits to their stores in London and NYC.

8/20/13

Huge Boss is not bad at all. What matters far more than having a "good" suit is having a suit that fits. If its fits--this means getting it tailored--then it will look good.

8/20/13

The only reason Hugo Boss looked good is that their cuts are made for people your age - young builds, essentially (which is something so few suitmakers do right). However, in all other respects their suits are shit - fused/glued construction, cheap wool, made in China/Turkey/wherever. Their suits are no worth the $1000 they sell them for in store. Their quality is on-par with Jos. A. Banks with a modern cut.

Go to Suitsupply, try a made-to-measure option, or get an off-the-rack suit that fits you as well as possible (in case BB was too big for you) tailored, and you'll have a suit that will last you for years. Hugo Boss makes cheap suits that fit well and are way overpriced.

2/25/15

Mid-Expensive suits made in India with cheap labour ..I don't mind outsourcing, but the quality of Hugo Boss is not what it used to be from the 1980's and 1990's now it is just mass produced nothing better than suits a quarter of the price..
For example they are all fused now not stitched and will last months not years..

3/30/15

Shopping during sales is crucial to getting a good deal. You can pick up a brooks brothers milano or fitzgerald for 40% off which is like 650 during after xmas sale.

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