Best group at JP Morgan

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on the best groups at JP Morgan Investment Banking. From what I've heard it's M&A, Lev Fin, and Sponsors? Any thoughts on that?

By the way, I was also wondering if anyone know why JPM pays significantly less to its summer analysts than firms such as BAML and CS (both of which pays significant overtime, which makes the total salary almost twice of JPM's) Would it be a good idea to negotiate with JPM for a higher salary?

Thank you very much!

 

JPM LevFin is very strong (either #1 or #2 along with BAML's LevFin)-- great technicals + exit opps HOWEVER, very hard to get into. Probably part of the Capital Markets group.

M&A, as always, is a strong group. Personally, I think the idea of Sponsors is dumb. Sponsors isn't really an industry, and you don't get as much modelling as LevFin. The only real advantage is that you talk to the PE guys... at the end of the day, I think it'd be better to understand fundamentals (my opinion)

From what I understand, for a lot of the BB"s, energy in NY are shell groups (very small). Most BB Energy is in Houston, and most BB Tech is in Menlo Park/west coast.

LevFin (if that's a choice), M&A, FIG, MT, are strong groups

Also with regards to Summer Analyst salary... only CS and BAML that I know of pays overtime, so I mean, it is what it is

 

You're kidding right ? JPM M&A was #1 for 2008 - way ahead of GS. It also varies by provider. JPM was #3 for 2009 by Dealogic. Stop looking at league tables. All that matters is that you get a good deal exposure.

 

Couple questions.

Does M&A do their own work or is the modeling done within the coverage groups?

Could you shed more light on the financial sponsors group? in comparison to other financial sponsor groups.

Thanks

 
Best Response
cruel3a:
SmokeyG:

M&A does the modeling for all groups but HC and FIG

Best groups for exits are FS, M&A, Lev Fin, HC, FIG, TMT

Can someone confirm that only HC, FIG and M&A do modelling at JPM?!

Would surprise me if HC did their own modeling. Would also surprise me if M&A did modeling for Real Estate. So yes, I would also like someone at JP to confirm that.

 
SmokeyG:

M&A does the modeling for all groups but HC and FIG

Best groups for exits are FS, M&A, Lev Fin, HC, FIG, TMT

This is incorrect for Consumer/Retail. In C/R modeling is primarily done in the coverage team with M&A junior staffing only for the most resource intensive, live projects. Even then, coverage will still do the vast majority of the technical leg work and look to M&A only for support.

 

Haven't posted in the longest time but just wanted to clarify some gross mis-statements.

1) From my experience on two of the coverage teams mentioned, coverage teams do the bulk of the modeling work in almost all scenarios. M&A analysts, if any, primarily handle the process work-stream when staffed on our deals (e.g. data room, diligence tracker, helping write CIM, etc.). Think about it for a second - the MD on the coverage team owns the relationship and wants to be air-tight on the analysis. Would he rather outsource that work to the M&A team or has his dedicated coverage team do the modeling?

2) In terms of exit ops, Healthcare, DI and TMT have done very well. Overall though, there is a shift from 1st year analysts recruiting to 2nd year analysts recruiting as J.P. has shifted to a 3 year program. A win-win scenario from many of the junior's perspectives.

 

Also - best shot at recruiting is from a coverage group vs. FSG, M&A and certainly not LevFin. LevFin is an market-focused execution group. All, let me repeat ALL of the operating / credit models we run are done by coverage teams - not LevFin.

 

Coverage groups spend considerable time pitching as well as working on IPO's and debt deals, which are inherently process oriented. They're also responsible for spreading/scrubbing comps for their respective industries. M&A analysts only work on M&A deals (most of the time live), which is huge.

As for actual work on the M&A deals, you'll rarely have both an industry analyst and M&A analyst on the same deal, unless it's particularly big (in which case, there's plenty of modeling work to go around). I personally haven't heard of any M&A analysts doing largely "process-oriented work"; in fact, most were the sole analyst responsible for modeling JP's biggest deals. This makes sense given the small size of the group (7 or 8 per analyst class) and the deal flow J.P.'s had year after year.

The allegation that M&A analysts do more process-oriented work is false. Chances are, if you're an M&A analyst, you've built the model for a fair share of mega deals. Most coverage group analysts will get good M&A experience as well, but they will have to split their time working on IPO's and debt deals, which again are process oriented.

 

What about at the associate level? What are the best groups for culture, exit opportunities and work-life balance? What are the best groups to move out at the associate level (PE, HF, etc.)

I'm grateful that I have two middle fingers, I only wish I had more.
 

Pretty sure their industry groups (TMT, Healthcare, Energy etc.) are all solid. I talked to some of the guys there in the NY office and they said that in terms of job security, an industry group was a lot more solid than a product group like M&A or DCM.

 

Yes, I listed two above (M&A and DCM) but I believe Sponsors is viewed as a coverage group (working with PE and HF clients) by those who work in it. I may be wrong about that but this is what a lot of people have told me as well as what I've read online.

 

Well, maybe you do not do modelling in LevFin (to be verified, in Europe they do), but it is one of the top products at JPMC and the team should be strong. Chemicals is also strong.

I'm grateful that I have two middle fingers, I only wish I had more.
 
ibanker12:
I would say M&A, FSG and TMT are toughest groups to get placement, in that order. Lev fin (TMT and Consumer/retail) are other very tough groups to get placement.

for tmt - are you referring to tech & media & telecom, or media & telecom that is based out of nyc?

Take it as it comes JJ
 

Is this for LDN or NY? People from DI LDN have recently eneded up at firms such as KKR or the Italian Strategic Fund (around €5-7Bln AuM) and have been interviewing for firms such as Apollo.

I'm grateful that I have two middle fingers, I only wish I had more.
 

Alright.

ECM/SLF = sounds cool, have some sort of market focus, a little more sense of urgency there. Also heard SLF is one of the top groups. FIG = Had a good vibe of one of the senior interviewers, less cyclical group, but potential to be "pigeon-hole", less transferable skills Industrials = Had a good vibe with one of the analyst interviewers, big group, one of the "hard-core" groups TMT = Could head up this year or next with all the facebook/linkedin/twitter IPO debacle. But that's all in the US. Nat Resource: Heard it is one of the best group in JPMorgan.

 
James07:
You have to go for either LevFin or Sponsors at JPM - not sure what their exact names are at JPM...

What so good about LevFin or Sponsors? This is for London. I'm more concerned about full-time conversion...

They have SLF, Syndicated and Leveraged Finance and FSG, Financial Sponsors Group.

 
George Parr:
Hi, I have to submit my preference form for J.P Morgan. I got the Autumn 2011 Internship which might possibly lead to a full-time to start in January 2012 from what I heard from people here and some of my friends.

I'm most concern about conversion to full-time, which will be down to demand and how many spots they need to be filled.

I'm considering between these groups, please help me rank em in terms of best exit opps + potential conversion possibility.

FIG, SLF, ECM, Nat Resources, Industrials, TMT

how did you get that internship? where was the job posting? what year r u in school?

 

Yes, oil & gas (nat res) is probably your best bet. If the market were better, lev fin would also be a good place to go.

 

You need to check your fit. Depends on what you want to do. Nat Resources has been slipping in the league tables in 2008.

CSAS (where ratings advisory reside) is very strong, but it is not as client focused as a coverage group. It may not work for everyone.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned M&A - very highly regarded group at JPM. Financial Sponsors and Syndicated & Leverged Finance are also highly regraded, but current market conditions make the positions less desirable.

If you are interested in FIG, JPM's FIG group has been very strong in 2008.

Most coverage and industry groups have something huge to brag about recently, so follow what interests you, and where you "fit" the group. Prestige is worthless if you're going to get cut next week because you're underperforming.

 

Yeah, JPM's lev fin is ridiculously good (them and B of A pretty much own the market), but it's obviously not a good time.

 

FIG might be really hot right now, but from what I've heard FIG isn't as useful as some other groups as far as learning experience goes. I've heard complaints that FIG bankers don't come away with the same knowledge/skillset.

 

FIG has their own group-specific M&A team which sounds pretty interesting.

good friend of mine interned in JPM FIG NYC last summer; apparently they give out rigorous modeling-intensive homework assignments to SAs that they use as a judge of whether or not to give FT offer. intense.

 

I heard the same about the modeling homework assignments, but I heard that was largely because all the SAs were pretty solid kids, but there were only a limited number of SA offers they could give out. So they just made it a bit more competitive...

 

When the market turns around (crosses fingers, late 2009?) JPM and BOA will dominate lev fin because of their massive commercial deposit books and their past track record doing that sort of thing. I heard JPM's energy is good too. If for some reason either of these statements is wrong, I'd be interested to hear why.

 

I was an SA this past summer at JPM and over half of TMT got offers for IB, basically none for research. TMT is always a solid choice for any BB. Plus, anticipation is that the technology cycle is on the upswing for the next couple years. Natres is always commendable - as for FIG, it makes up more than 50% of Citi's IBD so I'd say it's a hot place there, JPM also a good bet.

 

Can anyone comment more on the CSAS group and its subparts? What is the work like in different sub-departments? What are the future prospects and exit opportunities? Is it more of corp fin or hardcore modeling etc?

 

lev fin is strong usually, but i wouldnt head there for an internship this summer... market is too weak for lev fin cause they are on execution side usually i would say groups like m&a, sponsors, energy at least in sponsors your not fully on execution so you still get deal experience even if deals dont go through but lev fin is too slow right now

 

I'm not sure why TMT is ranked so high from prospective analysts. From current analysts at JPM, they're not having that much of a blast in TMT. Industrials (now part of "general industries") is a very strong group. i'd rank the transportation side up there, just becuase i like cars/planes/things that go fast. Energy is a strong group and will continue to do well in a recession. Tons of activity around that area. FIG is a strong group as well. The exit ops from fig are more limited, but you do get great deal exposure. Lev Fin isn't dead like people here claim. the SLF guys from JPM are working hard. The restructuring group is very busy and so is the natural reources side. The Tax-Exempt guys are working round the clock trying to get munis to refinance their auction rate securities. DCM/ECM will generally have better hours and quality of life is important, and as an incomming analyst being on a trading floor is cool.

My advice to all those going through group selection, look at the smaller groups, reach out to current analysts. Fit is key. Make an informed decision.

 

SLF is the place to be at JPM, but I have heard from a former colleague (who currently works in the Commercial Bank there) that she was granted a rotation through SLF, but wasn't given an offer since "they were laying analysts off in the group, not hiring new ones".

She claimed the work was 9-10, with about one day off per week. I know SLF group tend to work less than coverage groups, but based on this hourly workload, it seems lighter due to the current market (and why wouldn't it be?). Still, you can get a good experience in this group, because it is not "dead" but anyone who tells you that it hasn't slowed is lying (but then just about everything has slowed).

Still, I'd shoot for M&A or energy if I were signing up with JPM. It doesn't get talked about as much as some other groups, but JPM M&A is a huge feeder for PE shops, and Energy will be strong regardless of this down market.

 

A friend sent me this, thought it might be helpful to anyone who was following this thread:

"I saw your post about the groups at JPM and I thought I'd try and give you an insider's opinion of all the top groups. TMT is by far the most intense group hours wise. It was 2nd in the league tables two years ago in tech deals but it fell out of the top 5 this past year. However, TMT will still provide you with amazing exit opps and will give you an advantage for getting into start-up tech firms and all the VC firms that focus on tech. JPM's M&A group has been slowly on the rise and is now probably the 3rd or 4th best best M&A group on the street. It also has a very intense culture (probably 2nd in hours behind tmt), but M&A bankers place very well with private equity companies. It is also execution based, so you will not be doing power points, but focusing on modeling. SLF is set up like a trading floor and analysts can sit next to MDs on the floor which can make for an interesting experience. You are a lot more tied into the market than other groups. SLF is also known for placing a lot of analysts into private equity companies and hedge funds plus it has a bit more of a laid back culture. Unfortunately the credit crisis has greatly diminished the workload of the bankers and you are probably not going to see the "golden age of private equity" return anytime soon. Sponsors is another group that has been extremely competitive in the past, because of the great contacts you make with PE, but it has probably been hit the worst by the credit crisis. FIG is another extremely strong group at JPM. You will work long hours, but the group has been coming up in the league tables and landed some really big deals last year. The downside to FIG is that you learn a very specific skill set since FIG companies are evaluated differently than other companies. The upside to this is that you actually get to do all the M&A instead of sourcing it to the M&A group. Lastly there is CHR. Last year this was the most sought after group by summer interns. It is known for having a laid back "fun" culture and its HC group is 2nd in the league tables, surprisingly behind BofA. To get into the top groups it is essential that you call up bankers in the group once you get the massive Binder of groups in a month."

 

whoever told you that does not know what they are talking about. Maybe you can't go to a mega LBO shop, but it doesn't kill your options. Stop taking things written by other college students here as gospel. If you want a real answer to your question, go to the websites of your idea "exit op", and read the bios of the people there. So instead of one college student telling you "OMG, FIG is an amazing group at JPM", and another tells you "everyone knows only M&A is worth taking over GS", look where shops are actually recruiting from.

 

Natural Resources. Simply because this happened:

http:// dealbreaker .com/2009/07/unfounded-rumor-of-the-afternoon-JPM-intern-worked-into-seizure/

KJ CredentialFocus .com Premium finance recruiting services
 

So I'll just list the groups that dominate their respective areas (in no particular order):

  1. real estate: very strong. them BAML and Citi run the space

  2. LevFin: great HY shop. I don't know if I agree with the previous poster's comment about sponsors. At the analyst level, either you head to sponsors or to LevFin (I have yet to come across a big balance sheet bank where both groups are equally strong. Look at BAML: LevFin >>>> Sponsors)

  3. Healthcare: they just dominate the space. No one's close. On every deal. This year, they're at least 100MM in fees above 2nd place.

  4. Industrials: simply because clients need securitization help, they rely a ton on Citi, JPM, and BAML. Very good industrials grooup.

Other groups:

  1. TMT: good group, good culture, but the headstart GS and MS have is so unconquerable that you may be passive bookrunner on a ton of crap and may miss out on strategic advisory opportunities

  2. Power: good group. They, Barclays, and maybe MS are strongest in the power space

Haven't heard anything about consumer. M&A is always a solid choice, but the experience differential isn't so much better than say, TMT. So it's a good group, but I think the other groups (LevFin, HC, Industrials, RE) are better options. Ping me if anything else.

at a BB, not JPM.

 

Seems to be a consensus that DI, HC, FIG, TMT are strongest coverage groups in terms of exit opportunities. I have a couple of questions about these. While FIG is very well regarded, isn't it very specialized making exits hard to come by because the skills learned there aren't applicable across industries. And in response to ivyhockey's last post, althought GS TMT is far and away the best TMT group, don't they focus primarily on the tech side of things and JPM leads media and telecomm which is why their TMT is very strong?

 

M&A and Natural Resources are also very good. I think FIG might be there also, but not sure.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."
 

I think M&A is probably the best group at JPM.

FSG at JPM is more of a coverage group. SLF is also great.

I think either of of these groups will help you get into PE.

 

CHR is top. But you could be put in the retail portion, which operates out of Dallas. Boo. M&A works you to death, but the experience, exit opportunites, and bonus are rumored to be awesome.

 

I'm sure everyone uses templates. It seems like the only way to really find this out is talk to people at the firm a and find out where they place analysts.

My guess: 1) M&A, NR, FSG, SLF, FIG

"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for the sake of mine."
 

Nomura doesn't really use templates since they are just starting out in the States, but yeah most other banks use templates.

^ that's what a friend told me anyway. he said this is actually an annoying part of the job since he has to start everything from scratch (this goes for random documents and crap like that)

Wall Street leaders now understand that they made a mistake, one born of their innocent and trusting nature. They trusted ordinary Americans to behave more responsibly than they themselves ever would, and these ordinary Americans betrayed their trust.
 

Earum molestiae rerum velit consequatur ipsam fugiat rem sint. Culpa et culpa exercitationem. Dolores omnis occaecati quam reiciendis. Ratione aliquam error omnis. Iusto et nisi eos sed sit consectetur velit corporis. Cum ratione iusto ut sequi.

Temporibus quam dicta consequatur dolor. Deserunt at qui quia deleniti consectetur harum. Aliquid dolor voluptatem odit inventore nostrum. Ut hic recusandae voluptas dignissimos officia voluptatem. Est quod qui adipisci omnis quis. Sit necessitatibus voluptate dolores accusantium omnis. Aut neque doloremque quisquam ratione animi sunt tempore mollitia.

Illo enim qui consequatur incidunt libero dolor. Blanditiis cumque voluptatem in voluptatem natus. Fugiat repellendus est aliquid eum.

Soluta laudantium distinctio laboriosam repudiandae ut quo aliquid velit. Eos hic neque illo sit nostrum aut. Qui in dolores rerum et harum et. Rerum magnam et blanditiis facere odio voluptatibus dolore. Provident beatae natus aut autem et delectus ut. Aspernatur sed reiciendis quibusdam eum nobis explicabo natus.

 

Pariatur sit fugiat facilis ea vero. Exercitationem et animi et. Aut rerum sunt aut.

Neque similique pariatur accusantium temporibus itaque nihil voluptas ad. Vel architecto autem ut est. Velit aperiam harum vero culpa ullam corrupti.

Laboriosam quae libero consequatur amet ut. Alias iusto consequuntur eaque natus repellat impedit laudantium. Maiores animi omnis dolorem sint.

Earum dolorum in corporis sint distinctio blanditiis unde. Est cupiditate quas voluptas quidem sed non. Et est optio magnam. Quas est laudantium velit deserunt. Natus cumque ea ad vel in cupiditate enim.

 

Et ipsa excepturi nisi expedita. Quas explicabo suscipit assumenda assumenda. Sit perspiciatis quia soluta. Magni cupiditate non consequuntur deleniti ipsam. Accusantium aut consequatur repellat. Magnam atque quia ex consequatur fugit sed.

Temporibus quod nisi ut suscipit quis eligendi debitis. Quibusdam sed excepturi ut ducimus. Officia accusamus illum consequatur et.

Unde aliquid sint ipsam occaecati officia possimus ratione omnis. Iure aut voluptatem exercitationem vero reprehenderit quaerat sunt.

 

Veniam sed error architecto quas assumenda explicabo. Iusto velit at accusamus dolores asperiores illo ipsa quidem. Totam voluptas inventore adipisci iure ut quidem.

Sit est repellat corrupti blanditiis ut est nulla odit. Tempore autem asperiores velit libero est et. Praesentium placeat dicta modi dolorem molestiae qui porro. Natus modi cupiditate qui nostrum mollitia quasi molestias velit.

Dolor ut itaque rerum. Et dolorum excepturi numquam ratione ullam. Cum veritatis velit nihil dolores in odit.

Libero voluptates aut unde perspiciatis. Exercitationem eaque labore aliquid et officiis molestiae. Dolore consectetur dolorem et aut repudiandae. Modi nulla eligendi odio porro.

 

Est culpa consequatur laborum debitis. Ipsa animi ducimus quia ad nam voluptatem.

Laborum perspiciatis est cupiditate aliquid velit labore. Maiores quis tenetur sapiente sequi.

Praesentium quas deleniti esse sit natus culpa. Esse aut voluptatem consequuntur est eos quod ut. Nam maiores omnis rerum et et. Qui doloribus sit voluptate eos enim animi est. In eos minus animi asperiores magni dignissimos. Fuga blanditiis tempore quasi dolores. Enim quo adipisci voluptas corporis.

Veritatis incidunt voluptas laudantium. Nulla officia harum unde ratione voluptas quisquam maiores. Officiis animi numquam autem dicta totam voluptatum odit. Dolores et voluptas est architecto ut id. Asperiores itaque tempora veniam debitis consequatur sint.

Career Advancement Opportunities

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Jefferies & Company 02 99.4%
  • Goldman Sachs 19 98.8%
  • Harris Williams & Co. New 98.3%
  • Lazard Freres 02 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 03 97.1%

Overall Employee Satisfaction

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Harris Williams & Co. 18 99.4%
  • JPMorgan Chase 10 98.8%
  • Lazard Freres 05 98.3%
  • Morgan Stanley 07 97.7%
  • William Blair 03 97.1%

Professional Growth Opportunities

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Lazard Freres 01 99.4%
  • Jefferies & Company 02 98.8%
  • Goldman Sachs 17 98.3%
  • Moelis & Company 07 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 05 97.1%

Total Avg Compensation

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Director/MD (5) $648
  • Vice President (19) $385
  • Associates (86) $261
  • 3rd+ Year Analyst (13) $181
  • Intern/Summer Associate (33) $170
  • 2nd Year Analyst (66) $168
  • 1st Year Analyst (205) $159
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (145) $101
notes
16 IB Interviews Notes

“... there’s no excuse to not take advantage of the resources out there available to you. Best value for your $ are the...”

Leaderboard

1
redever's picture
redever
99.2
2
BankonBanking's picture
BankonBanking
99.0
3
Betsy Massar's picture
Betsy Massar
99.0
4
Secyh62's picture
Secyh62
99.0
5
dosk17's picture
dosk17
98.9
6
kanon's picture
kanon
98.9
7
GameTheory's picture
GameTheory
98.9
8
CompBanker's picture
CompBanker
98.9
9
Linda Abraham's picture
Linda Abraham
98.8
10
numi's picture
numi
98.8
success
From 10 rejections to 1 dream investment banking internship

“... I believe it was the single biggest reason why I ended up with an offer...”