Big 4 First Year Salary and Bonus

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Does anyone have any info on big4 Transaction Services and Advisory salary for first years? In New York, I assume less thanl BB IB but is it even close? Cant find much info on it.

transaction advisory services starting salary and bonus

In the transaction advisory services area, starting analysts can expect to make $55 - $65 thousand. The bonus level should be expected to be around 5% - 20% for top performers. Our users shared their experiences below.

_bird_ - Corporate Finance Analyst:

i work in audit, but have direct knowledge of this. it depends on the firm, and the city, as there will be slight variations based on those factors, but i would expect 55-65k. Not sure about bonuses, but would not expect anything over 5%. the firms are also pulling back on sign-on bonuses, either reducing them or not offering them at all.

Kenny_Powers_CFA - Hedge Fund Analyst:

Depends on office/group/firm but generally 55-65k/0-10K bonus.

IUHoosier08 - Investment Banking Analyst:

Depends on office/group/firm but generally 55-65k/0-10K bonus.

TodaysTomSawyer:

Around 60-65k for a first year associate, bonuses have been up to 20% in the past, however you need to be a top performer, and I mean a superstar. Normal performers can prob. expect around 5-10%. There are other types of variable comp. too (i.e. utilization bonuses which can yield an additional 2-10% on top of year end bonus.)

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User @IUHoosier08 shared details for MBA or experienced level hires:

IUHoosier08 - Investment Banking Analyst:

That's for a first year associate. If you're going straight through and getting an MBA and starting as an associate you may get a few thousand more, but not much. If you're coming in as an experienced hire it's much different (probably 80K senior, 100K manager)

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Comments (44)

Apr 7, 2011

I've read tops 60k in ny, but bonus is nothing like ib

Apr 7, 2011

Depends on office/group/firm but generally 55-65k/0-10K bonus.

Longer thread:
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/2011-pwc-sta...

Apr 7, 2011

i work in audit, but have direct knowledge of this. it depends on the firm, and the city, as there will be slight variations based on those factors, but i would expect 55-65k. Not sure about bonuses, but would not expect anything over 5%. the firms are also pulling back on sign-on bonuses, either reducing them or not offering them at all.

**Started my post before Kenny's was there***

Apr 7, 2011

I started in Big 4 transaction advisory...salary is probably 57-60; bonus 1500-3000

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Apr 7, 2011
ekudekud:

Something like $4000 a year with like a ice cream coupon as your bonus. Get ready to be a bum and clean the shoes of real bankers for a living.

You are a complete douchebag and you add zero value or insight in 99% of the posts you make. Additionally, why are you commenting on salaries and bonuses as a college student?

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Apr 7, 2011

Would the $55-60K be the same number for an MBA or is that a strict starting salary period? Just curious...

Apr 7, 2011
kcarps999:

Would the $55-60K be the same number for an MBA or is that a strict starting salary period? Just curious...

That's for a first year associate. If you're going straight through and getting an MBA and starting as an associate you may get a few thousand more, but not much. If you're coming in as an experienced hire it's much different (probably 80K senior, 100K manager)

Apr 7, 2011
IUHoosier08:
kcarps999:

Would the $55-60K be the same number for an MBA or is that a strict starting salary period? Just curious...

That's for a first year associate. If you're going straight through and getting an MBA and starting as an associate you may get a few thousand more, but not much. If you're coming in as an experienced hire it's much different (probably 80K senior, 100K manager)

Cool thanks man, much appreciated!

Apr 7, 2011

Around 60-65k for a first year associate, bonuses have been up to 20% in the past, however you need to be a top performer, and I mean a superstar. Normal performers can prob. expect around 5-10%. There are other types of variable comp. too (i.e. utilization bonuses which can yield an additional 2-10% on top of year end bonus.)

Of course this isn't comparable to IB comp., but you have more of an existence/life outside of work, even if it's less so than audit.

Also important to note that the starting salary for this sort of position was MUCH higher before 08. The exit ops are still pretty good regardless.

Apr 7, 2011

Exit op = mcdonalds or 40k finance job at dunder mifflin

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Apr 7, 2011
boutiquebank4life:

Exit op = mcdonalds or 40k finance job at dunder mifflin

Hey working at dunder mifflin with will ferrell as a boss would be awesome...thanks for your insight, i have to say that probably nobody here knew that investment bankers make more than accountants so really thanks for clearing that up...cock

Apr 7, 2011

From close friends in big4.

First year for my friends were all between 62-70K.
Bonuses between 8-15K

That was first year. For the person that said seniors make 80K that may be true in some cases, but my friend who is a second year associate is making 80K. Managers are making more along the lines of 120-150K before bonuses.

Apr 7, 2011
theATL:

From close friends in big4.

First year for my friends were all between 62-70K.
Bonuses between 8-15K

That was first year. For the person that said seniors make 80K that may be true in some cases, but my friend who is a second year associate is making 80K. Managers are making more along the lines of 120-150K before bonuses.

Sorry man, but they are for sure lying to you. Regardless of how close you think you guys are. I can prove it. Ask them to see their pay stubs =P (kidding). In Toronto, I know for a FACT (after speaking with the HR Director at my firm) that the salary range for a 'senior' is 55-90K. Very few of them are at the top end, and most are around the 65-75 range by the time they're promoted to Manager. They normally get bumped to 85K when this happens. For staff level, bonuses are CAPPED at 5%, and for senior, they're capped at 10% of base. So a 15K bonus is out of the question. This is all for non consulting (audit tax etc.) and if you start at the firm after college and just work your way up. Of course if you lateral in, there's a much less rigid structure.

Apr 7, 2011
manbearpig:
theATL:

From close friends in big4.

First year for my friends were all between 62-70K.
Bonuses between 8-15K

That was first year. For the person that said seniors make 80K that may be true in some cases, but my friend who is a second year associate is making 80K. Managers are making more along the lines of 120-150K before bonuses.

Sorry man, but they are for sure lying to you. Regardless of how close you think you guys are. I can prove it. Ask them to see their pay stubs =P (kidding). In Toronto, I know for a FACT (after speaking with the HR Director at my firm) that the salary range for a 'senior' is 55-90K. Very few of them are at the top end, and most are around the 65-75 range by the time they're promoted to Manager. They normally get bumped to 85K when this happens. For staff level, bonuses are CAPPED at 5%, and for senior, they're capped at 10% of base. So a 15K bonus is out of the question. This is all for non consulting (audit tax etc.) and if you start at the firm after college and just work your way up. Of course if you lateral in, there's a much less rigid structure.

agree with this post above. i work in big 4 audit. I know what people get paid. not sure why people are reporting inflated numbers. at each respective level (staff, senior, manager, etc) TAS folks (financial due dilligence, transaction services, valuation, etc) have salary approximately 10-20% higher than audit/tax. if the incoming audit/tax class is pulling around 50-55k to start, the TAS new hires are going to be around 60-65k at the highest. the only part i cannot speak to is bonuses for the TAS groups. the big 4 business model is not designed to give employees high (relative to finance/ibanking) cash compensation.

also, i know my firm is trying to get newly promoted audit managers back to $100k total comp (salary + bonus), because as mbp said, they have been around 85K for the past several years.

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Apr 7, 2011

It's pretty easy to find info on starting salary for the Big 4. Here is a pretty good link that lists starting salaries for the class of 2010 with location, year + position, education level, and bonus.

http://goingconcern.com/2010/08/starting-salaries-...

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Apr 7, 2011

mbp,

I am sorry that you don't believe me, and I understand why, but I can assure you that these facts are correct. One of the numbers I quoted is from my brother and he came to me for advice regarding the negotiation of his salary. So I know for a fact that 80K 2nd year associate is true. There is also no cap on the bonuses in the group he works at. Like I said I have solid numbers and I have seen as high as 70K and by seen I mean I have seen the actual contract. The numbers I am quoting are consulting/advisory.

Apr 7, 2011
theATL:

mbp,

I am sorry that you don't believe me, and I understand why, but I can assure you that these facts are correct. One of the numbers I quoted is from my brother and he came to me for advice regarding the negotiation of his salary. So I know for a fact that 80K 2nd year associate is true. There is also no cap on the bonuses in the group he works at. Like I said I have solid numbers and I have seen as high as 70K and by seen I mean I have seen the actual contract. The numbers I am quoting are consulting/advisory.

if it is D&T consulting, I can 100% believe it. D&T is the only big 4 firm with a true "consulting" practice that would be comparable to the MBB shops. I know D&T consulting new hires get $70K+ total comp.

outside of D&T consulting, the adivsory/consulting practices at big 4 firms (including D&T) consist of TAS (val, fdd, ts) which are "above" audit/tax and then other practices like, internal audit, IT audit, process improvement, data integrity, etc. which are on the same level as audit/tax in regards to comp.

if your buddy is in a non-D&T consulting role, and making that, I honestly don't know what to say or how that is possible. the big 4 firms are incredibly stingy when it comes to paying cash, and that person would have to be considered an extremely rare outlier that is not at all indicative of true circumstances.

Apr 7, 2011
<em>bird</em>:
theATL:

mbp,

I am sorry that you don't believe me, and I understand why, but I can assure you that these facts are correct. One of the numbers I quoted is from my brother and he came to me for advice regarding the negotiation of his salary. So I know for a fact that 80K 2nd year associate is true. There is also no cap on the bonuses in the group he works at. Like I said I have solid numbers and I have seen as high as 70K and by seen I mean I have seen the actual contract. The numbers I am quoting are consulting/advisory.

if it is D&T consulting, I can 100% believe it. D&T is the only big 4 firm with a true "consulting" practice that would be comparable to the MBB shops. I know D&T consulting new hires get $70K+ total comp.

outside of D&T consulting, the adivsory/consulting practices at big 4 firms (including D&T) consist of TAS (val, fdd, ts) which are "above" audit/tax and then other practices like, internal audit, IT audit, process improvement, data integrity, etc. which are on the same level as audit/tax in regards to comp.

if your buddy is in a non-D&T consulting role, and making that, I honestly don't know what to say or how that is possible. the big 4 firms are incredibly stingy when it comes to paying cash, and that person would have to be considered an extremely rare outlier that is not at all indicative of true circumstances.

Agree with this. D&T consulting he could be making 80K as a 2nd year, don't think it's possible with any other practice in any firm.

Apr 7, 2011
theATL:

mbp,

I am sorry that you don't believe me, and I understand why, but I can assure you that these facts are correct. One of the numbers I quoted is from my brother and he came to me for advice regarding the negotiation of his salary. So I know for a fact that 80K 2nd year associate is true. There is also no cap on the bonuses in the group he works at. Like I said I have solid numbers and I have seen as high as 70K and by seen I mean I have seen the actual contract. The numbers I am quoting are consulting/advisory.

Ok I concede. Maybe it can be wildly different from city to city. They're really rigid about salaries here. Not in the consulting practice, but in the audit/tax stuff.

Apr 7, 2011

sad u guys are in big 4, enjoy mediocrity

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Apr 7, 2011
boutiquebank4life:

sad u guys are in big 4, enjoy mediocrity

sad that you'll die alone, enjoy loneliness

Apr 7, 2011
ekudekud:
manbearpig:
boutiquebank4life:

sad u guys are in big 4, enjoy mediocrity

sad that you'll die alone, enjoy loneliness

Enjoy making assumptions about people so you feel less bad about your shitty life.

Oh wait, you're doing that already. ;)

True sign of someone who's jelly.

You enjoy being on boutiquebank4life's cock all day?

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Apr 7, 2011

I'd say 1st years in Big4 advisory take 60 to 90 all-in, PwC and Deloitte on the higher end and KPMG (never take a job with them) / E&Y (also stay away) on the lower end. First year IB analyst takes what, 120 to 150 all-in? Not even close, but it makes sense given the business model and transaction value you're adding.

Big4 is a nice place to start out but if your ultimate goal is IB I'd say away... the only ex-accountants I see in banking are restructuring guys and I have met very few of them.

Apr 7, 2011
Solidarity:

I'd say 1st years in Big4 advisory take 60 to 90 all-in, PwC and Deloitte on the higher end and KPMG (never take a job with them) / E&Y (also stay away) on the lower end. First year IB analyst takes what, 120 to 150 all-in? Not even close, but it makes sense given the business model and transaction value you're adding.

Big4 is a nice place to start out but if your ultimate goal is IB I'd say away... the only ex-accountants I see in banking are restructuring guys and I have met very few of them.

You're full of shit. 1st year in advisory your salary will all be the same across the big 4 (for same city and group, i.e. TAS New York). Bonuses will be slightly different but 1st years aren't getting close to 90K.

Apr 7, 2011
IUHoosier08:
Solidarity:

I'd say 1st years in Big4 advisory take 60 to 90 all-in, PwC and Deloitte on the higher end and KPMG (never take a job with them) / E&Y (also stay away) on the lower end. First year IB analyst takes what, 120 to 150 all-in? Not even close, but it makes sense given the business model and transaction value you're adding.

Big4 is a nice place to start out but if your ultimate goal is IB I'd say away... the only ex-accountants I see in banking are restructuring guys and I have met very few of them.

You're full of shit. 1st year in advisory your salary will all be the same across the big 4 (for same city and group, i.e. TAS New York). Bonuses will be slightly different but 1st years aren't getting close to 90K.

70k, 5k sign-on, performance, 80-90k.

Apr 7, 2011
Solidarity:
IUHoosier08:
Solidarity:

I'd say 1st years in Big4 advisory take 60 to 90 all-in, PwC and Deloitte on the higher end and KPMG (never take a job with them) / E&Y (also stay away) on the lower end. First year IB analyst takes what, 120 to 150 all-in? Not even close, but it makes sense given the business model and transaction value you're adding.

Big4 is a nice place to start out but if your ultimate goal is IB I'd say away... the only ex-accountants I see in banking are restructuring guys and I have met very few of them.

You're full of shit. 1st year in advisory your salary will all be the same across the big 4 (for same city and group, i.e. TAS New York). Bonuses will be slightly different but 1st years aren't getting close to 90K.

70k, 5k sign-on, performance, 80-90k.

Except 70K is 10k too high, and 1st years aren't getting more than a 10% bonus, if any bonus. More like 60+5+5. Back in the glory days of Big 4 advisory (06-08) you might see 20% bonuses, but those days are gone.

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Apr 7, 2011

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Apr 7, 2011
boutiquebank4life:

Yea he MAD n JELLY

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Apr 7, 2011

I've heard of people with extensive experience leverage it for the extra cash, or even those who negotiated up to that.

I don't see why you're getting so angry about it

Apr 7, 2011
Solidarity:

I've heard of people with extensive experience leverage it for the extra cash, or even those who negotiated up to that.

I don't see why you're getting so angry about it

Because you're full of shit - I thought I said that already

This kid was asking for information, 5 people gave him legitimate answers and then you came in with your bullshit 60-90 range acting like you know what you're talking about. First years in big 4 (like in banking) are commodities, they'll tell you to take your "extensive experience" and shove it up your ass, then hire the next kid on their list.

Apr 11, 2011

I know for tax its 55 at EY, not sure for advisory

Apr 11, 2011

Thank God I was smart enough to get into high finance. The numbers in this thread are discouraging.

Apr 12, 2011

Wow you think thats discouraging....starting salary in Dublin is EU21,500 ($31,000).

Also as there's no IB's here thats were a lot of the top grads go.......Ireland is well and truly fvcked!!!

Apr 7, 2011

No, I have met people getting 60k (base, no bonus or any kind) as well as those with 90 all-in. I'm sorry that you feel personally offended... if it makes you feel any better I agree that the majority fall within the 70-75 range.

Apr 11, 2011

i dont think they take 90 in all. I know i had a friend who was offered 55K for KPMG advisory. so with bonus lets say 10, 65K ALL IN

Apr 14, 2011

Some of my friends lie about their salaries to make themselves feel better compared to IB. I know this one dude who is working for BAML Risk say his sign on was 15k and base was 75k LOL. This was right after I told him the general range of my salary.

Apr 7, 2011
Malakari:

Some of my friends lie about their salaries to make themselves feel better compared to IB. I know this one dude who is working for BAML Risk say his sign on was 15k and base was 75k LOL. This was right after I told him the general range of my salary.

I have trouble with the sign-on part, but usually base salaries in risk are way higher than they are in IB. It's because people in risk are usually more educated (in terms of advanced degrees). The people from my MFE who went into risk groups at banks are making anywhere from 80K to 90K base. But their bonuses are capped at 30%, and realistically they will get around 20%. And this is all in Toronto. I imagine in NYC it should be more.

Apr 14, 2011

i can say from experience ( i worked for one) and my dad has worked for a different big 4 for over 25 years and runs one of their major offices that the numbers thrown around are right for salary, but bonus is a joke. You join these places for a guaranteed minimum at the expense of a maximum. which is why i left.

Apr 14, 2011

It varies, but friends of mine are making around $70k. You're in NYC though, so your dollars don't go nearly as far.

Apr 14, 2011

I highly doubt it can beat $80k in a low cost of living city. Unless you really want to move to NYC it seems like a bad choice.

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