co-worker that never listens to other people?
I'm in an interesting situation where I'm always, always put on projects with this other analyst who never listens to other people (here I mean fellow analysts and sometimes associates) and only does things she thinks are right.
For example, when we are writing pitchbooks,
She would ask me: hey did you finish your part, wanna consolidate?
Me: sure.
She: okay send it to me.
She: hey your part on XYZ is not what we want. I'll re-write it.
Me: okay ?
We have had arguments before, and I don't think it's worth it since this kind of writing is very subjective. It is not like 1 + 1 = 2. I choose to give this colleague some "freedom" so I don't need to listen to someone bugging me for 20 minutes telling me why her way of writing is better.
What would you do ?
How many comments do you get on the things she re-writes? Is she complaining to your boss about how she always has to redo your work? If there aren't any negative side effects to her doing it her way, then I wouldn't bother arguing. If there are, then you definitely need to nip this in the bud.
From what I remember, when she re-writes stuff sometimes she gets comments on that --- although I'm the one "getting" comments on the surface since the Associate thought I wrote it. Sometimes not. She gets quite a few comments on her own sections. Consolidating her slides is always a nightmare because of formatting issues.
I don't THINK she complains anything to my associate, at least not that I'm aware of. Our group has a good culture and I BELIEVE no one stabs each other's back. I could be wrong though.
One last point: another Associate, who likes working with me (and vice versa), also thinks this said analyst is hard to work with.
Got it. This is very much a political situation, you may want to raise it with her as well so that she understands. You can be friendly, but you don't want her potentially poor work ruining your reputation.
I've worked with analysts like this - I believe they feel under extreme stress to perform, and really start doing tasks that are not necessary. Very annoying.
I'm assuming your both similar positions / year joined.
I would just let them do whatever. If it happens occasionally, or if it's all the time.
Either way, this is more the responsibility of the VP/Associate.
Thanks both.
She also likes to deny things she has said, even when I could SEE the messages exchanged since they are in my phone.
She gets staffed on deals because my group does a lot of healthcare and she studied biochemistry, kind of the only person who can TRY to understand client products.
Anyways I wouldn't worry about. Are you always staffed with her? She shouldn't be rewriting text IMO.
As you get more experience, you'll learn to not let some of these people get under your skin. Staffing is always a bit random in my experience.
Yes, I'm almost always staffed with her. Fwiw, among the 4 analysts in my group, she and I are the more capable ones.
I see. Thanks again. Our Associate doesn't really know about this. Don't want to raise it because it will probably look bad on me.
If you both are same level (or within 6 months) - it’s likely just stress on her part- don’t take it personal.
I came a bit early than she did, but yeah we are both analysts. I'm ~6 months and she's less.
why tf are you getting cross-staffed with another first year
Because the organizational structure is weird, people are significantly underpaid and a lot of people jumped ship.
Save your rider with your initials so there is a paper trail. When she offers to consolidate, tell her you can drop your slides in the master once she’s out so you can take another look then you can hop on the phone to go over the flow together. She will feel awkward making changes to every word when she has to explain why she did it.
Also choose your battles, if it is internal or still 1-3 draft, let her do it and then do your thing in the next draft. If she is absolutely not giving you space, tell her I understand where you’re coming from. We can add it and check with associate his thoughts as well. When all three are on a call, say what do you think about x? Wanna write y or z? Just trying to think how to best word it( without mentioning her name at all). If she is wrong and someone else says so too, there is a good chance this will shut her up. It is so tricky being upfront when someone from your same analyst class. You just need to put them in their place if it persists
Thanks, helpful.
My gut tells me, like PaintingDry said, she feels an enormous mount of pressure to perform since she has the least experience among the analyst class. All the other are lateral hires even though I only have <1 yr of experience. She is a fresh med school graduate who doesn't understand finance at all.
I had an associate like that. You can try to help in a very non-threatening way. Call her and explain if there are things that you know that she won’t know and try to convey that “we all don’t know many things” or I’m sharing this with you in case helpful. Especially with junior people, try to offer help as much as you can, it will really pay off. She seems hardworking regardless, once she gets more experience she could be your best friend.
I agree.
One thing I often do is, if I don't think something is necessary, I won't create extra work. This might sound ridiculous given I'm a 1st year analyst.
I had an interview once where the VP of the small boutique told me that as a VP he would probably tell me to do things I wouldn't want to do. I like tha in people.
Another thing is time commitment / work product ratio. This said co-workers like to spend 2-4 hours on something and then write 2-3 lines about it. IMO it's not worth it. 0.5-1 hour of research should suffice. She probably think I have a bad attitude that way, while I think her lack of efficiency creates unnecessary work, which is dumb.
What do you think ?
An acceptable circumstance for women to work is only if a woman is in financial need and her employment does not cause her to neglect her important role as a mother and wife. Inshallah, she will see the light and remove herself from this degenerate path.
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