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Jul 7, 2017

Just put youtube creator as an experience section

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Jul 12, 2017

Really? So I can post youtube videos and make it seem like I am special?

Jul 7, 2017

I participated in zero on campus activities and zero "extra-curriculars" and found a role in IB. However, it's worth noting that I've been working since I was 16 and have had 3 internships totaling about 25 months of work experience throughout my undergraduate career.

So it's not required but is highly recommended.

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Jul 12, 2017

How do you land internship when you're just 16? Like what did you do? where did you apply?

Jul 7, 2017

Lmao well that obviously wasn't an internship. Like part-time work. But those roles helped me land my first internship, and the next, and so on.

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Jul 11, 2017

I think it is important. I mean, they won't dinge you because you have no activities, but having one is a plus.
One of my friend got interviewed in the first place just because he was played fencing during the London Olympics.
Besides, some of the activities sometimes gives an idea of the type of person you are.

Oh no baby what it is you doin?

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Jul 11, 2017

Get involved in your local League of Legends / DOTA community.

LOLOLJK. Being a likable person is the most important thing. But its about who you are overall. Some have good grades, some don't. Some have extracurriculars, some don't. But everyone who breaks in has at least one highlight on their resume that is not shared by everyone.

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Jul 11, 2017

IMO varsity sports is huge.

Jul 11, 2017

not much of an opinion, kind of obvious

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Jul 11, 2017

At the DI level yes, but don't underestimate how much people give credit for even DIII sports (and how easily it is to draw on those experiences in interviews)

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Jul 11, 2017

It's certainly a plus if you have them. Basically, having looked at many LinkedIn profiles of newly hired analysts at GS and MS (London), most of them have been involved in interesting ECs since high school. If you are still in HS, like I am, you will be best off following their example.

Jul 12, 2017

Nice. I see that you use linked in. is it useful?

Jul 11, 2017

Yes, it really is useful. That being said, you need to know some people in the industry in order to use it effectively.

Jul 17, 2017

What the fuck is wrong with you people? How the fuck does GS get mentioned in literally every fucking thread?

Jul 11, 2017

Overrated

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Jul 11, 2017

It only helps rather than hurts. Although I have no real experience in IB (yet) I feel like it serves as a good talking point during an interview if the interviewer participated in the same activity. If you do multiple extracurriculars and have a high GPA that may show the person that is interviewing you that you have good time management skills and can succeed at the highest level even when busy.

Jul 12, 2017

thanks.

Jul 11, 2017

and also, that GS head of HR should work in marketing instead of investment banking. dont listen to her.

Jul 17, 2017

In my experience, it matters if it's something unique or something that connects with the interviewer (assuming you are actually qualified for the job in the first place).

Interviewing for a prestigious undergrad internship I had golf caddy on my resume, and since the VP I was interviewing with loved to play we literally spent 20 of the 30 minute interview talking about golf. I got the internship.

Recently for MBA internship recruiting I had sports analytics (meaning Fan Duel and Draft Kings)/poker on my resume and in one of my interviews I talked with a guy about this for like 15 minutes. I got that job.

You need to get a bit lucky and have something interesting, but it certainly won't hurt.

EDIT: If you're the type of loser who gets involved with things just b/c it will look good on a resume, then don't even bother. 95% of people, especially in finance, will see right through that shit and it will make you look worse than just not putting anything down, especially if they start asking you questions about the activity. Be a genuine, interesting person and not a robot.

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Jul 12, 2017

Divine

Jul 18, 2017

"Esports Industry Expert"

Jul 17, 2017

Unless you've won some legit competitions and/or prize money, then no. Becoming an "expert" by playing against 12yos while in your mom's basement will only make you look like a goon.

I've profited low 5-figures in daily fantasy, mid 5-figures back when online poker was technically legal, and I still play live poker for decent stakes and track all of my sessions. In my one interview I spoke to all these things and the guy was impressed. Even if it's not their cup of tea, people tend to respect activities like this when you have real skin in the game. E-gaming with nothing on the line and nothing to show for your time input will simply look sad to most people.

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Jul 19, 2017

ECs are like the icing on the cake. They are also good topics of conversation in the interview.

With that being said, if you have low stats, ECs seldom provide the boost needed to get there.

But, there are exceptions. If you meet an interviewer who is big into football and you're the captain at a major school, you could be sitting in a good place even with a 3.0 GPA.

My friend played soccer for Columbia U, had a 2.8 GPA, and met an interviewer in London for Deutsche Bank. Interviewer was soccer FANATIC, and he was hired on the spot for a position in Hong Kong, then Singapore. He's a VP there now.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

Jul 27, 2017
  • time as in free time, outside of work

More is good, all is better

Jul 27, 2017

do something different unique and not so cookie cutter tthat will set u apart from everyone else seeking to do the same.

Jul 27, 2017

http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/volunteering...
Argonaut -- See the above thread from a week or two ago.

Jul 27, 2017

Comp banker, thanks.
Do you know more about your friend's story? (and are you comfortable sharing)

More is good, all is better

Jul 27, 2017
Argonaut:

Comp banker, thanks.
Do you know more about your friend's story? (and are you comfortable sharing)

I do. I thought I gave all the salient details though. You're not allowed to copy my friend's idea. Get yer own!

Jul 27, 2017

I volunteer at a Women's Shelter. A little awkward at times considering I'm a man. I feel it does the kids I work with good to have a decent man in their life.

Jul 27, 2017

Wait until your parents leave on vacation. When they're gone, hire a prostitute. Over the course of the next week, develop a relationship with her, culminating in a party to help all your high school friends lose their virginity for a small fee. Outsmart said prostitute's pimp. Invite admissions reps from Princeton, they'll love it and appreciate your go-get-'em attitude and offer you admission to their school. I have faith in you, Argonaut

Jul 27, 2017
Denver Monkeyannabe:

Wait until your parents leave on vacation. When they're gone, hire a prostitute. Over the course of the next week, develop a relationship with her, culminating in a party to help all your high school friends lose their virginity for a small fee. Outsmart said prostitute's pimp. Invite admissions reps from Princeton, they'll love it and appreciate your go-get-'em attitude and offer you admission to their school. I have faith in you, Argonaut

Why would I wait for my parents to leave? If I'm going to be getting a hooker for my HS friends, the least I could do for my parents is get them one too. After all they raised me.

More is good, all is better

Jul 27, 2017

Risky Business is a solid movie. Pretty funny that Booger from Revenge of the Nerds is the smart cool friend giving Tom Cruise advice...

Jul 27, 2017

That's a very good point, I don't know your parents, but I'll leave that up to your good judgment ;)

Jul 27, 2017

Besides, your example would be good for undergrad or something. I'm planning to apply for MBA, I would probably need to do something like mastermind a hostile takeover of pimps business and build my pimping empire in the area. Ripping off a hooker - you are thinking too small lol

More is good, all is better

Jul 27, 2017

OR, go one step further and throw in an illegal weapons smuggling business in eastern Europe

Jul 27, 2017
Denver Monkeyannabe:

OR, go one step further and throw in an illegal weapons smuggling business in eastern Europe

No, SE Asia so you can achieve cost synergies on your drug sourcing.

Jul 27, 2017

Global expansion - now you are thinking.
Also a good area to export hookers from - human trafficking FTW!

More is good, all is better

Jul 27, 2017

Yes. Networking.

Jul 27, 2017

Networking is overrated. Yes, extracurriculars can outweigh GPA easily. Work experience matters more than GPA as well. I'm just speaking from personal experience based on the # of interviews I got despite my high GPA (a lot of people got more interviews with a lower GPA since I had weak experiences on my resume at the time).

A 3.1, however, is really low and may be under the cutoff GPA of many banks.

Jul 27, 2017

3.1 is shit unless you're at Princeton in which case it's not quite shit, just terrible. Your extracurriculars are great... it's going to be a crap shoot.

You're going to need good work experience to get a FT offer.

Jul 27, 2017

It can, if your resume isn't sent to the recycling bin during the initial screen.

Jul 27, 2017

Most banks have an explicit (or sometimes implicit) cut-off of at least 3.20 or 3.25. You should try to get a couple of A's to at least beat that bar...

If 3.25 isn't possible to attain, network your ass off to ensure you have some big-hitters at the bank really going to bat for you (i.e. literally e-mailing HR directly to put your name on the closed-lists for interviews at your Target school).

Leverage your frat and sports connections if you have to. If you play for the Yale's hockey team, make you sure find Yale alumni who used to play hockey and are now MDs at BBs.

Jul 27, 2017

Yeah you're going to have to take easy classes and kill them next semester to get your GPA at a level where it won't be taken out by a cutoff of 3.2 or 3.3. I remember even 3.5 being the cutoff for some internships...

Jul 27, 2017

Def try to position yourself for S&T because I-Banking is nerd central and you will need a high GPA to meet cutoff, while S&T is more "jocky."

hopefully you can network your way around this. Sports is a great topic of conversation in interviews/cold calls (and business in general) and sports alumni love helping out ambitious kids on the team. You can also spin it in interviews to say you have learned so much about teamwork, leadership, hard work (except in class i guess), failure, challenges, etc.

recruiters love athletes, espc for S&T, however I suspect that lots of athletes at Ivy's have pretty good grades.

Jul 27, 2017

you apply before you get you gpa updated from first semester marks, do you suggest putting in a projected gpa if you are confident

Jul 27, 2017

I had a similar GPA and my past work experience + ECs were enough to get me plenty of interviews. Once I was at the interviews, my GPA didn't matter and I had no problems getting a SA or FT position. The place I chose for full-time had a GPA cutoff of 3.4...I wasn't near that.

Polish your resume, network (athlete network at a top school should be great), and work on your interviewing skills. Being an athlete is going to be a huge differentiating factor. You will do great come recruiting.

Jul 27, 2017

If you know the right people there is no GPA cutoff. I think in general its bullshit because of grade inflation at some schools. At my school the average GPA was 2.85-2.90. If you had a 3.6 you were absolutely kicking ass where at some places that would be very average.

Jul 27, 2017

personally i didnt have the strongest GPA either but had really strong internship experiences throughout my 4 years of school. What I did was just not list my GPA on my resume period. Obviously in doing this you run the risk of people just assuming you don't have a strong GPA but many times if you have really strong work experience they might just give you a shot. This honestly worked great for me and I ended up landing 20+ interviews during on campus recruiting which culminated in 4 offers. During the interviews they get to see how eloquent and smart you are and half the time they didn't even ask me for my GPA. In some of the interviews they asked me why I didn't list my GPA and what my GPA was, in these cases I spun it in the following way...I would say that first of all I would want to work for a company that evaluated their candidates holistically and not just based on a single number as other characteristics are more indicate of future success and then I would tell them my GPA. Again in a lot of these cases they would ask why it was low and I would tell them the truth that I spent most of my freshman year partying, etc. but then caveated it by saying that even if I did have a strong GPA (which i had a good major GPA and great junior year one) that I would still not list it given the first point I brought up...it was hit or miss sometimes they saw right through the bullshit other times they moved me to final rounds based on how well the interview went, etc. 2 of the offers I had came from situations like this while 2 offers came from situations where they never even asked for my GPA.

So to answer your question I think it's definitely possible to overcome a bad GPA with great work experience & ECs...that said I personally would suggest going with my approach as it may allow you to get some interviews with firms that have stricter cut offs just based on what you've done for work experience and ECs. It can be risky but like I said in my case it worked out...I may be an exception but it may not hurt to try this approach.

Jul 27, 2017

from what i've noticed, alumni association from MBA profiles, alumni association involvement is looked upon very favorably by adcoms, especially if you have a leadership role.

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?

Jul 27, 2017

No, you need to rebuild your understanding of the role extra curricular activities plays on your cv and job application.
It is not about the president title, it is about the work you have done in school beside the academic ones to show your other strength. Being a president does not hurt, but that's not too important. Join some club in the area which is not much related to your major, courses, to make yourself a more all-around candidate.

"I already know I'm going to Hell. So, at this point it's go big or go home"

Jul 27, 2017

If you can tell a story about it, it's a good EC. If they're going to look at your resume and ask you about it, and all you can come up with is "I figured it would look good on paper," then don't do it.

Jul 27, 2017

no no thats not what i meant.. i know that doing research will help me a lot cause i will learn a lot...I was wondering which one which look better for getting a job next year..

Jul 27, 2017
howard:

no no thats not what i meant.. i know that doing research will help me a lot cause i will learn a lot...I was wondering which one which look better for getting a job next year..

RA = TA > Tutor

Jul 27, 2017

yeah its stressed, this is why you have your bs skills and can talk about all the things you do as a leader without having held the titled position right?

Jul 27, 2017

if your past internships/work experience show some leadership, and you can answer the leadership question, you're fine

Jul 27, 2017

great question, i do leadership work in h.s, and look to continue in college, i def. think it helps for every employment opportunity.

Jul 27, 2017

GeneralThade, are you really in high school?

Jul 27, 2017

I have zero extra-curricular activities and had no problems getting interviews (and ultimately a FT offer). That said, I had (in my opinion) better work experience than most of the competition at my school. In my case, I think my work experience helped fill the extra-curricular void.

Jul 27, 2017

2 GeneralThade, wtf are you doing here? Go bang a cheerleader or something...

Jul 27, 2017

I think you should do what you are passionate about. The success of a club or society that you start because you have a genuine interest will be far greater than the success of something you start purely for application purposes.

That said, if you intend on applying to business school, one would assume that you have a genuine interest in business related things and a Business Club would probably address those interests...

Jul 27, 2017
al865149:

I think you should do what you are passionate about. The success of a club or society that you start because you have a genuine interest will be far greater than the success of something you start purely for application purposes.

That said, if you intend on applying to business school, one would assume that you have a genuine interest in business related things and a Business Club would probably address those interests...

Thank you for your advise and any further advise. I am passionate about a variety of things and I would enjoy doing all of them. Now since I cannot do all of them, due to time restrictions, I will filter my passions which will serve a dual purpose 1) Pursuing my passion 2) Impact on my career.

I will not do anything purely for resume, but because I am passionate about it as well as because it helps my career.

About the Business School Club, I am confused whether the Business School will prefer a candidate who is involved in a wide variety of things or some one who is focused. Please elaborate further on why B-School club over forums or Blood Camps or Running Club or a combination of them.

Jul 27, 2017

Come on , someone would have some experience with societies and clubs. Please advice.