Girl Investment Bankers - Any tips?

Prospect in IB-M&A

I'm starting my IB summer analyst stint next summer and I was wondering if any of you fellow bankers had any advice on how to be successful in the field, how to prep well before the job, and how to get a return offer.

I wanted to know about specific experiences that other girl bankers - everything from where you buy your professional clothes, to how to make the most out of your experience. I don't see many girls on this forum so I hope I get a few replies lol

Comments (149)

Controversial
May 25, 2020

Don't feel like you are being judged differently or especially don't think they will take it easier on you. Work as hard as others and don't take anything for gratned. All of this diversity stuff should not be taken one way or the other. You earned your spot like everyone else and need to prove why you deserve to be there just like everyone else. There will always be people who might go harder or easier on you because you are a female but as long as you try your best, you can prove them wrong or right.

Take time to meet with all of the female bankers in your group. They will provide guidance on how to navigate this male-driven field. Have quite a few female mentors who have guided others in undersatnding how to best navigate things.

Be upfront about your commitments but keep in mind, that people will judge you but you have to manage their expectations. This does not mean you can go out to your Barry's class for three hours in teh evening and not be responsive. Don't walk around barefoot in the office or go out for the weekend without access to email. I've interned and worked with people who have done this and it is not a good lok, my friend. They did not get offers or did somehow because they wre really good otherwise.

The best bankers in my group are all female (regardless of the position they are in: whether analysts, associates or MDs) so please remember you have what it takes to succeed in this field and a support network of other females in your group who can help you out!!!

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  • Intern in IB-M&A
May 25, 2020

bro i can never tell if you makin shit up or not

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May 25, 2020

Do you disagree with my advice? Let me know if so.

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  • Intern in IB - Ind
May 25, 2020

"the best bankers in my group are all female"

I haven't eye-rolled that hard in a while homie

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May 26, 2020

I actually mean it though...

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Funniest
May 25, 2020

I think I said this in response to another one of your posts. If I wasn't clear, let me reiterate:

SIMP

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May 26, 2020

Oh, I'm a big SIMP. Will do anything for everyone. BUT that is why I am the top bucket analyst. All the juniors make fun of me but the seniors love me to death. I regularly get called out by the seniors on my pefroamcne.

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May 26, 2020

how did that word get so popular recently

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May 30, 2020

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May 30, 2020

Man enough to say "SIMP". Not RP enough to say "CUCK"

smh smh smh

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  • Associate 1 in IB - Ind
May 26, 2020

are you high?

May 26, 2020

Everything I said makes sense, no?

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May 26, 2020

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May 26, 2020

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May 26, 2020

I am trying to contribute and you turn to barking at me? I am a lion and you're going to hear me roar:

ROAR ROAR ROAR

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May 27, 2020

SB if you think the best analysts are females, MS if you disagree

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May 27, 2020

Go away. No one invited you.

May 29, 2020

hey fuck this guy

Buying tesla weeklies is literally free money.

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May 25, 2020

Feel free to PM me with any direct questions. Don't overthink the girl angle and take your job seriously. You'll do great!

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Jun 3, 2020

tru dat! sb +1

Most Helpful
May 25, 2020

I heard a great quote from Oprah:
Master Your Craft. Become so skilled, so vigilant, so flat out faaaaantastic, at what you do that your talent cannot be dismissed.
I think that's pretty much the goal, and add your personality/communication skills to it.
Smile and be confident - watch the guys, they are not backing down. You don't need to be aggressive, but take your seat at the table. Volunteer when asked, pitch in, offer to help, ask to do XYZ because you haven't had a chance to yet. Power pose ; )
Don't complain or gossip at all. At. All. Not in the office. If you hate everything and everyone, tell your friends or parents. Don't breathe a word to anyone, you do not know who you can trust. I repeat, you think but you do not know who you can trust.
Not going to tell you what to wear, but whatever you choose to show, know that it will be seen. Know what I mean? It's your call. Times have changed, as has fashion...but evolution has not caught up.
Prep: If you can do a modeling course, and/or check out Macabacus learning...Wall Street Prep has a great Excel Crash Course and in particular, Advanced PPT course - excellent prep. Read the papers, know in general what's up with the markets so if it comes up casually you are able to participate.
If you have any opportunity for friendly professional banter with anyone more senior, smile and take the opportunity. It's always safe to ask someone about their kids, what sports or activities they do, what they're up to for the summer.
These days it's hard to buy professional clothes - Lord & Taylor, Bloomingdales are decent. I used to shop in NYC at smaller boutiques or Century 21 downtown on lunch or late afternoon. I'd say a few well-tailored (and get them tailored if possible) slacks and blouses, pencil skirts and nice blouses are great, one or two blazers and a sweater that you can interchange with anything. I personally have a problem (e.g. addiction/obsession) with designer shoes and I am already tall but I love high heels and meeting the guys eye to eye, or towering over them ; )
A nice roomy black tote bag so you're super organized and walking into and out of the office looking crisp. Black because they get dirty. This brand Cuyana has beautiful ones and you can get an insert to organize stuff - because it becomes a big jumble and you're looking for your Metropass and the train is there...etc.

A lot of people use a small leather-covered notebook with a pageholder ribbon to keep things organized - maybe wait and see if others at your shop use them. I think they look like you're on top of things.

Perception is reality. An organized, clean desk with your personal items (shoes, bag) tucked out of sight is a good look. For the summer, anything personal do on your phone or tablet. I'd really (!!) stay away from using your work computer for any searches not work-related. You're being scrutinized for a couple of weeks - be on your best behavior so to speak. See what others do, but try to take calls somewhere private, or at lunch. This is all assuming you're in an office and not WFH, of course.

Very excited for you. Best of luck and please keep us posted.

  • Prospect in IB-M&A
May 25, 2020

You're incredible!!! Thank you so much for this valuable advice. I will keep you updated :)

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  • Intern in IB - Ind
May 25, 2020

This is some great advice - thank you!

For the part about clothes in particular, what is the best way to go for someone at a smaller shop where they're the only female on the floor (other than the HR woman 3+ decades older than me)? Per your point about about evolution not keeping up, I've struggled thus far with finding a balance between the more conservative vs the still very professional but slightly more stylish clothes that are more form-fitting / that show my figure a bit more. Since there's no other females my age, I haven't had anyone else to look to in the office to gauge what's best

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May 25, 2020

I think what I meant about evolution is that men are still going to look at whatever you reveal...boys are boys, 2020 or 1980. I mean, I look at my old sheath dress suits and they were hella short. Hella. That was the fashion and I once looked at my thigh in a meeting when I'd crossed my legs and saw my thigh-high hose and laughed, I knew every guy in the room had seen it. I'd been there a few years at the time and they were like my brothers, but still. I made sure that didn't happen again.

I'm only making the point that it's naive to think you are not garnering attention with how you dress.

I also was the only woman (I loved it, the guys were great). Nothing to fear. The couple women around will be the most judgmental...that's just how it goes. Please - don't confide in them - keep it friendly but really professional. Their opinions will likely be part of decisions about you, even if their input is indirect.

So, I'd say fitted and fashionable is totally great and nothing to be afraid of at all! You can show off your physique in that way - it's like modest yet shows confidence. Tight, very short, cleavage, perfume-y, big hair, big makeup, noticeable jewelry is where it gets dicey. I think you get it and not likely that's your style. Fashionable and fitted are fine - but if the blouse is colorful, the pencil skirt/trousers are beautiful tailored not too embellished. I also love dresses - one and done - I have a couple navy/blue/black sleeveless sheaths, even one that's...ummm...geranium (red/orange)...can't miss me in that. But they are knee or longer. I really don't like the open toe spike-heeled sandal look for a Wall St type place. That's also kind of too much. I know younger women wear them - it kind of screams marketing/HR/Admin girl. You are not that girl. You are Louboutin 100's patent pump girl, if you must go super-sexy.

May 26, 2020

This is good advice (ignore the first poster). SB'ed.

May 26, 2020

I'm trying to contribute in a meanningful way. I'm not saying something you disagree with, no?

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Jun 2, 2020

thank you so much!!! super useful

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May 25, 2020

Agree with the above comments. Find female mentors when you first join as i've noticed women are typically harder on other women for some reason.. mentors will certainly help.

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  • Prospect in IB-M&A
May 26, 2020

What's a good way to go about finding a female mentor? Could I just ask one of the associates in my group to grab coffee (whenever that is possible again), or try to walk to get lunch with them and build a relationship that way? Or some other approach I'm not thinking of?

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May 26, 2020

Exactly. Casual and appreciative. Not sure what's cool now, but maybe you can speak or Zoom.
I've worked remotely from all the interns, who were in our HQ. They would just ask to schedule a call. At my shop we were actually assigned mentees, which is nice and I think more shops should do it. We'd have bimonthly check ins, some people spoke weekly to their formal mentor - time to ask all kinds of questions, even technical.
I'd shoot to keep it to 15 minutes unless the other person is leading.

May 25, 2020

Firstly, don't think you have anything to prove because you're a female. Maybe I'm spoiled (in a very very diverse group, both gender-wise and race-wise...), but I think the industry has evolved quite a bit from the days where maybe a woman might have felt like she is part of the out group. Fully agree with the idea of finding female mentorship, but don't expect a fellow female to take you under her wing just because you're a female! Lastly, there definitely is a balance between being expressive with your clothing choice and being ultra conservative. You will probably be the topic of gossip if you dress too provocatively (unfortunately), but no one cares if you are super stylish or the complete opposite. Do whatever makes you happy and let your work speak for itself.

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May 27, 2020

agree but what do you mean unfortunately? it should be that way in a business setting and that's a good thing to have self-control or modesty when it comes to dealing with others right?

no animosity just wondering what you meant by that

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May 28, 2020

Unfortunately as in you will be talked about in unkind / inappropriate ways. There are stories of a summer intern on my floor who dressed like she was going out on Friday rather than like she was headed to the office. Rather than someone pulling her aside and letting her know she should be more cognizant of her attire (which admittedly is awkward enough), the "boys" just made vulgar jokes about her behind her back. That's the unfortunate scenario I'm referring to. I guess the moral of the story is that you won't always have someone there to have your back, but I also don't want to paint the picture that banking is as much of a dog-eat-dog world as media paints it to be.

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May 25, 2020

Good post detailing different stores to shop at, that's not super outdated: https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/ib-women-wh...

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May 26, 2020

Rent the Runway Unlimited is also a great option if your office leans towards casual and you need suits/dresses for meetings.

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May 26, 2020

Best advice is the few folks above saying don't overthink it. There will be people telling you that its harder as a female and others saying that its easier. In small ways, I've seen both sides be correct, i.e. I've known female bankers who found it a little challenging in the boys club at times, and I've known others who were given minor preferential treatment for being female in some situations.

But neither is a big deal. Ignore all the noise, you're going to be more or less treated the same.

May 26, 2020

Be chill and approachable. Yes find female mentors, and take advantage of the diversity events that will be female only. They're a great way to meet the higher up women that are normally very busy. Ask the associates and analysts out to coffee. The higher up VPs and MDs will usually take you guys out to lunch sometime. Don't try and infringe on their time more than that.

Don't shy away from finding male mentors either. Everyone is very open to interns. Grab coffee with them too.

Work hard, make sure to have your technicals down. You won't get any leeway on performance for being female.

Ann Taylor, Banana Republic, and J. Crew are great, especially when they have sales. Everything is super affordable.

No one will really care if you repeat outfits. The guys literally wear the same thing every two-three days. They're not really in a position to judge. I was way more self-conscious of fashion than I needed to be, although dressing nice is always a plus.

No one will care if you always carry the same bag. I used the same Longchamp my entire summer. I actually prefer them over nicer bags because they're fabric and washable. You don't need to worry about scraping them or anything, not the way you do with a Celine or a Mansur Gavriel.

There are divided opinions on heels. I didn't wear them at all and stuck to a rotation of flats in neutral colors (Nordstrom, Lord & Taylor outlet). Again, the guys don't really care (at least I don't think). Keep a pair of heels at your desk if you'd like. It was also common practice for everyone to keep a pair of sneakers at their desks.

Keep a blazer in the office.

The guys will talk sports. Constantly. If you follow a sport, definitely join in. No need to follow every sport, but maybe follow one or two that you're personally interested in.

You'll have pressure to drink, but no one will force you to binge drink. Ironically, I got the most pressure from other females to drink.

Smile, a lot. Yeah, it's not fair that we have to smile, and it's not fair that we're told to smile, but it works and not everything is fair.

Best of luck!

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May 26, 2020

Guys care enough to notice who is waering heels and who is not. Honestly, we dont' care if you're a girl and you dress normally. Youre not trying to mipress us by wearing heels all the time. Maybe have heels under your desk in case you want to bust them out one day but otherwise, not an issue.

Don't have to smile all the time either. Just don't have a disgusted look on your face all the time. Ok to have the resting face (not RBF though)

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  • Investment Analyst in PE - Other
May 26, 2020

Who are you? And where are these opinions from?

May 26, 2020

No one is trying to impress guys by wearing heels. Some people (men and women) think heels are more professional than flats. I don't think they are much more professional, at least not enough to warrant wearing every day. That was the point I was trying to convey.

May 27, 2020
richard_3:

(not RBF though)

Something tells me @richard_3" has resting bitch face from his lack of testosterone

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  • Associate 3 in IB-M&A
May 27, 2020

Man, you really confuse me with your posts.

One of my closest friends at work is a female banker and I have never noticed if she was wearing heels or not (so we don't care). I work in a group that is pretty chill so we really don't give a shit about anything but performance so that may help.

May 27, 2020

Recommend reading books written by Carla Harris - Vice Chairman, Managing Director and Senior Client Advisor at Morgan Stanley. One of the best imo

  • Incoming Analyst in IB - Gen
May 27, 2020

I might not be female but would be counted as a "diversity" candidate.

Couple of tips and things that helped me with succeeding as an intern and getting stellar reviews from everyone:

  1. Being diversity/female matters mostly if you want it to. I just never made it a topic if it wasn't for a nice opportunity to crack a good joke connected to my reason for being counted as a diversity guy. Everyone I met at my BB never gave me a single look or treated me in a distinct because of my ethnic origin.
  2. Just be reachable at every time wherever you are. It's just a few weeks and anyone can sacrifice 100% of his/her time for such a short timeframe. I cannot stress this enough. Just being there and giving as much as humanly possible is such a differentiator and this'll be noted by everyone on your deal team. I made errors/typos/overlooked things but it was always within a reasonable amount.
  3. Dress adequately and look good. Check some sites of private equity funds/boutiqes/etc. where you see some juniors. Just wear what they wear and have a similar hairstyle. You want to be remembered because of your skills/good attitude rather than how you looked like.
  4. Everyone you're dealing with is just a normal human being. I'm a very lighthearted person and like to joke around but I'm 120% serious when I'm executing a task. Didn't change a thing about my attitude but it is important to know when you can have a laugh and when you need to be focussed. If you're a cool down-to-earth girl that knows how to have a good time and jokes around a bit then not a single person will act differently because you're around. Toning your humour a bit down and not being too risky with it should be remembered when talking to everything above analyst/associate. If they are very young a heart and don't act too senior (trust me. you'll know it when you see it) then you can stay less "formal" :)

TLDR: At the end of the day you'll get good reviews and an offer if you do your work good (more a 0/1 decision as you'll mostly reformat slides or do minor things in some model) and be a nice, fun person that people want to hang out with and to grab a drink every now and then.

Good luck and rock your stint!

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  • Associate 1 in IB - Gen
May 28, 2020

Just don't listen to the 'Call Her Daddy' podcast. I almost kms in the first 2 minutes hearing those dumb bitches talk

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May 28, 2020

That ended and is being revived by that one girl who is not Sofia because Sofia was too obsessed with money.

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  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
May 29, 2020

So don't listen to them but wtf do you get out of calling them dumb bitches. They're clearly not dumb since they've turned their podcast into a million dollars revenue stream of salary, endorsements and influencer clout..

May 29, 2020

I want to start a podcast called: Call her Mommy. Can be me and my best friend. We can talk about sex and the bad stuff that women aren't supposed to talk aobut. Then, I better get paid millions of dollars...

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May 28, 2020

leave IB and make way more money with your ASSets

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May 28, 2020

Men can't do this but it's competitive out there ven for women...

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  • Intern in S&T - FI
Jun 2, 2020

I have known men to do that too

  • VP in PropTrad
May 28, 2020

1) never ever complain
2) have zero emotion
3) there is no crying in baseball...or finance...ever
4) always be the sexiest version of yourself...not trashy...sexy...enhance your assets...hint but never reveal
5) there is never an excuse for being naive
6) minimal jewelry & perfume
7) clothes...think meghan markle from Suits...emulate her...look exactly like her...not kidding

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  • Intern in S&T - FI
May 29, 2020

what do you men there is no excuse for being naive. Would you recommend getting in shape for awn internship

  • Intern in S&T - FI
May 29, 2020

also what about heels ? are they a must?

May 29, 2020

if you are not in shape...then yes..get in shape NOW

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May 29, 2020

Don't overthink it. Especially at the analyst level, I honestly don't really think it matters if you're male or female. The analyst classes tend to be about half half these days. Just do a great job at your job and act professionally and let your performance speak for itself.

May 29, 2020

Analyst class is definitey not split still. Still way more guys than girls at every level especially as you go up. My class has one girl out of 14 analysts.

I have left this site peacefully. The >1.5x MS / SB ratio is interesting. Once my computer updates and removes me from Incognito, I will be washed away like all humans eventually. I don't know when that will happen.

May 29, 2020

Okay. At my bank, it was about 50/50 in the analyst class, maybe max 60/40 guys/girls. So I am just speaking from my personal experience, not describing all banks. My experience has tended to be that at the BBs, they try to get it pretty even, but of course I could be wrong.

And then of course also, the higher up you go, it is not even, but OP is asking about analyst classes and so that's what I was referring to.

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May 29, 2020

Happy to see that there's some legitimate answers here! even a couple years ago this post would have been absolutely derailed by troll comments.
The advice that I've gotten so far is like others have mentioned: project confidence, show you're humble and willing to learn. but most importantly, be competent- then the rest should naturally follow.

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May 30, 2020

From my account, and please everyone this is just my experience, the female summer analysts were sometimes doubted because of diversity programs in place and the general concern was that a less capable female got the job over a more qualified guy. However, this notion was often dispelled within a week given people generally want SAs to succeed. I have heard some misogynistic garbage, yes it is absolutely there with some guys, that the girl SAs might be inherently bad but from my experience, these guys have not really been decision makers or even well-liked. Again, this was my experience and YMMV. Most people will value your work quality, ability to learn, and general fit. This will be more and more apparent as the internship goes on but I do want to say that there will be bigots and it's an unfortunate reality. Do your best work and have a good attitude and I promise you will make the desired progress and that return offer. Good luck and let me know if you have any questions

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  • Associate 1 in PE - LBOs
May 31, 2020

I've been at two IB firms (pretty high % female) and am now at a PE firm (I'm the only female). Wanted to share my experience and advice.

  • Clothing: Anything modest is fine if you're not going to meetings. I have a few Theory suits and nice blouses that I keep at the office (one set) and change if I'm attending a meeting. Any plain looking bag is fine. Heels are optional, I only wear them to external meetings if that. Most women that I've seen transform into grandmas a few months into the job and have a giant blanket / sweater at their desk (myself included). Most of my male coworkers don't know what "business formal" is for women.
  • Where I Buy Clothing: Maybe TMI - As an intern / college student, I wore Banana Republic / H&M, cheap black heels / flats, a Theory suit (splurge item), and had a Kate Spade black tote. Now, I mostly wear Artizia, Jimmy Choo heels (so comfortable), Theory suits, and a LV Neverfull (I stuff books and laptop inside). I've seen other females in my IB class with Ferragamo block heels, Tory Burch flats, and a Longchamp / Prada bag. By no means do you need anything flashy / designer.
  • Work: I don't think I've been cut much, if any, slack for being female. At one of the banks, we tried to hire more female interns for diversity, but most of them didn't get return offers from work quality reasons. I'm sure there are certain things that are easier, like being able to stand out / diversity programs, but I've made sure to build out strong technical skills. In a PE recruiting report, females actually have a higher average GPA, better college background, and higher SAT score than males in the industry.
  • General Internship Advice: Generic - print things out, get coffee with people, seem really enthusiastic, be competent but very very humble, and be willing to work hard. If you're not from a finance program, I would review the banking guide or read Investment Banking by Rosenbaum. I would familiarize myself with excel and PPT functionality (By no means does it mean become a modeling expert). If you're in an industry group, I would read up on news, how COVID-19 has impacted the industry, and any reports about the industry in general.
  • Mentors: I have female and male mentors. I mostly have female mentees.
  • Things that are difficult -
    1) For a lot of females, if you don't come across overly friendly, you can sound like a b*tch. That's been difficult to navigate. I've been called out before for being too aggressive when I was using my normal voice.
    2) Work discrimination: At my first firm, all the female analysts were assumed to be less technical and they would put us on more process work instead of models. This hasn't been the case at any subsequent firms.
    3) Harassment: I've had a decent amount of uncomfortable situations (direct and indirect). I always drink minimally at work events.
    4) Lack of senior females: Even when I was in IB with a higher % of females, there were only a handful of female partners / MDs. Personally, I think this makes it harder for women to envision themselves in the industry long-term.

I hope this is helpful. Good luck on your internship. Feel free to reach out with questions.

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May 31, 2020
Associate 1 in PE - LBOs:

1) For a lot of females, if you don't come across overly friendly, you can sound like a b*tch. That's been difficult to navigate. I've been called out before for being too aggressive when I was using my normal voice.
3) Harassment: I've had a decent amount of uncomfortable situations (direct and indirect). I always drink minimally at work events.

Would be interested in hearing yours and other's stories about this sort of stuff. Would help men and women better understand how not to behave in the workplace...

I have left this site peacefully. The >1.5x MS / SB ratio is interesting. Once my computer updates and removes me from Incognito, I will be washed away like all humans eventually. I don't know when that will happen.

  • Prospect in IB - Gen
Jun 1, 2020

Thanks for this, really helpful!

Jun 2, 2020

The comment about the friendliness resonates - I generally am positive, upbeat, friendly and like humor, but especially with other women, there's almost a need to be overly nice to not be labeled a btch. It's annoying. There are some people I just don't connect with, and the slightest notion that I'm not being super friendly = "btch" It's tiresome. I'm not there to be everyone's pal and hear all their personal details.

That's another good one - be really judicious about personal details, and no one has time for sob stories unless you've truly developed a personal friendship. Do not "share"

Re "harassment" ok, that's a stronger word than I personally have ever experienced, but: I never go to an "afterparty" eg. the hotel bar after a business trip dinner or local biz dinner - nothing good every happens after midnight with the guys.

  • Associate 1 in PE - LBOs
Jun 2, 2020

Re: "harassment" - I agree the word is strong, but I want to raise awareness that it does happen and you should be careful even outside of drinking events. I think it comes down to inappropriate language and touching.

Here are just a few examples where I know the person or know someone in the group. 1) Someone telling their junior at the holiday party that they only staff them because they want to f*ck them (fired), 2) someone slapping an intern's a** (fired) at an intern event, 3) senior making inappropriate remarks about a female lawyer on conference call, etc.

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May 31, 2020

femoids should not be working

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I have left this site peacefully. The >1.5x MS / SB ratio is interesting. Once my computer updates and removes me from Incognito, I will be washed away like all humans eventually. I don't know when that will happen.

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I have left this site peacefully. The >1.5x MS / SB ratio is interesting. Once my computer updates and removes me from Incognito, I will be washed away like all humans eventually. I don't know when that will happen.