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Although, I am not Jewish, I have been in a similar situation being a Muslim and having to go to Friday prayers in the afternoon. Whatever you do, do not mention it during the interview, and only after you receive the offer, or once you begin. I told my superiors about my case on my first day only, and they were ok with it, as long as there was no impending deadline or have someone cover for you. It really depends on your group though, and luckily mine was very accepting (or maybe they were just scared to object). I only skipped prayers once, but every other Friday I was able to take out an hour to head out. And yes I know, an hour is nothing compared to a whole day, but this was a weekday, as compared to one day from the weekend.

I really can't say how it will work out in your favor, since you are in a different situation, but my advice to you would be to address it once you get the offer and play it out based on how they react.

Mind you my experience was as an intern, and not a full time analyst, and in case anyone is wondering that this is the reason why I did not return full time, there was no option since the internship was due to a connection, and I received it for experience purpose only.

Anyway, best of luck, and hopefully it works out for you!

 
charlie00:
Although, I am not Jewish, I have been in a similar situation being a Muslim and having to go to Friday prayers in the afternoon. Whatever you do, do not mention it during the interview, and only after you receive the offer, or once you begin. I told my superiors about my case on my first day only, and they were ok with it, as long as there was no impending deadline or have someone cover for you. It really depends on your group though, and luckily mine was very accepting (or maybe they were just scared to object). I only skipped prayers once, but every other Friday I was able to take out an hour to head out. And yes I know, an hour is nothing compared to a whole day, but this was a weekday, as compared to one day from the weekend.

I really can't say how it will work out in your favor, since you are in a different situation, but my advice to you would be to address it once you get the offer and play it out based on how they react.

Mind you my experience was as an intern, and not a full time analyst, and in case anyone is wondering that this is the reason why I did not return full time, there was no option since the internship was due to a connection, and I received it for experience purpose only.

Anyway, best of luck, and hopefully it works out for you!

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i've been thinking about the same thing - the way i see it is that as long as you're willing to put in the same amount of time as everyone else (or more), the firm/group should be ok with accommodating you during those 25 hours.

think about it:

80 hrs/week divided by 6 workdays = ~13 hours per day - totally manageable

100 hrs/week divided by 6 workdays = ~16.5 hours per day - long days, but still manageable

120 hrs/week divided by 6 workdays = 20 hours per day - you'll want to die afterwards, but that's what shabbat is for

also, keep in mind that although people here sometimes purport otherwise, ibd analysts really do have some days off (usually) - christmas, new year's, a vacation after year 1, a day for a friend's wedding, etc - if you're willing to give up those days off in exchange for shabbat and chagim, and you're willing to come in saturday night and work a full day/night on sunday, i think it works out alright.

great place called taam tov on seamless web btw

basically, be up front about it once you get the offer, but it shouldn't be a problem, assuming you can kick ass at the job itself.

 

Saturday, Donny, is Shabbos, the Jewish day of rest. That means that I don't work, I don't drive a car, I don't fucking ride in a car, I don't handle money, I don't turn on the oven, and I sure as shit don't fucking roll!

Shomer fucking shabbos!

 

A few things.

First, everyone is absolutely right in that you should make NO mention of it whatsoever in interviews. No one can voice a complaint that you didn't mention it up front, because in theory it shouldn't have impacted their decision.

Second, the bottom line is, you can make them deal with your religious obligations. But don't be surprised if you're bottom bucket year in and year out and if you're colleagues give you a dirty look cuz you're never there slaving away on the weekends like they are.

Another consequence is you won't get staffed on certain deals because people don't want to deal with you falling off the face of the earth observing sabbath. This combined with the fact that you're doing 6/7 the work that everyone else is, your peers will obviously quickly outpace you so far as knowledge and experience go.

The way you address all of these issues is you make sure it in no way impacts with your responsibilities or the amount of work you have on your plate. That means you'll have to work 1/(6/7) times harder than everyone else since you have do in 6 day what they do in 7. If you can observe your religious obligations and still kick ass and take names, then you belong in this industry. If not, your religious beliefs are a serious handicap to your career and you should consider another field or be happy with (at best) constantly being an under performer. I hear dradle making is a great career path for pious Jews.

 
Marcus_Halberstram:
A few things.

First, everyone is absolutely right in that you should make NO mention of it whatsoever in interviews. No one can voice a complaint that you didn't mention it up front, because in theory it shouldn't have impacted their decision.

Second, the bottom line is, you can make them deal with your religious obligations. But don't be surprised if you're bottom bucket year in and year out and if you're colleagues give you a dirty look cuz you're never there slaving away on the weekends like they are.

Another consequence is you won't get staffed on certain deals because people don't want to deal with you falling off the face of the earth observing sabbath. This combined with the fact that you're doing 6/7 the work that everyone else is, your peers will obviously quickly outpace you so far as knowledge and experience go.

The way you address all of these issues is you make sure it in no way impacts with your responsibilities or the amount of work you have on your plate. That means you'll have to work 1/(6/7) times harder than everyone else since you have do in 6 day what they do in 7. If you can observe your religious obligations and still kick ass and take names, then you belong in this industry. If not, your religious beliefs are a serious handicap to your career and you should consider another field or be happy with (at best) constantly being an under performer. I hear dradle making is a great career path for pious Jews.

The OP should work for Paul Allen. I've seen that lucky jew bastard sitting in his office, talking on the phone to CEO's, spinning a fucking menorah.

what comes next?

 

Is the interview for the generalist program or a specific group? If you're able to try and choose a product group and you'll be fine. There are many more people out there than you think in your situation (including many Sr bankers). Whatever you do don't bring it up in the interview. PM me for more info.

 
<span class=keyword_link><a href=/company/oaktree-capital-management>oaktree capital</a></span>:

I'm curious.

Specifically for an SA

Did you not read the posts? They were pretty goddamn comprehensive.

I'll throw in my opinion. It's 2015. Stringent organized religion is still a thing? If you're going to strictly follow something in the Torah, you should maintain a strict interpretation everywhere else. If you truly believe you'll be damned to hell for not observing one Sabbath because scripture says so, then by the same philosophy you should believe that it's chill to sell your daughter into slavery (Leviticus 21:7...I could go all day though). Otherwise you're recognizing that there IS wiggle room in interpreting scripture, and you don't need to be out of office every Sabbath all day every week.

 

Leviticus 21:7 has nothing to do with selling your daughter, or anyone for that matter, into slavery, "They shall not take a wife that is a whore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he is holy unto his God."

Nothing about slavery, selling your daughter, or anything like that.

Either you got the scripture wrong accidentally, simply believed something someone told you, or submitted this post with the purpose to mislead. I hope it's one of the first two. If the latter, did you really think no one would check?

By the way, enjoying the weekly Sabbath rest is not just in the Torah. It's in the Writings, the Prophets, and the Brit Hadasha (New Testament).

Regarding work, more time does not equate to better performance. Have you read the 4-hour Workweek? Someone who honors God's instruction of Sabbath rest can be more mentally equipped and refreshed than the same person who does not. This can result in much better performance, clarity of thought, vibrant communication, increased stamina, and stronger leadership acumen and charisma beneficial to direct teams.

Blessings to you, Ira

 

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