I don’t think I’d ever want to get married, legally speaking. I would like to be in a relationship that’s like a marriage, if that makes sense. Marriage is a lot more than a tax break and signing a few papers, it’s a vow two people make and that’s how I think of it. I know divorce statistics are often misrepresented, but if it all goes wrong both people can protect themselves and hopefully be adults about child custody, if it’s an issue.

Having said all that, in five years I may feel differently.

 

I'm Roman Catholic and marriage is a sacrament, which is like a shelter of grace from God. It typically would involve 6 months of counseling before tying the knot. 

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
 

Well I was a Muslim, in Islam the ‘the knot’ is referred to as nikkah, which is essentially a religious contract between the couple to be. They promise to be loyal, take care of each other and love each other the way God would want them too. What do you mean by counseling though? Like what goes into that?

 
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What do you mean by counseling though? Like what goes into that?

The Roman Catholic church generally requires 6 months of counseling pre-marriage to prepare for marriage. 

https://www.usccb.org/topics/marriage-and-family-life-ministries/marria…

"Because Christian marriage is a sacrament, the Catholic Church wants couples to be well-prepared. Dioceses and parishes offer marriage preparation to help couples develop a better understanding of the sacrament; to evaluate and deepen their readiness to live married life, and to gain insights into themselves as individuals and as a couple.

Marriage preparation programs take different forms. Some couples attend a weekend retreat; others are matched with a "sponsor couple"; and others participate in a series of marriage preparation classes offered by their parish or diocese. The important thing for engaged couples to keep in mind as they check numerous items off their pre-wedding "to-do" list is the well-known adage, "Your wedding lasts a day, but your marriage lasts a lifetime." The Church encourages couples to invest time and energy into the all-important work of preparing for their married life together.

For couples planning to marry in the Catholic Church, please contact your parish priest six to nine months before your anticipated wedding date to begin the marriage preparation process."

Other USCCB resources on marriage preparation:

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
 

It is a "little" less than 6 mos.  You do Pre Cana, which is two 6 hour classes.    I lucked out for one and the speaker was a WSJ contributor, and frankly very illuminating and came with different perspectives than I have ever heard.  You also meet with the priest who will be marrying you.

Not to mention if you choose a church to get married in you need dispensation from your local parish.  SO, it is more that you need to go to Church 6 months before.

 

It'll be civil until the lawyers come in, then all bets are off.  They can be absolute dirtbags.

 

Divorce is like a devil's threesome but worse, cuz you're the bitch in the middle and having to pay both the studs that are raw dogging you.

 

Yeah, that’s why I don’t want to get married. As for custody, hopefully things don’t get so bad that it has to go to court or something. I’m no expert, but I don’t think it’s healthy for children to see their parents at each other’s throats and divorce/separation can be traumatic enough. Don’t mean to be rude, but do you have any experience lol.

 

Only thing that I think is important to add about the legality of marriage is the medical aspect...you aren’t granted the same privileges and rights if your significant other incapacitated etc of you aren’t legally their “spouse”

Also, remember that the legal aspect of marriage is of the main reasons the LGBT+ community fought so hard for marriage equality... so kinda hard to just brush it off as “a tax break and signing a few papers”...

 

I get that, but I just have different view. As for lgbt, I think the point was to have the same rights as other people. If a heterosexual couple could get married and be recognized as a legal couple then a homosexual couple should be as well, which of course is the right view. It’s also probably how I was raised, coming from a religious household, members of my family couldn’t care less about the legality of marriage, as long as it was done according to religious principles it’s a marriage.  

 

Not really, I just think too many men over-commit to women these days...it's important to have autonomy - not to say, unless you feel the moral obligation against it, you can't have a gf stay over and vice versa, but removing the tension, mystery and quite frankly, the space that is needed in every relationship does more harm than one would think.  Just my opinion though.  

 
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Not really, I just think too many men over-commit to women these days...it's important to have autonomy - not to say, unless you feel the moral obligation against it, you can't have a gf stay over and vice versa, but removing the tension, mystery and quite frankly, the space that is needed in every relationship does more harm than one would think.  Just my opinion though.  

Agreed. Our new generation seems to gravitate way towards women. 

I'm all for seeing my girlfriend/casual relationships max two times a week, but I have way more important things I need to be doing on a daily basis 

 
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I'm all for seeing my girlfriend/casual relationships max two times a week

Yeah ok

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
 

I'm pro-marriage but a strong advocate of a male getting married in-name-only and not going down the legal marriage route. The laws are overwhelmingly against men when it comes to marriage. Even in light of the recent men's rights movement, the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act snuck in yet another anti-male move. Where alimony payments used to be excludable from the payer's taxable gross income with the payee paying the tax on her alimony income received, the new law completely reversed it, making alimony payments taxable to the payer and non-taxable to the payee. It seems like a small thing, but it's not--it shows that even with an activated men's rights movement, the inertia of the institutions still moves heavily against the male spouse. Marriage (and child custody) law is a case of objective institutional discrimination. I can't understand why any rational man would choose legal marriage given the alternatives. Even prenuptial agreements have the potential of being made null and void by a court (which is a blatant violation of the US Constitution, but when has that ever stopped the government?). 

As far as the messiness of divorce goes, my gay friend is going through a divorce and I reminded him that back in 2015 I warned that the gay community would rue the day that gay marriage became a legal institution rather than just a ceremonial institution. I think he's learned his lesson about the institution of marriage...    

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Or you could marry someone who is self-sufficient and has good character (ie would neither drag you in court nor require hefty alimony)?

Whoever it is that you decide to marry is the same person that you may eventually divorce. I have friends who are divorcing their equals and others who have divorced simpleminded, entitled women. Their experiences, and subsequent financial situations, are worlds apart 

 

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