Q&A: HF out of Undergrad,

Haven't posted in a while but wanted to given the interesting hiring climate I imagine most college seniors are facing today and the changing landscape across HFs... ####My background: Pretty non-target school with a handful of solid internships across IB/HF, involvement in the student run fund, dual major in finance and math. Full story can be found on earlier posts... but TL;DR would be I interned at a BB in a top group, did not get a return, recruited for FT IB, got an offer and turned it down to pursue L/S HF out of school. ####How I did it: Again, network, network, network... The main difference I expect and found during recruiting and networking with hedge fund professionals versus bankers and/or private equity is 1) less focus on background/prestige and 2) ability to pitch or source ideas. Everyone knows it, but the primary reason a PE shop or hedge fund is reluctant to hire out of undergrad is not only because you know nothing, but they don't have the time or resources to train you & need someone capable of modeling. You aren't expected to generate serious P&L from the get-go, so you need to be a value add in other ways. **The number 1 way you can demonstrate this to a hedge fund is by building models and writing pitches/research reports.** I made a shortlist of every hedge fund I was interested in, found their email domain either via their brochure or Bloomberg at school, and sent both a long and short pitch to a PM or analyst. I can tell you that they are looking for 1) how you think and 2) your ability to model. I'm finding it increasingly common for several people to make the leap to HF out of undergrad more recently. ####Comparisons to banking: In hindsight having been on the job almost a year, it's a different level of intensity/stress I'd imagine from being FT in IB. FT in IB requires you to be ultra-sensitive to deadlines in terms of client facing materials, whereas HF risk $mm of dollars daily (or more) and can, but are not always, time sensitive. You are tied to your performance and the fund's performance and comp reflects that - in IB you're bucketed based on performance, attitude, effort, skill (I'm assuming) whereas HF it comes down to how well did the fund do and how much did you contribute to that profit or loss. If your ideas are not good and losing $ for the firm, you will have a more difficult time. ####HF's should be at less risk during times like this I think the one positive in a moment like this is that HF's should and can make $ in (most) market environments, whereas I've read posts about IB layoffs and potential bonuses being clawed back. Not sure to the truth of this, but ideally a HF is designed to outperform in these sorts of scenarios and therefore should be at less risk than an IB with M&A frozen for the time being. Average day: in at 7a, out at 9p or so... Don't want to drone on too long if these bullets and points aren't useful and do want to answer any potential questions you guys may have...

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1) Frankly I wouldn't be able to give you an on-track recruiting timeline for hedge funds considering I recruited closer to my graduation date in a less structured approach, however I'll try my best. The smaller funds are likely hiring on a need basis, therefore recruiting 6-12 mo in advance likely won't bode well whereas I do know and have seen people intern during their MBA at larger hedge funds with potential for a return offer. I imagine these sorts of roles, for both internships and full-time HF roles likely recruit late autumn/early winter ahead of your start role in June. But I should emphasize there isn't nearly as strict of a timeline for hedge fund recruiting comparatively to banking.

2) No, I had one small one-month HF internship during UG and then had done IB SA prior to graduating, so I wouldn't believe it's absolutely necessary (but likely helpful).

3) No. No one at my firm has their CFA. It DOES absolutely help though and I have plenty of friends who went that route, whether they were in front office finance roles or not. It's a great way to demonstrate your finance capacity and understanding of financial analysis. Great way to make yourself a more attractive candidate if you don't have relevant finance experience.

 

I actually have the same question for #1... I think it depends on how you plan on networking. Most will be reluctant to go grab coffee/drinks and do those sorts of in-person networking at least in the nearer future; however I think reaching out post-earnings to hop on the phone and network should be fine. I will say that hedge funds have probably put off hiring additional personnel at the moment, though, so be wary of that.

2) I used this website, in addition to Bloomberg/FactSet via my school and some other sites (trackhedgefunds.com). Then I went to the SEC website, found their brochures, and read through to figure out what their strategy was before reaching out. In terms of what led to deciding, I knew I wanted to be in a fundamental role, was pretty sector agnostic given I had only summered in IB and had no real long-term sector expertise, and developed pitches across 3 different industries.

 
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