Retirement Planning for IB Analysts

Hey everyone,

Just began my time as an analyst and am trying to figure out personal retirement planning.

Roth IRA - maxing out for 2020, not sure if base+bonus in 2021 would make me ineligible to contribute? Any guidance would be very helpful

401K vs. Roth 401K - thoughts on this? Am paying NYC taxes but maybe a hedge vs. potentially high tax rates in the future even if I retire in a lower COL city. Thinking of contributing ~12-15% because I’d prefer to have more money in accounts I can actually draw from before age 59.5 / 65

FI / RE (financially independent / retire early): Would like to have a non-retirement investment portfolio made up of public market securities as well as passive income streams like real estate. Again, would love any ideas for how best to approach this as a 21 year old looking to start early

Comp info for reference: no debt, $30k high yield savings for now (mainly from signing bonus), $95k base, EB level bonus

Recognizing I am incredibly fortunate to have these financial circumstances along with the added benefit of no rent expense for the next few months, I want to do what I can to set myself up to exit the world of high paying / high stress jobs by age ~35/40.

Thanks for the feedback and advice on any of the above!

 
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I think you're already in a good spot considering you're thinking about this now. Here are my two cents, as someone who's tried planning, then replanning, then rereplanning, and recently even more rerereplanning.

Tax-advantaged accounts:

  • Makes sense to max out 401K and Roth IRA if you're comfortable with a high savings rate, though I imagine you wouldn't be in a place to do that if you're planning on living in NYC and enjoying your youth at least a bit. I think maxing out 401k would get you to ~20% contribution, slightly above what you mentioned.

Non-tax advantaged accounts:

  • Build up a HYS cash account with a few months of living expenses. Most people will tell you ~3 months is good, but I strongly advise getting to ~6-12 months. Realistically, this will be largely funded by your bonus after the first year. The difference between 3 months and 12 months of living expenses wouldn't mean that you can be out of job for a year, it just means that if you decide to take a break between jobs, or get laid off, you'll have a much more relaxed time recruiting (or YOLO traveling) and won't have to go for the first good-enough offer. Before I get MS-spammed, I fully realize this is a heavier cash allocation than most people would advise but I'm just sharing learnings from personal experience and that of peers.

  • Automate monthly deposits into a saving/investing account where you can either load up on low cost ETF's or build an allocation that suits you.

  • Throw $1-10k into a TD/Robinhood account, it's a relatively small sum and you can have something to chat about with the rest of the industry morons who're trying to make YOLO plays in hopes of making it rich and leaving banking. This is less of an asset allocation, and more of a "lottery ticket"/"fun expense." Obviously do so in line with the compliance rules at your firm.

Other approaches I've seen work:

  • Throw most of your paycheck into a savings/investment account and keep what you need to pay your monthly rent & expenses.

  • Throw ~all of your paycheck into a savings/investment account and "pay yourself" (assuming transfers are free) from your savings account what you need to maintain your lifestyle. This is an attempt to mitigate lifestyle creep during promotions and salary bumps.

  • Throw most of your paycheck into a savings account, and use your bonus to max out retirement accounts. (I personally prefer smaller pay checks and slightly larger cash bonus payout, but I think many people do the opposite.)

Counterpoint:

  • Allow yourself to splurge on things and experiences that will create lasting memories/spark joy

  • This might not matter out of undergrad, but having a decent place in close proximity to the office has a very high ROI for your lifestyle compared to incremental dollars spent. You can accomplish this with roommates in NYC, but a long-term girlfriend who contributes to rent will do wonders since you can live in a one bedroom together.

  • Consider at least some minimal form of disability insurance. There is no denying that the job is stressful, and it can take a toll on one's mental and physical health. I have seen people leave their high-paying jobs to deal with health issues and then rerecruit for more chill jobs. While many had savings to get them through the times, the last thing you want when dealing with stress-induced health issues is more financial stress.

  • Be prepared for your long-term plans to require potentially dramatic adjustments. Business school, engagement, and home purchase would all require you to reassess your situation.

  • Cheesy shit that bears repeating: invest in yourself. Figure out what that means for you (education, hobbies, travel), and allocate discretionary spending for this accordingly.

2020 Update: recounting my experiences in PE and sharing thoughts on recent deals at https://leverup.substack.com
 

this is awesome advice. really appreciate you taking the time and definitely will set up HYS and “fun” trading account. I’ve heard the same advice from a few people about auto-depositing all of paychecks aside from general living expenses into savings / investment accounts and will definitely do that

any thoughts on FI / RE? i’ve lurked a bit on reddit but would love to hear experiences from those in this community who’ve thought of it

 

For sure, it's really no effort for me to regurgitate my takeaways from IWT, r/fatfire, and a bunch of audiobooks/podcasts I listened to when "commuting" was a thing. Automatic deposits made the biggest impact for me, almost accidentally - I looked at my account and realized I could leave my job a year before my MBA program started to try out different things ("consulting" gigs for financial firms in the space I covered, pre-school "internships") and still have plenty of time/money to travel. One thing I learned was that I can/will spend 5x my run-rate monthly expenses in a week when I have the time and financial ability to do so. That nudged me to look at "FatFIRE" more seriously.

Personally, my goals are less RE and more FI. I want the ability to work at my own leisure and I don't think hitting some magic net worth number will make my concerns for future financial needs disappear. My version of FI would be hitting a certain number and spending the rest of my career doing some type of consulting/board work or playing around with different side hustles.

2020 Update: recounting my experiences in PE and sharing thoughts on recent deals at https://leverup.substack.com
 

I spent a lot of time thinking about Roth 401(k) vs Traditional 401(k) and even modeled out returns because I kept getting conflicting conclusions from friends and the internet. There was very little difference in terms of money made in the end, BUT there is a pretty high chance that taxes will be higher in the future. If you have the option to do both, splitting contribution 50/50 Roth/Traditional is probably the safest way to go. But if your firm only offers one of the two, I wouldn’t worry about it too much.

 

No one really knows, but if you look at the historical tax rate, they have been trending up over the last ~30 years. I think it's difficult to imagine 70% top marginal tax rate since most (all?) of us haven't lived through it, but it was the reality for people working in the '70's. I suspect people are also worried that U.S. will have to increase tax rates to pay for the economic stimulus used to mitigate impacts of COVID.

  • Historical U.S. top marginal tax

  • Historical U.S. tax revenue: interesting to note when comparing to the tax rates linked above, after the tax cuts provided by the Economic Recovery Act, Federal tax collections actually increased. It's almost as if lower taxes spurred economic activity and resulted in greater revenue collected by the government. mindblown.jpg

  • NY state taxes (through 2025): one thing to note here, is that NY state taxes are actually set to decrease (a little) through 2025 based on current legislation

2020 Update: recounting my experiences in PE and sharing thoughts on recent deals at https://leverup.substack.com
 

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