Value-add / Creative office

Would love some info on creative office or value-add office from anyone currently working in the space.

I currently work in value-add multifamily acquisitions, but am feeling the itch to transition to office because there seems to be more variety and creativity to the work on an asset-by-asset basis.

 
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1) Do you see creative office as something that will be a worthwhile niche long-term, or is it more of a fad? 2) What about geographic areas other than Seattle/SF Bay/NYC/LA? Can it be successful outside of tech hubs? 3) Other than ARGUS fluency and the increased complexity of office leases, what are other major differences in the nuts and bolts compared to other asset classes? 4) How hard would it be to network my way from MF REPE to office? Am I going to get a lot of "you already know MF, why do you want to get into creative office?"

I'm sure I can come up with other questions, but my original thought was to see if anyone in the space could give a general commentary on what they like, what they dislike, and where they see it going in the next five+ years.

 

1) Personally, I think it will remain the norm for the foreseeable future with the exception being law offices and other professional services firms that need isolated working quarters; millenials make up the majority of the workforce and this won't change anytime soon. Employers are trying to create live work play environments where employees don't want to go home and you're seeing innovative amenities in tenant spaces that respond to these needs. 2) Yes it can; CBRE just converted their entire LA office to creative. Many firms are doing thins--look up Deloitte's office in Amsterdam I believe--the whole thing is interactive and assigns each employee a new workstation each day. Tech firms and startups clearly lead the way but again I think with the exception of law firms and some other types of tenants (which others on here may be able to expound on) this will become more and more common. The cities you mentioned above are good but are also among the first movers to new trends in US CRE; I'd add Austin, Denver, Atlanta, Dallas, Boston (essentially most of the major cities) to your list. 3) Office is the most operationally expensive aside from hotels, and TI's/Leasing Commissions make up a huge chunk of change. Your lease durations can range from 5-15 years with the average probably being around 7+. Lease expirations are huge in office as you can potentially lose a big percentage of your NOI in a single year; sometimes this is good if you're in a landlord favorable market and can push rents. Office using employment numbers and population growth will be your big indicators for booming markets. 4) No idea on this; how many years have you been doing MF? Do you not like it anymore? Underwriting MF vs Office in my opinion comes down to using Argus vs. straight excel. Office leases can get hairy (when you get to doing high rises with 20-30 tenants) but modeling out a multifamily deal can also get complex. I've always been a generalist so I can't comment too much on a transition but I'm sure others on here can talk more to that.

 

The pressure of leasing up a value-add / creative office play is tremendous and far more difficult. It can take a lot longer to lease-up than you think depending on your timing to market of course, and you have the IRR clock ticking and lenders breathing down your neck in the process. The leverage and rates you get on office deals will be less attractive because of the inherent risk involved in office as an asset class.

 

Agree with brosephstalin and would also add to his point that unless you had strong demand for creative office, you probably wouldn't see someone go out and just convert a crappy building to creative office (value add)...it's usually a tenant driven decision. For us, we would need to have a lease signed by a catalyst-like tenant (who could effectively set the vibe for the building)...

 

Not trying to argue your point, but that's exactly what these guys are doing--buying crappy buildings off of other criteria besides having a tenant in-hand-- and they've been pretty successful: http://www.harborassociates.com/current-projects.html

Could you give me some examples of firms you like that do the more traditional tenant-driven projects? Or examples of specific deals?

 

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