Was reading this article and thought of this question. I think you can argue for both sides assuming that you had the money and that you know you won't get caught.
Your thoughts?
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No, because you would always live with the guilt that you are a fake imposter. I rather come from new money than old money.
Honestly, Ivy School, no Into IB? Considering that is what the child wanted to do and was good at it. Yes, their merits could arguably stand on their own. I agree with ironical but if I already had old money and had too much money to know what to do with it then why not.
Certainly
If you're as wealthy as the people caught up in the college bribe scandal, you pay for world class prep schools, tutors, ACT/SAT prep, extracurriculars, etc along with hefty donations to the universities. If your kid still can't get into USC or Georgetown so then you have to commit bribery... I don't know what to tell you, your kid doesn't deserve to go to a great school. At that point just save the money and put it in trust fund, and send your kid to Arizona St to have a blast for four years
This.
No. I believe in myself enough to get where I want to go and I would want my kid to work to get what he or she wants. If I am successful, my kids should already have a huge leg up.
My personal opinion is to set aside USD 1 Million per child and let them do whatever they want with it. After that, unless they are dying - medically, I would leave them out to manage their own lives. I think as a parent, your job is to make sure that your kids don't die and can lead a normal life - the rest like paying to get into schools or jobs or giving out free money to start companies - can only ruin them, and not help them to grow as a person.
Yeah so let's just casually give each kid a million dollars, great idea bud
Private Education from Kindergarten to Grade 12 = 13 years x USD 20,000 = USD 260,000 4 Years of College Education (Tuition + Basic Allowance) = 4 years x USD 50,000 = USD 200,000 Born until 18 - average cost of rising a child per year = 18 years x USD 20,000 = USD 360,000 All added up is about USD 820,000 = USD 1 Million - USD 820,000 = USD 180,000 Any helps with down payment for a house or startup capital = remaining USD 180,000
With inflation, these numbers are most likely to go up in the future.
Cocaine and Heroine are things you know.
This is honestly common practice all around the world. Admissions processes are typically split into two. The usual competitive route and the easy route. One for the reputation and one for the relationships and money. It's kinda a 95-5 split between the two. Trust me I know because my girlfriend works in private education institute which also helps to streamline kids into reputable schools. Of course they don't do they bribing route because there are other ways the colleges want to make money as well.
So in a nutshell probably wouldn't bribe if I get arrested for it but many other ways to get your kids in. You gotta level the playing field dude.
You are using the phrase "leveling the playing field" in the complete opposite way it is meant to be used.
It is meant for people to get back on even standing from a position of disadvantage.
What are you talking about is putting your kid in the top part of the 5% the applications that is already three steps ahead of the other 95% of the applicants.
Assuming it is systemic corruption and not just a one-off case your super-dad was able to pull off, consider this thought experiment:
Now you know that there is a backdoor entry available into the supposedly competitive system. You would also know, that if you don't take it, someone else will. So, at the end of it all, the system will remain corrupt with or without you. If you choose to head in, you will benefit out of it. Would you still choose to step away from one such opportunity?
I, personally, would avoid this for multiple reasons - the most important one being that if the applicant did not make it to the school by all fair means, probably the kid shouldn't be there since she/he will face intellectual humiliation almost every day if she/he gets in this way. But, we all know this for a fact - a lot of people would choose to get into the school this way in the blink of an eye, if given a chance.
As far as bribing your way to a job in IB is concerned - I doubt that would be possible with a simple transaction. You might get an internship of some sorts, or you may get the job if you are able to get the right people the right things, much like a power broker and less like a bribe offer maker. The competition and pressure to perform would eventually wipe out the incompetent old money which got in by simply bribing.
There are plenty of students who couldn't get admitted to an Ivy that would perform fine if they were allowed to attend. Do you think Harvard has some extra-special-super-hard version of fucking US history or Organic Chem? The quality of the education is not necessarily any higher than at a reputable state school, and in some cases may be worse, as classes are often taught by TAs rather than professors since the professor is too busy writing journal articles and flying around the world giving seminars to be bothered to actually teach lowly students. The hardest part of Harvard is getting in, much like IB. Anyone who could fog a fucking mirror could do 90% of the work an IB analyst does, so the interview process has to be 20x as difficult as the actual job in order to narrow down the hordes of applicants to a manageable number.
As to your thought experiment, there basically is a backdoor entry entry into every competitive system. It's just how the world works. I'd rather have a son or daughter than understands that at an early age than a naive "true believer" in "equality" or "fairness." If these morons had done the proper thing and just donated money to the school, rather than paying off test proctors to change answers and athletics coaches to pretend to have recruited the kid, nothing would have happened. But at the end of the day, is that really that much different than directly bribing someone?
I don't believe Harvard teaches anything extremely special. That said, I do believe, that in a place where even the brightest of the students suffer with impostor syndrome, it would be difficult for someone who came in this way to just cope with the competition inside. And this is assuming that they could've spent equal amounts of money to actually prepare their application - by going to the prep schools and working on other things, instead of straight bribing. Yet, they chose to go down that road, because maybe they already knew that no matter how hard they prepare, they don't stand a chance to get in this way. So, for this specific set of people - I doubt getting in would make life easier for the next four years, because they most probably will never reach the other side of the normal curve of the class in terms of sheer performance. In reality, we have to admit that the case here included people trying to break into USC, not even Harvard (maybe the folks aiming for Yale were a bit more 'ambitious').
As far as the thought experiment is concerned - that was to look at one extra point before straight out raising the proverbial 'ethical' flag. It is easy for people to say they would never do this, but they should know that by 'not doing it', they are not doing any favors to the system and the opportunity will get passed on to someone else, if not you. If they still feel they will not do it - well, well done.
Thanks for the insights, though. Did not know the entire professor-TA racket. Worth a thought!
Into a school? No, because that ain't kosher. Into IB? Sure, because that's basically what happens anyway - what % of the kids in BB IBD do you think are there primarily because their parents know someone, or are a big client? It's not insignificant, I guarantee it. Not to say that these kids aren't necessarily smart and capable... IB just really isn't that hard, and there are too many smart kids competing for a limited number of slots.
you already can, its called being a developmental admit.
Only problem is that these parents were poor. Ya poor. Developmental admits require a 8 figure donation because they only want the children of the true global elite..Ivan Glasenberg, Russian Oligarchs, Rotchschilds, Wealthy Arabs/Indians, yunno people that actually have a say in how the world functions.
Elite schools don't need to kids of mediocre low 8 figure fucks like the people who got busted. At that wealth level, your just a butler to the real elite, and you kids won't add anything to the school.
Well said.
If my kid needs me to bribe a school like USC hundreds of thousands of dollars to get in, help me god since I'd have bigger problems on my hand which would be that my kid is a fucking idiot.
Never. Not to get into an Ivy, prestige job, etc.
Now if I lived in a world where my kid couldn’t live a normal life (many of you would call mediocrity), eat three meals a day have a roof over head, and I was worried about their survival, etc, yeah I’d bribe, rob, kill a mofo. I’m guessing these richies take it that seriously.
Honestly, i feel like it would be cheaper to properly prepare yourself/your child for whatever it is you want to do. The cost of bribery at that level makes it not worth it (as if it ever was worth it). You can definitely come out as a VP/MD with the right skills/degree/connections.
It is definitely cheaper to spend the time on tutoring services and preparing the child by yourself. The issue is these parents have done a shit job parenting their kids (or in some cases, are imposing their own egos and pride - to show off a kid joining a respectable school - on their kids with or without their input). I’m sure a lot of these kids received top notch education in the form of private school and tutoring in their early years, but unless the parents invest the extra effort and time to parent (i.e., go over the materials they covered to make sure they actually understand it, instill a sense of pride in achieving one’s goals on their own, highlighting why it’s important to pursue education even if you’re born with a silver spoon in your mouth), it won’t stick.
TLDR: It’s more effective/cheaper if you invest the time, effort, and care. The point is, these people don’t/won’t.
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