Would you buy these Bill-Gates backed Vegan Burgers?

A majority of people cannot even begin to imagine not eating meat, and substituting it for plant-based food. The company *Beyond Meat* looks to change that, and get you hooked on their vegan burgers. As stated in the article;

Beyond Meat, whose investors include billionaire Bill Gates and food giants General Mills Inc. and Tyson Foods Inc., will begin distributing its plant-based vegan burgers in more than 280 Safeway supermarkets in California, Hawaii and Nevada, according to the company.

As well the author mentions in the article that;

The Beyond Burger, which is made from pea protein, isn’t the only game in town when it comes to vegan burgers with culinary distinction. Impossible Foods, founded by Stanford biochemist Pat Brown, is touting its own plant-based patties as an alternative to meat. But the company has focused more on distribution at high-end restaurants.

It's priced at **$5.99 for a pack of two patties**. It's also said to taste and even bleed similar to that of real beef. Personally, I just enjoy meat too much to give it up, but for those who would consider substituting it, would you consider buying these?

 

Lloyd, despite your rancor, I will respond to your comment seriously.

The reason one should pay attention is because vegan foods are a big business opportunity, and I'm sure everyone here is in business to make money.

Veganism as a consumer trend is on a very rapid growth trajectory, and plant-based foods are a rapidly growing industry.

  • plant based foods reached $3.1bn in sales last year, up 20% on previous year (source: Nielsen).
  • Plant based milks are already 25% of all milks consumed globally, and are anticipated to reach 40% of the milk consumed, within the next few years.

  • M&A in the plant based foods sector is growing, with Tyson Foods, Nestle and other big food companies becoming active acquirers, spending hundreds of millions of USD per deal.

  • User behaviors are rapidly changing. Vegan diets are up in USA 600% in 2 years. 10% of Swedes are vegan/vegetarian, 20% of Swedes under 30 are vegan, 13% of Israelis are vegan/vegetarian, 3.5mn Brits are vegan.

vegan rise in USA BBC on McVegan Forbes on why vegan foods are a great business opportunity Supermarket News on vegan foods

 
zanderman:
They'll probably be able to grow meat in a lab eventually and that'll shut everyone the fuck up
They can already. They can grow pretty much anything. It's just really expensive. Getting cheaper quick. Factory farming is the problem, not meat. Veganism is extremely unhealthy. And pea protein is trash.
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It obvious you simply don't know what your talking about. Do research on statistical evidence linking a particular diet to health and longevity and you will be very surprised. I recommend the China Study, it is the most comprehensive and data proven research ever completed on the general subject of diet and health. I could talk to you all day long about how wrong you are but I would much rather you examine data, like we do all day in IB, not my opinion. Have a great day

 
GoldenCinderblock:
zanderman:
They'll probably be able to grow meat in a lab eventually and that'll shut everyone the fuck up
They can already. They can grow pretty much anything. It's just really expensive. Getting cheaper quick. Factory farming is the problem, not meat. Veganism is extremely unhealthy. And pea protein is trash.

Actually costs of lab-meat (aka clean meat) is falling very rapidly. Currently it is still priced high, but whereas a 1lb of meat was $200k just 2 years ago, it's now only $50/lb.
Now, at $50/lb it's not cost competitive, but give it a couple years, and that lab meat will likely be far, far cheaper than traditional livestock-derived meat. People always underestimate technology, but then it takes over. Remember when computers were too expensive for individuals to own? Lab meat is following a far more rapid cost decline, as illustrated above.

 

I'd rather eat a burger made out of meat, than made out of my enemies. My enemies don't look to be in the greatest health.

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that plus windows 10 forces you to patch..

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Lot of good looking vegan girls...just saying.

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True, but they are also often emo as fuck.

I got my own B school admission and career problems, I don't give a fuck about issues such as saving the whale foundation etc.

The al-quaeda of vegetarians are what vegans are often called.

Tried it for while, you legit feel great for the first few weeks then I think the body's iron and b vitamin levels start running low, and you start becoming mentally slow etc.

 

I could get behind veggie burgers if they taste good. Turkey burgers, for instance, are awesome.

The thing is, turkey burgers don't pretend to be burgers. They're a distinct food with a distinct taste. Any time I see a "meat replacement" that "almost tastes like meat" I'm almost immediately turned off. They never do.

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That much for two veggie patties? No. Anything geared towards vegans I tend to avoid. Now two patties of Père St. David Deer for $5.99, that is a deal! Greatest meat I have ever had.

Only two sources I trust, Glenn Beck and singing woodland creatures.
 
Ehmerica:
That much for two veggie patties? No. Anything geared towards vegans I tend to avoid. Now two patties of Père St. David Deer for $5.99, that is a deal! Greatest meat I have ever had.

I wouldn't say the product is geared towards vegans. Vegans often are happy eating whole foods. This product is aimed at the 95% of the population that is not vegan but don't want to support the cruelty, environmental destruction, and poor health effects of traditional meat.

 

Hey Bill, how about curing cancer or sending a human to mars. Dudes spreading his money all over on so many dumb things. What about a scholarship for people who study medical research or helping people finance solar energy to reduce carbon usage.

Vegan burger. Jesus.

 

Guess he figured that the less meat people eat, the lower their carbon footprint. Essentially helping the planet. That or.....he just pulled Vegan Burgers out of a hat of possible investments.

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I get the theory, but trying to alter people's preferences is a losing battle. And he has a ton of similar investments. Go dump 20B into medical research and liscense the findings are reasonable prices to replenish the charity fund. Rinse and repeat.

 
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I've heard the methane theory. Maybe the math of that theory works out, but in general I think farts will never be taken seriously. The more valid global warming / environmental argument against meat relates to land and resources used to raise 1kg of meat versus 1kg of other food options.

To raise cattle in Brazil for example--ranchers will burn down forest to create grazing lands, burn down more forest to create fields to grow additional feed, use massive amounts of water to give to the cows, and use even more water to grow crops for feed.

Using that example, you have the CO2 released from burning down the forest, you also reduce the ability of the environment to absorb that CO2 because the trees are now gone, then you use that land and additional resources to raise cows (who produce methane) and worthless-for-humans plants. Lastly, the meat is often shipped around the world releasing even more greenhouse gasses due to the energy needed to freeze (in the rainforest) and ship the meat.

As this example illustrates, the gap in greenhouse gas emission between plants and meat is enormous. As the world population continues to grow, we will have to adjust our diets not to give up meat, but we should reduce and localize our consumption. Get some backyard chickens, hunt, fish, eat bison instead of beef, etc.

Nothing short of everything will really do.
 
TNA:
Hey Bill, how about curing cancer or sending a human to mars. Dudes spreading his money all over on so many dumb things. What about a scholarship for people who study medical research or helping people finance solar energy to reduce carbon usage.

Vegan burger. Jesus.

Actually animal product consumption is likely the leading cause of cancer. So, Bill is making a good dent in cancer by supporting plant-based burgers.

 
earthwalker7:
TNA:
Hey Bill, how about curing cancer or sending a human to mars. Dudes spreading his money all over on so many dumb things. What about a scholarship for people who study medical research or helping people finance solar energy to reduce carbon usage.

Vegan burger. Jesus.

Actually animal product consumption is likely the leading cause of cancer. So, Bill is making a good dent in cancer by supporting plant-based burgers.

Cancer is also contagious (it actually is, but no one says it)

 

Going vegan is fine. In fact I have done it in the past for 8 months.

But, the key part is eating plant based foods that aren't processed.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
 

Actually, from a pure business standpoint, there's a LOT of business to be had in meat replacement and plant-based foods. Plant-based alternatives hit $3.3bn this year. Vegans make up now 5% of the total population, having just experienced 600% population growth in the past 4 years. It's a big and rapidly growing consumer segment. And companies like Nestle and Tyson Foods are getting in on the action.

 

From the Cancer Council of Australia, NSW

Meat and cancer There is now a clear body of evidence that bowel cancer is more common among those who eat the most red and processed meat. Processed meat consumption has also been strongly linked to a higher risk of stomach cancer.

The World Health Organization has classified processed meats – including ham, salami, bacon and frankfurts – as a Group 1 carcinogen which means that there is strong evidence that processed meats cause cancer. Red meat, such as beef, lamb and pork has been classified as a ‘probable’ cause of cancer. These classifications do not indicate the risk of getting cancer, rather how certain we are that these things are likely to cause cancer.

Cancer Council estimates that in 2010, one in six (or 2600) new bowel cancer cases in Australia were associated with consuming too much red meat and processed meat.

Lean red meat can be an important source of iron, zinc, vitamin B12 and protein. In terms of cancer risk there is no reason to cut meat completely from your diet, but there are steps you can take to reduce your risk.

There is not enough evidence to draw any conclusions on eating poultry and the risk of cancer. However, eating fish may help to reduce the risk of bowel, breast and prostate cancer.

Meat may affect cancer risk because of chemicals formed during digestion that have been found to damage the cells that line the bowel. Other likely factors include the fat content, and the way it is processed or cooked; or because big meat eaters miss out on other protective foods such as fruit and vegetables or wholegrain cereals.

How much meat should I eat? To reduce your risk of cancer, Cancer Council recommends eating no more than 700 grams (raw weight) of red meat per week. For good health we need less than this. Aim for a small 65g serve of cooked meat each day or 2 serves (130g) 3-4 times a week. Avoid consuming more than 455g of cooked lean red meat each week.

Cancer Council recommends people limit or avoid eating processed meats, which are high in fat, salt and nitrates. Because of the high fat and salt content of processed meats, the Australian Guide to Healthy Eating considers processed meats to be ‘discretionary choices’ that should only be eaten occasionally. (Examples of other discretionary choices that should only be eaten occasionally include fast food, cakes, confectionary and chips).

Try to choose lean cuts of meat or chicken, have more fish and make sure you eat plenty of plant-based foods such as fruit, vegetables and wholegrain cereals.

Fill half your dinner plate with vegetables and don’t think of meat as the main part of the meal. Include at least three different coloured vegetables with your main meal. Have some legume-based meals each week. Legumes include lentils, chickpeas, baked beans and red kidney beans. There are many types of dried peas and beans, which can be added to casseroles, soups or salads. Buy lean cuts of meat – with the fat trimmed off and little marbling of fat. Trim any visible fat off the meat before you cook it. Choose chicken pieces without the skin or remove skin before cooking. Canned fish like tuna and salmon make an easy sandwich with salad. Adapt your recipes to include more vegetables, eg add carrot, celery and peas to Bolognese sauce. For stir-fries, reduce the amount of meat and add extra vegetables. Experiment with vegetable risottos, frittatas made with vegetables and eggs, hearty vegetable soups or vegetable curries. Barbecues and charred meat Some research suggests that burnt or charred meat may increase the risk of cancer. Substances called heterocyclic amines are formed in foods that are cooked at high temperatures and blackened or charred. In animal studies, heterocyclic amines are carcinogenic (cancer causing). However, the evidence in human studies is not clear.It is recommended not to overcook or blacken meat on the barbecue. Marinating meat first prevents foods from charring. As well as keeping potential cancer causing agents down in the meat, marinating also keeps meat tender and adds flavour to your meal. You can also use gentler cooking methods such as casseroling, boiling or microwave heating rather than high-temperature grilling, pan-frying or barbecuing when cooking meat.

Read more at https://www.cancercouncil.com.au/21639/cancer-prevention/diet-exercise/…

 

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