So, What if Money Really Was No Object?

Eddie's post yesterday on the philosophy of ignoring money and doing what you like doing had me thinking about a few things.

1.) What would I actually do if money was not object at all?

2.) Does this counterintuitive form of thinking actually lead to greater financial gain in the long-run?

3.) Is this way of thinking at all realistic or is it simply an idealistic pipe dream?

Before tackling each of those questions, let's first have a refresher. Here's the video from Eddie's post yesterday. It's short, to the point, and has a nice soundtrack (don't all these videos?) Have a look:

Now, back to the questions at hand.

1.) So, what would I actually do if money was out of the question? I find this pretty tough to answer. And I'm pretty sure I'm not alone. After living a life seeking out a career in business, driven in part by a desire to accumulate wealth and in part by misguided views of what investment banking and private equity jobs would actually be like, it's tough to think differently. We've all been pushed by the same societal memes since we were expelled from the womb, so breaking away from those memes isn't easy.

That said, I do sometimes thing about what it'd be like if my so-called professional ambition went out the window and I just did anything that struck a chord with me. How much fun could that actually be? Thinking this way leads me towards one of two professions, either a detective or a reporter. Both combine critical thinking, problem solving, and human interaction in a way that doesn't mean endless conference calls and "talking offline."

2.) The idea that ignoring money and following what you love because "the money will come later" is not a new thought. But, is there any truth to this?

I think Mark Cuban said it best in regards to following your passion. "Don't follow your passion, follow your effort." His blog post on this topic is worth a read. In short, everyone has a passion, and most of us have more than one passion. What's important is to focus on something you actually put true time and effort into. Being passionate alone about something isn't enough for it to make you a living, you need to dedicate time and resources to something if you're going to make a living out of it.

I often find that many people are following dreams for all the wrong reasons. I get PMs from time to time asking me for advice on breaking into banking or PE or hedge funds. While most of the PMs are thoughtful and intelligent, I do sometimes question why people actually seek out some of the goals they do. When people casually mention that they'd "want to work at a hedge fund one day" but don't really care much for the stock market or follow any public companies, I tend to be confused and offer some blunt advice. Don't go for these things because they sound cool on paper, go for them because you're willing to bust your ass and absolutely immerse yourself in the jobs. If you're thinking seriously about a career in hedge funds and you don't even have a stock to pitch me, you're probably deluding yourself and not all that serious about a career in hedge funds. And guess what, there's nothing wrong with that, do something else, follow your effort...you'll be happy you didn't waste your time in a job you didn't really want.

3.) Is the video's philosophy legit? Or is it really just a pipe dream?

Personally, I think that if you're reasonable about your goals and live within your means, then it's definitely realistic. But that doesn't mean it's easy. It's never easy to take the path less traveled, especially when most of the people you likely know are on a traditional path.

I'd also add that it's much easier to "follow your dreams" if you've already got a little bit of money. I'm not saying you have to be rich, but imagine telling someone who doesn't have a dollar to their name to ignore money and do what they feel like doing. They might even be insulted.

What does WSO think? Most curiously, what would everyone really do if money were no object? I'm sure there are a few junkies that would keep doing what they're doing, but I'm sure some others have some interesting answers. Let me know in the comments.

 

I would either be a reporter or a photographer, more likely a photographer. I tend to think that there is only 2 ways to learn a lot of things in life: -reading books -experiencing things, which mean travelling, talking to a shitload of different peoples, trying anything you can (be it sports, meals, drugs, kamasutra whatever...) and develop true friendship and, if you ever got the chance, find love.

 

I definitely think Detective is a good one, something in the FBI/CIA/Intelligence community would be interesting also. For some reason I would also really like to teach, probably at the high school level, either math or business or comp sci or all of the above. Right now my plan would be to do that around age 40-45 if I have enough money to comfortably retire by then.

This to all my hatin' folks seeing me getting guac right now..
 
Cruncharoo:
I definitely think Detective is a good one, something in the FBI/CIA/Intelligence community would be interesting also. For some reason I would also really like to teach, probably at the high school level, either math or business or comp sci or all of the above. Right now my plan would be to do that around age 40-45 if I have enough money to comfortably retire by then.

A friend of mine actually recently left finance after about 5 years of banking and PE to teach. Is extremely happy despite the lower pay because she just likes teaching. Sounds cheesy, but she's happy.

I'll also admit that part of my detective fetish comes from watching too much old school Law & Order on Netflix. If you're ever bored, I recommend just about any episode from seasons 2 - 5. Lenny Briscoe is my hero.

 
Cruncharoo:
I definitely think Detective is a good one, something in the FBI/CIA/Intelligence community would be interesting also. For some reason I would also really like to teach, probably at the high school level, either math or business or comp sci or all of the above. Right now my plan would be to do that around age 40-45 if I have enough money to comfortably retire by then.

This sounds like another sequel to The Substitute.

 
Febreeze:
Cruncharoo:
I definitely think Detective is a good one, something in the FBI/CIA/Intelligence community would be interesting also. For some reason I would also really like to teach, probably at the high school level, either math or business or comp sci or all of the above. Right now my plan would be to do that around age 40-45 if I have enough money to comfortably retire by then.

This sounds like another sequel to The Substitute.

Never seent it. I like your sig

This to all my hatin' folks seeing me getting guac right now..
 
ucmaroon47:
Hands down I would go into coaching, football specifically.

Yeah this is good. I like coaching hockey a lot and definitely want to get back into that once I have the time to.

TheKing:
Cruncharoo:
I definitely think Detective is a good one, something in the FBI/CIA/Intelligence community would be interesting also. For some reason I would also really like to teach, probably at the high school level, either math or business or comp sci or all of the above. Right now my plan would be to do that around age 40-45 if I have enough money to comfortably retire by then.

A friend of mine actually recently left finance after about 5 years of banking and PE to teach. Is extremely happy despite the lower pay because she just likes teaching. Sounds cheesy, but she's happy.

I definitely could see being happy with it. One of my best friends is a teacher and it's pretty hard not to be jealous when he can go golfing every day from June-August and do whatever else he wants. I think it would also be beneficial to have teachers who have worked in business for a number of years because it brings some perspective and you'll be able to engage kids more than just saying 'you need to learn this for college.'

This to all my hatin' folks seeing me getting guac right now..
 

I would be a writer, hunter, and flyfisherman. Without fail, each time I do any of the three I learn something new about myself, and there isn't a better place to learn more about yourself than out in nature. Quartering an elk after having tracked it for a day and a half in Colorado with a friend was the most grueling, testing, absolutely incredible things I've ever done. Harder than any office all nighter, more rewarding than any year-end bonus. As Cuban said in your article: all three are passions, but none are feasible to pursue in the grand scheme of my career ambitions. It doesn't hurt that scotch perfectly supplements the three.

 
CaR:
I would be a writer, hunter, and flyfisherman. Without fail, each time I do any of the three I learn something new about myself, and there isn't a better place to learn more about yourself than out in nature. Quartering an elk after having tracked it for a day and a half in Colorado with a friend was the most grueling, testing, absolutely incredible things I've ever done. Harder than any office all nighter, more rewarding than any year-end bonus. As Cuban said in your article: all three are passions, but none are feasible to pursue in the grand scheme of my career ambitions. It doesn't hurt that scotch perfectly supplements the three.

Awesome answer. Not surprising considering you've got a Vonnegut quote in your signature, that dude was the man.

 

It's interesting that Alan Watts starts off specifically about students who are getting out of college.

Especially considering he died in '73. I don't think they had today's kind of access to student loans back then...

 

Teach high school. Coach football or rugby.

"For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry God. Bloody Mary full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now and at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon. Amen."
 

Interesting how many people choose other professions as opposed to other lifestyles, activities or ways of being. Brings up the question... why don't you change jobs?

I would love to be a rebel*, philosopher and writer. It seems like it could be an interesting life. Would also love to live for extended periods in several countries, learn their languages and experience their cultures ...

More practically I suppose becoming a filmmaker is within reach. At least at the independent level. Would allow me to pursue the aforementioned interests and also allow me to flex my deal making muscles and continue to travel, which is what I love about my career so far.

Ultimately I want more time to spend with my friends, family and loved ones.

*Why kind of rebel? I was thinking of anarchism, but I'm not dogmatic about the ideology and am pretty open to changing my mind given the right facts, morality and science.

 

1) Move to a new city/region/country every 3-6 months for a few years and absorb as much of the local culture and language as possible. Then, the moment I begin to feel stationary, rinse and repeat. 2) Read prodigiously 3) Study Bayesian Statistics (nerd interest)

I don't think I would want to be totally unemployed, however; I've been working in one form or another since I was 16. Maybe I'll be a freelance data analyst or something. When I was doing my MS I once took a $250 contract job for some random marketing firm that involved writing ~15 lines of code for a correlation matrix and a cluster analysis on R lol.

Maybe to top this all off I'll go on this kid's sojourn

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In The Flesh:
JoshuaPaul:
... I feel sad that I am having a hard time answering this question.

Time to start thinking about it then, pal.

The thing that makes it difficult is I have already done this with my current career choice, but shortly after I realized I do not enjoy the work and I am unhappy... and it makes me wonder if nothing is truly as rewarding and fun as it seems.

 

I think that Cuban is onto something, but effort v. passion seems to be a chicken and egg sort of thing. You're going to put effort into things that you're passionate about, and you're going to feel more passionate about things that you put effort into and are good at.

I think that a better reading of Cuban is to avoid false passions. It's quite easy, for example, to say "I'm passionate about X, Y, and Z." But how much time did you put into reading about X, Y, and Z last week? How often do you think about it? If you don't spend much time actively engaged in a particular "passion," then that probably means that you shouldn't pursue it as a career.

 
Hayek:
I think that Cuban is onto something, but effort v. passion seems to be a chicken and egg sort of thing. You're going to put effort into things that you're passionate about, and you're going to feel more passionate about things that you put effort into and are good at.

I think that a better reading of Cuban is to avoid false passions. It's quite easy, for example, to say "I'm passionate about X, Y, and Z." But how much time did you put into reading about X, Y, and Z last week? How often do you think about it? If you don't spend much time actively engaged in a particular "passion," then that probably means that you shouldn't pursue it as a career.

Great point. +1 SB for you.

 

I'm 20 years old, at a semi-target, in the best program the school has to offer to break into finance. One week ago, I switched my major from finance to a double in economics and psychology (because I love both). Today was my first night working as a bartender (I didn't and won't be paid for a while but I love it). This message has been jumping around in my head since before I even started college and I can't believe more people don't ask themselves if what they're doing is really right for them. Thank you to everyone that understands that the value in life is more than a big paycheck and all that other bullshit.

"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." - IlliniProgrammer
 
Senvik:
I'm 20 years old, at a semi-target, in the best program the school has to offer to break into finance. One week ago, I switched my major from finance to a double in economics and psychology (because I love both). Today was my first night working as a bartender (I didn't and won't be paid for a while but I love it). This message has been jumping around in my head since before I even started college and I can't believe more people don't ask themselves if what they're doing is really right for them. Thank you to everyone that understands that the value in life is more than a big paycheck and all that other bullshit.

But when you are dying of hunger Money is your only and always will be your only friend.

 

As the saying goes, money is not the root of all that is bad. Individual people are responsible for the choices made in life and the consequences thereof. Money is a necessity and without it nothing can function. Think about it. Anyone can do what they want to. But how will you eat during the process? Will you grow your own food? How will you travel? Will you walk thousands of miles to get to a destination? Who will build the car you travel in? What if they wanted you to pay them in a specific commodity that you cannot obtain? Money is that common medium of exchange and without it nothing in this world can function efficiently.

 

'Its stupid to spend your life doing things you don't like so you can keep living your life doing things you don't like'

This is very true, but for most the idea behind working is to do something (even if you'd rather be roaming around outside) you are interested in for a period of time so later in your life you can actually do things you truly enjoy and would do if money were not an object.

It might be nice to drop everything and live the 'simple life' and there is nothing necessarily wrong with this if you are a single man and never plan on having a family.

You are able to blog / write about finance, etc. because you worked hard for so long and were successful at it, no? I think you'd have a lot harder time doing what you are currently doing & keeping a solid following if you spent your last 20 years doing something leisurely like traveling (which would have left you with no finance knowledge) or teaching finance (which would leave you with little credibility).

 

love the sponsorship by Jos A bank but to be honest I have tried my best to get away from money and do something I love (education and non-profit work) and have tried to always do that at least once a week. It keeps me sane and driven to make enough money where I can donate all my time to that cause.

My philosophy is simple (stolen from Bryan Dyson)

Imagine life as a game in which you are juggling some five balls in the air. You name them – Work, Family, Health, Friends and Spirit and you’re keeping all of these in the air.

You will soon understand that work is a rubber ball. If you drop it, it will bounce back. But the other four balls – Family, Health, Friends and Spirit – are made of glass. If you drop one of these; they will be irrevocably scuffed, marked, nicked, damaged or even shattered. They will never be the same. You must understand that and strive for it.

 
hockey1316:
love the sponsorship by Jos A bank but to be honest I have tried my best to get away from money and do something I love (education and non-profit work) and have tried to always do that at least once a week. It keeps me sane and driven to make enough money where I can donate all my time to that cause.

My philosophy is simple (stolen from Bryan Dyson)

Imagine life as a game in which you are juggling some five balls in the air. You name them – Work, Family, Health, Friends and Spirit and you’re keeping all of these in the air.

You will soon understand that work is a rubber ball. If you drop it, it will bounce back. But the other four balls – Family, Health, Friends and Spirit – are made of glass. If you drop one of these; they will be irrevocably scuffed, marked, nicked, damaged or even shattered. They will never be the same. You must understand that and strive for it.

What a nice way of looking at things. If only I had not such a hatred for reading, I would discover so much interesting things like this.

 

I've never understood how people can work so hard at something they don't enjoy. There are lots of ways to make money besides an 8-5 desk job.

All I care about in life is accumulating bananas
 

My favorite thing about these videos is the music, one of these days, preferably a rainy one, I'm just going to gather the background music for all of them and sit out on my balcony with some beers, a pen, and paper.

 

Paging Stephen Ridley?

Look, I'll be first to admit that doing something you hate isn't worthwhile, but the fact is that life is kind of a pain in the ass without money. Money buys options and opportunities, and it can be used for good. Is money itself bad, or are the people who worship it bad?

Oh wait, that's too long/too much effort for a 3 minute Youtube video.

Metal. Music. Life. www.headofmetal.com
 

Why the "what if"? Money is not an object...

It is a social construct... It is not an object, it is a relation... All of it's functions as a medium of exchange, a store of value, as a tool of policy/power, etc... are due to how we organise our societies and how we relate to one another.

Therefore, to pursue money for its own sake is meaningless. One needs to know what one wants it for, or why one pursues it. It is more fruitful to focus on those ends instead.

^ Less new-agey, but the way i view money.

 
Relinquis:
Why the "what if"? Money is not an object...

It is a social construct... It is not an object, it is a relation... All of it's functions as a medium of exchange, a store of value, as a tool of policy/power, etc... are due to how we organise our societies and how we relate to one another.

Therefore, to pursue money for its own sake is meaningless. One needs to know what one wants it for, or why one pursues it. It is more fruitful to focus on those ends instead.

^ Less new-agey, but the way i view money.

As long as we don't hoard it, waste it, or worship it, money's pretty nice.

Metal. Music. Life. www.headofmetal.com
 

Yes money doesn't buy happiness, but neither does poverty.

After 2 years of banking I realized finance just sorta sucks overall. Even if you are on the buy-side, you are always working for someone else unless you establish your own firm. That's fine for a lot of people but not for me. I'm happy to still collect a nice paycheck but I'm starting to pursue my own business ideas. YOLO.

 
Banker88:
Yes money doesn't buy happiness, but neither does poverty.

After 2 years of banking I realized finance just sorta sucks overall. Even if you are on the buy-side, you are always working for someone else unless you establish your own firm. That's fine for a lot of people but not for me. I'm happy to still collect a nice paycheck but I'm starting to pursue my own business ideas. YOLO.

Tim Ferriss, is that you?

Metal. Music. Life. www.headofmetal.com
 

Happiness is a state of mind. Trick yourself into thinking you're happy and it slowly gets easier to do so. Money is more like opportunity. With money you can open many doors. However, the hard part is recognizing the doors with minimal ROI from those with significant ROI. My advice is to fix the problem (happiness) and not the symptoms (money, friends, family, work, etc.). Once you are happy, the rest starts to come together as people think you've got what they're after.

 

Eddie, great video. I've been thinking about writing about this exact topic, though I hadn't ever seen the video or heard this specific audio track.

Quick Thoughts:

1.) Anyone reacting with visceral disgust or disdain for the message of the video is either young and still worshipping Gekko (with no legitimate understanding of what a banking job is all about) or is deluding themselves into thinking that money = happiness.

2.) We live in a society that constantly bombards us with images of a better life driven by material things and money. I mean, shit, we have an entire political party whose entire message is that of felating so-called "job creators" as being some sort of superior race. Wealth is absolutely worshipped in this country and it's honestly kind of insane. The worship of wealth makes people miserable and keeps them on a treadmill that they keep running on for the sole purpose of making money to keep running on it. People are, generally, too terrified to get of the treadmill and do something different or, worse yet, they're too deep in debt to make it happen without dire consequences.

4.) Some of the best and brightest we have will never be rich, but contribute in truly amazing ways and do things that money could never match, aren't they also worthy of praise?

5.) What people need to do, more than anything, is understand how to live within their means. If you can stay debt-free and avoid unnecessary material possessions, you can basically do anything you want. Obviously, that doesn't mean you can necessarily be an astronaut or a pro athlete, but you also won't be tied to some shitty office job that you hate but need because of all the bills you've got to pay. It will give you options.

6.) Lastly, I'm not advocating that we all sit in bongo drum circles reciting poetry, but I'm arguing that people need to live the life they want to live, not the life that they feel is expected of them. It's not an easy thing to do, and I'd argue it requires a certain level of bravery. If you choose to step out of the rat race, you may very well find less support than you expect. Friends or family might scoff at you. Human beings are quite capable of acting like crabs in a bucket. Even if they might say they want you to do something different, they may want to see you fail deep down inside because seeing someone escape the daily grind of the rat race that isn't them will lead to a deep and poisonous envy. Obviously, this isn't always the case, but I've definitely seen it first-hand.

 

"Money can't buy happiness"

I feel like this statement is almost always spoken from the mouth of someone who, for lack of better words, was never poor.

I was born and spent a good portion of my formative years in a third world country. My family was very poor by US standards. Even after migrating to the US and my mom's new job, money was still very tight. Growing up in this type of environment, constantly worrying about money, leaves a lasting impact. Money may not buy happiness but a lack of it sure can destroy happiness.

I'm doing decently well for myself now and every time I look back at my younger years I really am happy I took the path I did and choose money over some of the other choices I had.

 
whitemamba1309:
"Money can't buy happiness"

I feel like this statement is almost always spoken from the mouth of someone who, for lack of better words, was never poor.

I was born and spent a good portion of my formative years in a third world country. My family was very poor by US standards. Even after migrating to the US and my mom's new job, money was still very tight. Growing up in this type of environment, constantly worrying about money, leaves a lasting impact. Money may not buy happiness but a lack of it sure can destroy happiness.

I'm doing decently well for myself now and every time I look back at my younger years I really am happy I took the path I did and choose money over some of the other choices I had.

"Money doesn't solve all problems" is a more correct statement.

All I care about in life is accumulating bananas
 

Great video. The audio narration is from a recording by Alan Watts. He was a fascinating thinker, and his works revolved around a "modern" interpretation and popularization of zen buddhism and ancient eastern philosophy for a western audience. I sheepishly admit that I have all of his recordings. There are many videos that have been made using his recordings.

 

For those of you who aren't into Buddhism or Eastern Philosophy... Some advice from a 1903 American... The Ambassadors by Henry James...

"Live all you can; it's a mistake not to. It doesn't so much matter what you do in particular, so long as you have your life. If you haven't had that what have you had? ...

I haven't done so enough before — and now I'm old; too old at any rate for what I see. Oh I do see, at least; and more than you'd believe or I can express. It's too late. And it's as if the train had fairly waited at the station for me without my having had the gumption to know it was there. Now I hear its faint receding whistle miles and miles down the line. What one loses one loses; make no mistake about that. The affair — I mean the affair of life — couldn't, no doubt, have been different for me; for it's at the best a tin mould, either fluted and embossed, with ornamental excrescences, or else smooth and dreadfully plain, into which, a helpless jelly, one's consciousness is poured — so that one 'takes' the form as the great cook says, and is more or less compactly held by it: one lives in fine as one can.

Still, one has the illusion of freedom; therefore don't be, like me, without the memory of that illusion. I was either, at the right time, too stupid or too intelligent to have it; I don't quite know which. Of course at present I'm a case of reaction against the mistake; and the voice of reaction should, no doubt, always be taken with an allowance. But that doesn't affect the point that the right time is now yours. The right time is any time that one is still so lucky as to have. You've plenty; that's the great thing; you're, as I say, damn you, so happily and hatefully young. Don't at any rate miss things out of stupidity. Of course I don't take you for a fool, or I shouldn't be addressing you thus awfully. Do what you like so long as you don't make my mistake. For it was a mistake. Live!"

Emphasis added

 

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