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It's well known that discrimination occurs over height, hair color, attractiveness, etc. in the hiring process or in the work place. Weight discrimination has risen 66% in the last decade according to the Journal of Obesity. And guess what? It is legal in every state except Michigan to discriminate against obese applicants for business reasons. Did you never lose that extra beer weight from college? Well you might consider spending some extra time at the gym, it could soon be as important as getting your resume to look perfect :

The obese are absent from work more often than people of healthy weight. The most obese men take 5.9 more sick days a year; the most obese women, 9.4 days more. Obesity-related absenteeism costs employers as much as $6.4 billion a year, health economists led by Eric Finkelstein of Duke University calculated.

Do you think discriminating against the obese is OK? Do you discriminate against obese applicants when you interview? How important is physical appearance in your workplace?

I don't know about the rest of you but I've been steadily dropping some weight for a while and still have a way to go, but this is good motivation. It is going to be interesting to see how this issue develops over the next few years as America's obesity problem grows. It's pretty obvious to see that weight has affected the careers of people like Chris Christie.

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Comments (99)

  • In reply to TonyPerkis
    Johnny Ringo's picture

    ToiletPaper:
    technoviking:
    no athletes here then? sucks for you guys

    just big tubbos

    i'd definitely discriminate against Tubbos, Hippos, fatties. If its your name on the door you want the best and brightest to represent you. That goes for branding as well as your employees. You want people that project the company in a positive light. Fatties can be the next Warren Buffett but he won't be the face of my company.

    You need to be in halfway decent shape to look good and also be able to walk and talk without having a heartattack.

    Cut out the beers and fast food and wake up 30mins earlier and go for a run each morning. Its that simple.

    I have 0 sympathy for fat F*cks. Fatties are the reason for higher insurance premiums, more fast food entities.

    EXERCISE and don't eat anything made by a man...Jack LiLane told me that when i was younger.

    Eventus stultorum magister.

  • Relentless101's picture

    There is absolutely no reason undergrad applicants should enter an interview over weight. You should be able to find at least a little time to get in the gym. Hell, run to class or ride a damn bike. I can easily see how hard it will be to find time to do these things once full time in IB. But come on. No one is working +-80 hours a week in college. Also, you don't need to starve yourself to lose weight. It is actually quite opposite. Starving yourself too much causes your body to store more fat. Eat often, but actually good food. We're talking protein, veggies, carbs, and healthy fats. Don't blow 1000 calories a night on beer. And if you do, you better put in extra at the gym.

  • In reply to paulydreamer
    bulge_bracket's picture

    paulydreamer:
    analyst-therapist:
    I have been fat like (over 60 pounds overweight) so yes i know what i'm talking about. It takes alot of self control and discipline to not eat and to work out. But it is very very doable. I dont really subscribe to the whole addiction is a disease thing either. I have quit many things that I supposedly should have been addicted to (cigarettes, eating, etc) and I am of the opinion that is more lack of willpower and discipline that promotes addiction rather than a "disease"

    Either way, giving reasons why its hard to not be fat does not give me anymore sympathy for being fat. Fat people will continue to be discriminated against plain and simple.

    ^Agreed^

    I have lost over 130 pounds and it wasn't easy. It took alot of self control and frankly being pisst off at the situation. Now Im still big and working out twice a day so I should be a "normie" by this year. I do feel a 1000 times better and have tons of energy so I understand why you would want a healthy work force. On the disease front I will go with my wife's opinion as she is an expert. She best explaines it as a chemical disordered an is an addiction (in some cases). The hardest part she says is that you can't just can't quit eating like you can quit cocaine or smoking. You have to manage your addiction to food and just have the willpower to put the fork down and go sweat.
    I don't pity large people as I have been there and know how they feel. They need encouragement to lose weight (they know they need to) not negativity. Trust me when your large life is kind of a negative in perspective. However, back on point losing weight rocks. I feel great I get to dress in great clothes and I got the girl!!!

    Good job on your weight loss! And agree with your points, obviously it's not going to send you into convulsions like quitting a hard drug will, but there's something to be said for the fact that one can't just stop eating until they've lost 100 pounds, unfortunately we all have to keep eating and simply limit it.

  • In reply to bulge_bracket
    paulydreamer's picture

    bulge_bracket:
    paulydreamer:
    analyst-therapist:
    I have been fat like (over 60 pounds overweight) so yes i know what i'm talking about. It takes alot of self control and discipline to not eat and to work out. But it is very very doable. I dont really subscribe to the whole addiction is a disease thing either. I have quit many things that I supposedly should have been addicted to (cigarettes, eating, etc) and I am of the opinion that is more lack of willpower and discipline that promotes addiction rather than a "disease"

    Either way, giving reasons why its hard to not be fat does not give me anymore sympathy for being fat. Fat people will continue to be discriminated against plain and simple.

    ^Agreed^

    I have lost over 130 pounds and it wasn't easy. It took alot of self control and frankly being pisst off at the situation. Now Im still big and working out twice a day so I should be a "normie" by this year. I do feel a 1000 times better and have tons of energy so I understand why you would want a healthy work force. On the disease front I will go with my wife's opinion as she is an expert. She best explaines it as a chemical disordered an is an addiction (in some cases). The hardest part she says is that you can't just can't quit eating like you can quit cocaine or smoking. You have to manage your addiction to food and just have the willpower to put the fork down and go sweat.
    I don't pity large people as I have been there and know how they feel. They need encouragement to lose weight (they know they need to) not negativity. Trust me when your large life is kind of a negative in perspective. However, back on point losing weight rocks. I feel great I get to dress in great clothes and I got the girl!!!

    Good job on your weight loss! And agree with your points, obviously it's not going to send you into convulsions like quitting a hard drug will, but there's something to be said for the fact that one can't just stop eating until they've lost 100 pounds, unfortunately we all have to keep eating and simply limit it.

    Exactly. Thats how I did it. I had 1 rule on food it had to be nutritious and delicious for me to eat it. I followed that rule and drank a lot of water. I also got into High Intensity Interval Tranning and the weight just melted off. It is hard for anybody who hasn't been through it to understand. Hell I cannot understand why my Brother just can't quit smoking even though he tried a few times. However, It is unhealthy and it is a growing epidemic so it needs to be address on a national level.

    Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men.- JFK

  • In reply to bulge_bracket
    aempirei's picture

    bulge_bracket:
    aempirei:
    Nobama88:
    Unless you have a genetic disorder, being an alcoholic is entirely up to you. Alcoholics just need to put the bottle down. Its just self control, I mean why cant you just not open a beer... its really not hard. They are just lazy and have no respect for themselves. It says something about your work ethic and priorities. I've never been an alcoholic, so I cant really speak from that perspective, but I also dont drink alcohol so its kind of a self fulfilling prophecy thing.

    And what was your point again? Alcoholism *IS* a disease. Being fat because you like the taste of twinkies and comfort food because your boyfriend or girlfriend dumped you is not.

    Read my earlier post/the link about sugar. Sugar lights up pleasure centers and addiction centers in the brain much like cocaine and heroin does. In fact, a new study shows that sugar is FAR more addictive than cocaine. When a person eats those twinkies, his brain lights up. So he gains a few pounds. The problem is that eating too many carbohydrates (as we've been doing more and more, thank you U.S. food pyramid!) leads to an insulin spike, which then makes the eater feel hungry again when blood sugar drops, and so they eat more, and so more insulin gets dumped in, until the user is insulin-resistant, and finally, diabetic. I was insulin-resistant: my insulin level was 5 times that of a normal person and I was 17. I'm completely fine and normalized now, but I was on the track to become diabetic. In this way, because of how the sugar especially acts on body chemistry, certain types of obesity *ARE* diseases much the same as alcoholism is a disease. You can literally become *addicted* to sugar and food, not in the "I like twinkies, yum" sense, but in the "My body is shaking and I need my fix of sugar" sense. When you drink too much, you stop drinking easily and say "I'm detoxing for the week." The alcoholic feels awful and has physiological reactions when they stop drinking. Much the same way, when you eat too much, you stop eating and feel fine. When the fatty tries to stop eating so much, physiological reactions occur that are different than yours in his body.
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive...

    I saw that special on the Science channel, it was pretty good.

    Regardless, there is a simple fix. It's called eating foods that are low on the Glycemic Index (GI). If you don't want to develop obesity/diabetes, stop eating fucking sugar. When you eat foods low on the GI, your blood sugar doesn't spike and drop and you stay "full" for longer, suppressing your appetite. It all starts with the individual, you have to make the conscious effort to change.

    I am an American, but our country is becoming a bunch of pussies by diagnosing every little thing as an "epidemic" or "disease" rather than taking ownership of our gluttonous lifestyle. There's a reason why the rest of the developed world isn't as obese as Americans, because this "sugar disease" is a crock of shit.

    It has been proven time and again that treating the symptoms is not the way to fix a problem, you've got to cure the disease (aka apathy, sloth, laziness in this country).

    My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.

  • In reply to Nobama88
    aempirei's picture

    Nobama88:
    aempirei:
    Nobama88:
    Unless you have a genetic disorder, being an alcoholic is entirely up to you. Alcoholics just need to put the bottle down. Its just self control, I mean why cant you just not open a beer... its really not hard. They are just lazy and have no respect for themselves. It says something about your work ethic and priorities. I've never been an alcoholic, so I cant really speak from that perspective, but I also dont drink alcohol so its kind of a self fulfilling prophecy thing.

    And what was your point again? Alcoholism *IS* a disease. Being fat because you like the taste of twinkies and comfort food because your boyfriend or girlfriend dumped you is not.

    The New England Journal of Medicine would highly disagree with you. But, I am sure you know so much more. Just put the bottle down, budddy.


    Notice how I prefaced my comments with "Genetic Disorders (ie: disease) excluded?" Let's work on the reading comprehension. The point is, just because you are fat, doesn't mean you have a disease. There are in fact some people in this world that are just lazy pieces of shit and don't care about themselves and to let them off the hook by saying they have a "disease" is pathetic.

    My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.

  • paulydreamer's picture

    I think its a "culture" epidemic not medical. Its become acceptable here in America and that goes to our sedintary lifestlye. You are 100% right on all of that. I also made sure all my food was low on the GI it helped me . You have to take ownership because it isnt no ones fault but yourself (In most cases).

    My story is a little different I was an athlete and was in an incedent that changed my lifestlye for awhile.

    Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men.- JFK

  • In reply to aempirei
    bulge_bracket's picture

    aempirei:
    bulge_bracket:
    aempirei:
    Nobama88:
    Unless you have a genetic disorder, being an alcoholic is entirely up to you. Alcoholics just need to put the bottle down. Its just self control, I mean why cant you just not open a beer... its really not hard. They are just lazy and have no respect for themselves. It says something about your work ethic and priorities. I've never been an alcoholic, so I cant really speak from that perspective, but I also dont drink alcohol so its kind of a self fulfilling prophecy thing.

    And what was your point again? Alcoholism *IS* a disease. Being fat because you like the taste of twinkies and comfort food because your boyfriend or girlfriend dumped you is not.

    Read my earlier post/the link about sugar. Sugar lights up pleasure centers and addiction centers in the brain much like cocaine and heroin does. In fact, a new study shows that sugar is FAR more addictive than cocaine. When a person eats those twinkies, his brain lights up. So he gains a few pounds. The problem is that eating too many carbohydrates (as we've been doing more and more, thank you U.S. food pyramid!) leads to an insulin spike, which then makes the eater feel hungry again when blood sugar drops, and so they eat more, and so more insulin gets dumped in, until the user is insulin-resistant, and finally, diabetic. I was insulin-resistant: my insulin level was 5 times that of a normal person and I was 17. I'm completely fine and normalized now, but I was on the track to become diabetic. In this way, because of how the sugar especially acts on body chemistry, certain types of obesity *ARE* diseases much the same as alcoholism is a disease. You can literally become *addicted* to sugar and food, not in the "I like twinkies, yum" sense, but in the "My body is shaking and I need my fix of sugar" sense. When you drink too much, you stop drinking easily and say "I'm detoxing for the week." The alcoholic feels awful and has physiological reactions when they stop drinking. Much the same way, when you eat too much, you stop eating and feel fine. When the fatty tries to stop eating so much, physiological reactions occur that are different than yours in his body.
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive...

    I saw that special on the Science channel, it was pretty good.

    Regardless, there is a simple fix. It's called eating foods that are low on the Glycemic Index (GI). If you don't want to develop obesity/diabetes, stop eating fucking sugar. When you eat foods low on the GI, your blood sugar doesn't spike and drop and you stay "full" for longer, suppressing your appetite. It all starts with the individual, you have to make the conscious effort to change.

    I am an American, but our country is becoming a bunch of pussies by diagnosing every little thing as an "epidemic" or "disease" rather than taking ownership of our gluttonous lifestyle. There's a reason why the rest of the developed world isn't as obese as Americans, because this "sugar disease" is a crock of shit.

    It has been proven time and again that treating the symptoms is not the way to fix a problem, you've got to cure the disease (aka apathy, sloth, laziness in this country).

    I actually pretty much agree with you, especially about the GI. I think we eat way too many refined carbs as a culture (again, thank you food pyramid! "Make sure you eat 12 servings of grain a day!") We've villified good fats and replaced them with carbs. When I lost my 65 pounds (I was pre-diabetic), I was put on a diet of 50-100 grams of carbs a day, less than 40g of fat, and 150 or so grams of protein. Not exactly Atkins but still pretty low-carb. The idea was to have the protein give me whatever blood sugar I may need and to eat six times a day, small meals. But I will tell you that getting into it was a fucking nightmare. I still vividly remember the first day: it was 4 pm or so, I even had an extra snack cause I was that fucking hungry, and I remember I literally felt my head pounding and my stomach growling with hunger. I tried to take a nap but even then I just sat with my head face down on the bed trying to wait for dinner and supress how hungry I was. I would have killed for even something like dark chocolate, but I couldn't have any. I wasn't just hungry, I was ravenous. The kind of ravenous that evolution promots to MAKE you eat. After about a week or so, the cravings started to subside. I allowed myself to cheat once a week, one meal with a dessert or fries or whatever, so that I could stick to it. The bottom line is that yes, it may be over the top to say it's a disease per se, but it differs from person to person and at least with me, I had almost uncontrollable cravings that made me feel like shit. Everyone's different. But yes, your'e right. Once you get into foods that have low readings on the GI, you're golden. It's just difficult to get there if you haven't been there.

  • paulydreamer's picture

    Buldge:
    If I had a SB I'd hook you up. I have been there and I understand. I agree 100% with your post. Once you are over the hump its easy.

    Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men.- JFK

  • jillmac's picture

    In 2007 in Argentina a guy lobbied for an 'ugly tax credit' ... he lost, but it was still an interesting concept:
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=38576...

    Play games and get a finance job or internship with ConnectCubed

  • aempirei's picture

    Bulge and pauly,

    I give you guys both props for taking ownership of your position, regardless of how it initially came to be. If more Americans were like you 63% of our adult population wouldn't be overweight (36.5%) or obese (26.5%). You two both just proved through anecdotal evidence that it really only requires the desire from the individual to be fed up with his appearance, fitness level, etc. to decide to make a change.

    I've never been overweight, but a few years ago I noticed my fitness level declined dramatically and I put on a few pounds and I made the decision to quit smoking cigarettes, cut out sugar, sodium (as much as I could) and simple carbs from my diet and eat wheat bread/pasta whenever possible. Once you start eating healthy, unhealthy foods are simply unappealing. I started lifting weights 3x a week and running 3x a week. Once you start seeing results, it becomes a part of your routine and you actually look forward to working out. Results are an incredible motivator.

    Someone mentioned earlier that fat people are self-conscious in the gym or something. Who gives a shit. Work out for yourself and fuck what other people think. As long as you are trying and stay committed, you will see results. Not everyone is gonna look like Arnold in his prime, but just focus on making small incremental results, not trying to lose more than a pound or two a week and it will happen.

    My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.

  • paulydreamer's picture

    aempirei,

    You are right on that post. My goal wasnt to lose weight I tried that and I failed. I just told myself to have a healthy life and if I loose weight thats great. My weight lost was the side effect of living a healthy active life. I wasn't trying to lose 136 (Just weighed at work) That number wouldve been too big and I prolly wouldve given up. The message shouldnt be loose weight. It should be just live a healthy active happy life and just by correlation the weight will be dropped.
    back on topic firms should strive for a healthy work force. You are what you eat and a firm is who it hires.

    Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men.- JFK

  • couchy's picture

    being fat doesnt necessarily mean lazy. In my case, I gave up everything including my shape to work really hard and save money. I ate mcdonalds everyday because it was open 24 hrs and very close to the office.

    In that situation, its not simple food out > food in = weight loss. That kind of stress from lack of sleep, riduculously unhealthy foods, tight deadlines, and never getting some sun will destroy your body in a month.

    But that all paid off when I got into one of the best healthcare investing teams in the world.

    I'd say you need to look at how being fat plays in to the big picture.

  • wolverine19x89's picture

    This is tricky for me, some overweight people really do have physical factors that they can't control that make them obese. I'd give a lot more leeway to an older overweight person seeing as it should be way harder for them to lose weight than a 20 year old. But yeah, being overweight does kind of give me the sense of that person being too lazy to work out or at least eat better... which is fucked up because the only reason I'm not a fat slob is because I have a super fast metabolism.

    If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

    "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

  • sick_willy's picture

    As has been said before: It's not easy to eat right and make it to the gym consistently when you're a junior guy. It's tough and takes a ton of willpower. The last thing you want to do sometimes is go to the gym in the evening knowing it's going to tack on two extra hours of work when you get back to your desk.

    That being said, it's doable, but please don't preach to analysts about packing on some extra pounds without having experienced the analyst lifestyle.

    ---------------------------
    BossMode

  • aempirei's picture

    I think this discussion was about being fat *BEFORE* you even get to your analyst stint. There's a big difference there. If you go in as a IB analyst already obese, you are probably gonna die within a few years.

    My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.

  • In reply to wolverine19x89
    PetEng's picture

    wolverine19x89:
    This is tricky for me, some overweight people really do have physical factors that they can't control that make them obese. I'd give a lot more leeway to an older overweight person seeing as it should be way harder for them to lose weight than a 20 year old. But yeah, being overweight does kind of give me the sense of that person being too lazy to work out or at least eat better... which is fucked up because the only reason I'm not a fat slob is because I have a super fast metabolism.
    This still doesn't make sense to me. How does someone's genetics determine caloric intake versus caloric burn.
  • Neighbor's picture

    Genetics definitely do play a factor in metabolism. They also play a factor in your body type and shape (ectomorph vs mesomorph vs. endomorph) but genetics will never make you fat. It can make it easier for you to gain fat, but it is up to the person to realize this and adjust their lifestyle accordingly if they do not want To be fat. For example an endomorph will put on fat in more noticeable areas than an ectomorph or mesomorph, but the endomorph should realize this and hit the weight and cardio more often. That's just life. No one said it would be fair. Some people are born dumber and will have to work harder and study more often than somebody that has natural genius abilities. Same thing with your body weight and physical appearance. Don't whine about sugar addiction and put in some hard work. Eat healthy (and at a caloric deficit) and hit the weights/cardio. Not just so you can get an IB job, but so maybe you will get the chance to see your grand kids grow up. That is all.

    I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

  • wolverine19x89's picture

    PetEng:
    wolverine19x89:
    This is tricky for me, some overweight people really do have physical factors that they can't control that make them obese. I'd give a lot more leeway to an older overweight person seeing as it should be way harder for them to lose weight than a 20 year old. But yeah, being overweight does kind of give me the sense of that person being too lazy to work out or at least eat better... which is fucked up because the only reason I'm not a fat slob is because I have a super fast metabolism.
    This still doesn't make sense to me. How does someone's genetics determine caloric intake versus caloric burn.

    I have no idea, but I eat like a fucking pig and am still a scrawny lil fuck.

    If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

    "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

  • In reply to wolverine19x89
    aempirei's picture

    wolverine19x89:
    PetEng:
    wolverine19x89:
    This is tricky for me, some overweight people really do have physical factors that they can't control that make them obese. I'd give a lot more leeway to an older overweight person seeing as it should be way harder for them to lose weight than a 20 year old. But yeah, being overweight does kind of give me the sense of that person being too lazy to work out or at least eat better... which is fucked up because the only reason I'm not a fat slob is because I have a super fast metabolism.
    This still doesn't make sense to me. How does someone's genetics determine caloric intake versus caloric burn.

    I have no idea, but I eat like a fucking pig and am still a scrawny lil fuck.


    How old are you? Your metabolism will start slowing down by your mid-20s and then it's up to you to decide if you wanna let yourself go or incorporate diet and exercise so you can still look and fuck like a G.

    My name is Nicky, but you can call me Dre.

  • In reply to couchy
    TonyPerkis's picture

    couchy:
    being fat doesnt necessarily mean lazy. In my case, I gave up everything including my shape to work really hard and save money. I ate mcdonalds everyday because it was open 24 hrs and very close to the office.

    In that situation, its not simple food out > food in = weight loss. That kind of stress from lack of sleep, riduculously unhealthy foods, tight deadlines, and never getting some sun will destroy your body in a month.

    But that all paid off when I got into one of the best healthcare investing teams in the world.

    I'd say you need to look at how being fat plays in to the big picture.

    so you're saying there was no other place to get food within the same distance or close to the same distance as the mcdonalds? I find that very hard to believe..and dont say its cheap..u get a meal for like 5 bucks minimum...making your own sandwich costs about 2 bucks.

    I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

  • arant's picture

    I have the reverse argument

    Fat person => generally unattractive => no social life => greater time at work => definite hire unless its a client facing role

    I've also observed that the fat guys tend to get away with it being the "jolly good" fellow types but the chubby women are the worst hit imho

    Simplicity is the highest form of sophistication ~ Leonardo da Vinci

  • In reply to TonyPerkis
    Johnny Ringo's picture

    ToiletPaper:
    couchy:
    being fat doesnt necessarily mean lazy. In my case, I gave up everything including my shape to work really hard and save money. I ate mcdonalds everyday because it was open 24 hrs and very close to the office.

    In that situation, its not simple food out > food in = weight loss. That kind of stress from lack of sleep, riduculously unhealthy foods, tight deadlines, and never getting some sun will destroy your body in a month.

    But that all paid off when I got into one of the best healthcare investing teams in the world.

    I'd say you need to look at how being fat plays in to the big picture.

    so you're saying there was no other place to get food within the same distance or close to the same distance as the mcdonalds? I find that very hard to believe..and dont say its cheap..u get a meal for like 5 bucks minimum...making your own sandwich costs about 2 bucks.

    What Sangwich do you make each day?

    Eventus stultorum magister.

  • BigBucks's picture

    Genetics definitely plays a role in obesity. My Dad is like 5'8, 145 pounds at the age of 52 and he eats whatever he wants (has not spent a day int he gym either). I have 2 little sisters and a little brother, we are probably all "underweight". No, our parents did not have us eating healthy, we've eaten pretty much whatever we want our whole lives. I am almost certain I can eat whatever I want for the rest of my life and it'll clog up my arteries with cholesterol and cause a heart attack before I even hit 185 pds (I am currently 5'11 fluctuating between 148-160 which is the heaviest I've ever been).

    p.s. this is not to say fatties get a free pass, even counting for HORRID genes there is no way 68% of the American population should be overweight.

  • In reply to Neighbor
    bulge_bracket's picture

    Neighbor:
    Genetics definitely do play a factor in metabolism. They also play a factor in your body type and shape (ectomorph vs mesomorph vs. endomorph) but genetics will never make you fat. It can make it easier for you to gain fat, but it is up to the person to realize this and adjust their lifestyle accordingly if they do not want To be fat. For example an endomorph will put on fat in more noticeable areas than an ectomorph or mesomorph, but the endomorph should realize this and hit the weight and cardio more often. That's just life. No one said it would be fair. Some people are born dumber and will have to work harder and study more often than somebody that has natural genius abilities. Same thing with your body weight and physical appearance. Don't whine about sugar addiction and put in some hard work. Eat healthy (and at a caloric deficit) and hit the weights/cardio. Not just so you can get an IB job, but so maybe you will get the chance to see your grand kids grow up. That is all.

    Agree. For whoever questioned metabolism differences, the answer is simply that one person who's 6'0" and weighs 150 pounds may burn 2000 calories a day naturally (as in their BMR, if they just sat in bed all day) whereas another person who's 6'0" and weighs 215 pounds may still only burn 2000 calories a day naturally. Whenever a person gains weight, it takes more calories to maintain the body, but unfortunately if the second person were 150 pounds, he'd be burning fewer calories than the first person, which will usually result in a higher "normal" weight unless the second person really works at it. This is by no means an excuse for obesity, just an explanation for why some people naturally are ripped whereas others, even if they spend tons of time in the gym and eat right, can't really seem to get that six pack.

    It's also ironic that those who are endomorphs today may have held a past evolutionary advantage. I'm an endomorph - I don't really have a "gut," the fat that I have is retained in my love handles and hips. It sucks because when I wear t-shirts they get a little bit wider toward my waist, and my arms and legs are literally so lean that when I walk my calf muscles jut out recognizably, but like I said, I've worked at it and am still working at it and am only about 5 pounds away from medically being classified as "normal weight." Regarding the whole sugar thing we're discussing, you have to realize that for the mast majority of human history, sugar was extremely rare. We ate vegetables, fruits, meat, and fish. No grains, no pasta, nothing like that. That's why whenever we found fruits, we ate as many as we could (hence the intense and natural predisposition to love sugar and sweet foods), and then when those plants were exhausted, we lived off of game (which is why when you cut carbs out of your diet, you go into a metabolic state kalled ketosis where you live off of your own fat and don't feel as hungry). So essentially, the people who held the best chance for survival gorged whenever they found sweet foods and then lived off of the fat from said foods whenever the foods weren't there. I think it's interesting because we are "programmed" to always try to cling to our fat for as long as possible and eat whatever carbs exist. The problem is that today, we have food everywhere. Not only that, but a lot of the foods we eat have added sugars/carbs even if we don't know it (tomato sauces, etc). Compounding the problem is the fact that fruit has fiber in it which slows absorption and impact on blood sugar, and think about it, can you really sit and eat 10 oranges at one time? No, because you get full from the pulp. But it's very easy to gorge on orange juice, crackers, cake, etc. So what once was an evolutionary advantage, stocking up on food and carbs when it's there and storing fat easily in certain areas to increase later chances of survival during famine, is now a huge medical disadvantage. This isn't an excuse for obesity or anything, just something really interesting to think about and consider what we humans should really be eating. People have to exercise control today (pun intended), but it doesn't help that we've got the U.S. Food Pyramid advocating eating 12 servings of bread/grains a day when for the vast majoirty of our history, bread and grains didn't exist. Personally, I'm not a proponent of Atkins or anything, but we as a society eat way, way too many carbs. The conventional wisdom that 60-70% of our daily calories should come from carbs is just utter bullshit. Finally, mainstream science seems to be coming around to this. But it's just a good reminder for the fact that the foods we as a society eat today directly prime our evolutionary sensors to eat more, which may explain (but not excuse) why so many Americans are obese.

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    arant:
    I have the reverse argument

    Fat person => generally unattractive => no social life => greater time at work => definite hire unless its a client facing role

    I've also observed that the fat guys tend to get away with it being the "jolly good" fellow types but the chubby women are the worst hit imho

    That's because women have one objective in life, dont get fat. If they fail professionally they can just marry a rich guy. You cannot do that if youre a man. Women complain about their rights and shit but in reality they have it much easier because they can just marry a sugar daddy.

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    bulge_bracket:
    Neighbor:
    Genetics definitely do play a factor in metabolism. They also play a factor in your body type and shape (ectomorph vs mesomorph vs. endomorph) but genetics will never make you fat. It can make it easier for you to gain fat, but it is up to the person to realize this and adjust their lifestyle accordingly if they do not want To be fat. For example an endomorph will put on fat in more noticeable areas than an ectomorph or mesomorph, but the endomorph should realize this and hit the weight and cardio more often. That's just life. No one said it would be fair. Some people are born dumber and will have to work harder and study more often than somebody that has natural genius abilities. Same thing with your body weight and physical appearance. Don't whine about sugar addiction and put in some hard work. Eat healthy (and at a caloric deficit) and hit the weights/cardio. Not just so you can get an IB job, but so maybe you will get the chance to see your grand kids grow up. That is all.

    Agree. For whoever questioned metabolism differences, the answer is simply that one person who's 6'0" and weighs 150 pounds may burn 2000 calories a day naturally (as in their BMR, if they just sat in bed all day) whereas another person who's 6'0" and weighs 215 pounds may still only burn 2000 calories a day naturally. Whenever a person gains weight, it takes more calories to maintain the body, but unfortunately if the second person were 150 pounds, he'd be burning fewer calories than the first person, which will usually result in a higher "normal" weight unless the second person really works at it. This is by no means an excuse for obesity, just an explanation for why some people naturally are ripped whereas others, even if they spend tons of time in the gym and eat right, can't really seem to get that six pack.

    It's also ironic that those who are endomorphs today may have held a past evolutionary advantage. I'm an endomorph - I don't really have a "gut," the fat that I have is retained in my love handles and hips. It sucks because when I wear t-shirts they get a little bit wider toward my waist, and my arms and legs are literally so lean that when I walk my calf muscles jut out recognizably, but like I said, I've worked at it and am still working at it and am only about 5 pounds away from medically being classified as "normal weight." Regarding the whole sugar thing we're discussing, you have to realize that for the mast majority of human history, sugar was extremely rare. We ate vegetables, fruits, meat, and fish. No grains, no pasta, nothing like that. That's why whenever we found fruits, we ate as many as we could (hence the intense and natural predisposition to love sugar and sweet foods), and then when those plants were exhausted, we lived off of game (which is why when you cut carbs out of your diet, you go into a metabolic state kalled ketosis where you live off of your own fat and don't feel as hungry). So essentially, the people who held the best chance for survival gorged whenever they found sweet foods and then lived off of the fat from said foods whenever the foods weren't there. I think it's interesting because we are "programmed" to always try to cling to our fat for as long as possible and eat whatever carbs exist. The problem is that today, we have food everywhere. Not only that, but a lot of the foods we eat have added sugars/carbs even if we don't know it (tomato sauces, etc). Compounding the problem is the fact that fruit has fiber in it which slows absorption and impact on blood sugar, and think about it, can you really sit and eat 10 oranges at one time? No, because you get full from the pulp. But it's very easy to gorge on orange juice, crackers, cake, etc. So what once was an evolutionary advantage, stocking up on food and carbs when it's there and storing fat easily in certain areas to increase later chances of survival during famine, is now a huge medical disadvantage. This isn't an excuse for obesity or anything, just something really interesting to think about and consider what we humans should really be eating. People have to exercise control today (pun intended), but it doesn't help that we've got the U.S. Food Pyramid advocating eating 12 servings of bread/grains a day when for the vast majoirty of our history, bread and grains didn't exist. Personally, I'm not a proponent of Atkins or anything, but we as a society eat way, way too many carbs. The conventional wisdom that 60-70% of our daily calories should come from carbs is just utter bullshit. Finally, mainstream science seems to be coming around to this. But it's just a good reminder for the fact that the foods we as a society eat today directly prime our evolutionary sensors to eat more, which may explain (but not excuse) why so many Americans are obese.

    Agreed, nice post. I prefer to get my carbs from fruits and veggies rather than grains. A good metric for losing weight is keeping a 60/20/20 ratio of calories of protein/carbs/fats per day. Congrats on your body transformation by the way. Youve done what most people aren't disciplined enough to do.

    I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

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    BigBucks:
    Genetics definitely plays a role in obesity. My Dad is like 5'8, 145 pounds at the age of 52 and he eats whatever he wants (has not spent a day int he gym either). I have 2 little sisters and a little brother, we are probably all "underweight". No, our parents did not have us eating healthy, we've eaten pretty much whatever we want our whole lives. I am almost certain I can eat whatever I want for the rest of my life and it'll clog up my arteries with cholesterol and cause a heart attack before I even hit 185 pds (I am currently 5'11 fluctuating between 148-160 which is the heaviest I've ever been).

    p.s. this is not to say fatties get a free pass, even counting for HORRID genes there is no way 68% of the American population should be overweight.


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