Disappointed in new job
(So this role isn't actually in IB, but this is the most active topic and I wanted to get some advice.)
I'm a recent graduate and after a couple of months of applying for roles, I managed to get an offer from a mid-sized asset manager. The job description seemed interesting enough - a mixture of transition/trading, research, marketing etc. When I interviewed, it became clear that it would involve trading and research, which sounded good enough.
However, I've been here for a month now and it's very different to what I thought it would be like. Research/investment idea generation isn't really part of the role at all, it's just good to do in your own time if you want. It's all trading, but this just involves transition work. Meaning, a client pulls money in or out so we need to create spreadsheets of how to do this. It's all very procedural, whereas I thought it would be a lot creative in creating investment ideas.
I graduated from a target and my main ambitions were to get into trading (S&T). Had a lot of experience in trading but didn't manage to get in so I was also looking at AM/HF also. At this point - what do I do? I've only been here a month and it's my first full-time job but I don't see a future here at all.
Have people in your same role gone on to do interesting work?
Was your experience in trading more engaging?
You probably need to stick it out for awhile but it doesn't hurt to network and apply for other jobs. Best way to get a better job is always to perform well in your current role.
My manager and others aren't doing very interesting work - that's the issue. It's not that I'm new and so they've given me boring grunt work - that's just the work they all do. One or two in the team have done some interesting work in their free time on investment ideas but that's not the actual role.
I did find trading more interesting, but I just like markets and being involved in investment whether that's more long-term plays at an AM or sell-side trading.
Definitely stick it out for a while. Question though, you've been there a month. Do you really think the current responsibilities will be the same forever? Or is this part of your training? I would keep looking and try to find a better role, but it seems like either you got the wrong idea, or the firm just sold you whatever they needed to fill the role. Shows that asking the right questions is key. I've taken a job like that before where the actual role varied much from the advertised role. It ended up working out, but I was pissed, too.
As above, I do think the responsibilities and work will be the same because my manager is dealing with the exact same issues.
I think maybe a mixture of both. I was unemployed for a few months after graduating and I was delighted to get an offer after so many applications. The advertised role was very varied, but in the interviews they narrowed it down. However, it still seemed okay enough. Only now am I seeing that really all the research/investment idea generation side of things is just something you CAN do in your spare time. It's great if you did and it was a good idea, but that's not the day job essentially.
Definitely at partial fault but I do feel I was somewhat lied to also. I'm not sure if I should or can talk to my manager about this worry. Ultimately I do want to do well and switch but bad references aren't going to be a good thing. Or maybe it doesn't even matter if I explain my situation, I don't know.
On your resume and in future interviews they won't know what was the side project vs your main job. It sounds like you have the opportunity to build up a resume that features a few investment pitches, potentially that end up becoming live trades. Again, do well in your main work, but in the future you can, without lying, have a resume that reads a lot more like an equity research analyst.
Keep your chin up, it's better than being unemployed. Good luck.
You're probably right, but I just feel like I could be doing a lot more research work in my own time. It does provide an income, which is great, but the opportunities to do research are very limited. It has to be on my own time.
How long would you guys stick it out for before looking for work - or should I already be looking for something?
I waited for at least 3 months before even thinking about jumping ships.
I don't think sticking it out for longer than a few months is a good idea. You got sold a bill of goods and what you're actually doing isn't helping your career or providing you with good learning opportunities. Start looking for jobs.
Agree with the above. Don't quit cold turkey but I'd start looking immediately and I'd leave as soon as you've lined up something else. You're young, you're not expected to have the ability to intensively diligence roles at that age and employers will understand that. You don't owe your employer any minimum time if they truly did intentionally play up the job and mislead you into taking it. Good luck.
Started New Job. Hate It. When should I start recruiting again? (Originally Posted: 09/22/2014)
Hi everyone,
I recently began a job in corporate banking. I am not the biggest fan of what I am doing right now, and from my conversations with others, it doesn't seem like it will change much going forward. I know people say to stick around for a while to really see if you jive with the place, but I just can sense already this is not where I belong.
I started at my desk at the end of July. I realize I obviously have to stick around here for a few more months, but is there something I should begin doing to kick start my recruiting efforts again to position myself for a new role around the 6 month mark? Or is lateral recruiting primarily an on-demand type of situation that I can't really plan for? I've already come across some pretty nice job openings (those that I also believe I am qualified for, even with my current level of experience because they are entry level positions), but I am afraid to start applying to these because it's way too early in my current job.
When is lateral recruiting usually most common? I am also in NYC btw.
Thanks!!
I would stick it out for couple of years. Think about it this way, you'll be working for the next 40 years it's ok to hate your first job.
This is horrible thinking. Almost all of my friends left their first jobs within 6-18 months and all of them ended up at better places with a pay/title bump.
OP, if you really want to do right by your current team then stick it out for 6 months before you start looking. If it were me, I would start interviewing yesterday.
What is your reasoning for sticking it out a couple of years? Just curious.
If I am able to find other opportunities why should I stay in a place i dislike? Even a couple years seem valuable to me right now, especially because I think I may want to pursue my MBA at some point. I want to ensure I have enough strong experience for that process as well.
This is all -
Started new job a few weeks ago and...it's not a good fit. (Originally Posted: 05/09/2014)
I am kind of in a crappy situation right now. Left a BB to a smaller firm a month ago, and I am not very happy about the move. I was just looking to jump ships asap since I wanted to do different work and took one of the first offers, but now I am having some regrets about not taking more patiently.
I know that it might just be something I should get over and keep a positive attitude. But it's really not a good culture fit and generally not a great work environment (experiencing issues with management, etc).
How bad would it be to start looking again soon? Should I wait until next year?
Thx all.
What problems do you have with management? And are you associate or an analyst?
Stick it out for a year and start looking for exit.
Are problems resolve-able? If not, you've only been there a month - if you can find another position you'd prefer in the very near future, I'd probably just take the next job and leave this one off your resume.
Thanks guys for your responses. If I start applying out again, would it be bad to leave this one on my resume? I think I could explain the situation at interviews. Don't really want to have a gap by not having this one in. Thoughts? Thanks again
What's the problem, specifically?
IF you can present valid argument to explain this in an interview, then definitely start applying and leave now. Staying at place you hate can make your life miserable and can impact your long term career.
IF you can present valid argument to explain this in an interview, then definitely start applying and leave now. Staying at place you hate can make your life miserable and can impact your long term career.
Hi. I've been a lurker but decide to comment since I am in a similar situation, but with some months into my job. My direct manager has a horrible reputation within the company and is looped out of a lot of things from the team. I feel like I am getting the same treatment and I am so sick of it. Honestly, he may be good at his job, but the work environment really sucks. Is your situation similar? I am looking for some advice as well...
I think you guys need to be more specific as to what exactly are the issues you are experiencing? At least that way we can help you assess whether the reasons are valid or not.
Can't comment on the OP's situation, but I realized within a few weeks of starting my job that my direct manager has very unreasonable demands and doesn't work well with other internal teams. It's really frustrating since he assigns projects to me, some of which I see as unreasonable and often sadly a waste of time, and push back sometimes, but he doesn't get it. And since he doesn't have a great reputation within the company, it's hard for me to work with some other people, since they know that I work for him. It's really frustrating because I've never had issues like this with my past 2-3 managers. I don't know if this would be a valid argument to present in any job interview..
Generally I think it's just a very high risk move to say anything negative about your manager, no matter how justified it may seem.
Yep, agreed. Will have to leave it as "not a good fit" and looking for something better.
Started a new job, but want to keep looking (Originally Posted: 05/16/2011)
I just started a new job in a position that I'm really not thrilled with, I had to get out of where I was though. I really needed to move and had to accept whatever came in the door first. I have been here 2 months, and it really isn't what I want to do. Would it be unethical to continue looking for the job I really want and leave if I got a offer?
How would that be unethical?
Keep looking if you're unhappy
It would be unethical probably, but if you're not happy, I would continue looking.
Very ethical, in fact almost expected at some level unless you make a long term committment.
As for your employers: fuck them, there is no loyalty and they will replace you the second they choose to do so. The best thing you can do is ALWAYS have feelers out for another position. This industry is very unstable, and you're going to get ahead faster by jumping around anyway, you might as well start looking now.
One thing: be careful of conflicts with ER.
It's not unethical unless you've made a long-term commitment to the firm. That said, you have to do what is best for you - if you're unhappy, start looking elsewhere - just not at work, obviously.
The big key here will be in tactfully explaining why you want to make a move so quickly without badmouthing your current firm or the position and showing the new employer that you won't quickly jump ship again. Check this out for some strategies if you want more advice or PM me.
Would it be best to post my current position on my resume even though I have only been in it for 3 months?
Yes - otherwise it looks like you haven't done anything for 3 months. 3 months is enough time to know something isn't right, while gaining some experience at the same time. Sell the experience and your interest in moving to the new employer without negativity.
one month later, "i want a new job" (Originally Posted: 08/06/2007)
is it possible to find a new job after only a month in banking? are there boutiques that hire ppl in that position? what would be the procedure, headhunters?
please, any insight appreciated.
Honestly, you really need to dedicate an entire year to the job regardless of whether or not you absolutely hate it. You should at least give it 6 months to see if you really even hate the job. 1 month is not a sufficient amount of time to decide
uhh...what the hell? how do you even KNOW you hate the job if you've only been there a month? and how will a different firm be any better?
from his post it sounds like he doesn't like the firm --- not the job. or am I wrong?
riemann is correct. it is the firm, not the job itself - if those two are even possible to separate.
also, banking is not necessarily what i would call my life calling. so i would be open to opportunities in sales/trading. but preferably in banking/pe/hf. any insight?
http://www.ibankingoasis.com/node/8032
I'm in the same position, PM me if you want.
The firm fucked me over, I hate ECM. I can't wait to get out.
Am in the same boat as you. Hate the firm but like (or at least still believe that i like) the job.
I had been with my firm for 6 months. Still find it hard to come up with a convincing reason to explain to the interviewers why i want to leave.
You have only been with your firm for 1 month. To be fair, you should at least speak to your directors and MDs and wait out for 3 months or so before deciding again.
If the firm sucks, at least figure out why they suck as much as they do. That way you can tell prospective employers why you want a change - as well as convey that you are intelligent enough to recognize the type of corporate culture you would be most interested in participating in.
Besides: "Keep Your Friends Close and You Enemies Closer" - Learn All That You Can About How A Bad Shop Works!! and I guarantee you will benefit from the experience somewhere down the road.
It's going to suck, but you're actually in an opportune situation.
how do ppl like this even get in
Should I Quit After Only a Month? (Originally Posted: 10/06/2015)
So I ended up settling on a job when my first choice fell through. I've been at this startup for almost a month and while I love my boss, I'm incredibly bored with my work (I.e. I'm not stimulated intellectually or challenged). It doesn't seem like this will really change either. My first choice ended up contacting me about a possible job. I've already started exploring the option of jumping over, but I'm concerned that the grass might not be any greener and I run the risk of burning a lot of bridges. If I do decide to leave, is there any way to minimize the damage? Any additional advice would be greatly appreciated!
There is no way to minimize the collateral damage. Since its a startup and its your first choice who contacted you, the choice should be clear. Good luck.
If the startup was going under or you were about to get fired you wouldn't be getting any notice either. Barring more information, I think you know what needs to be done.
This. Loyalty only works when its a two-way street and more often than not with employers it simply isn't. Take care of yourself first.
What kind of 'love' do you have for your boss ?
Well, what I would advice you to do is to talk to your boss and explain your thoughts - you are not getting what you want, you're not really develping your skills and don't see any progress in the nearest future. Probably there is a way out and your boss will give you some other tasks to do or even move you to another position. Why not.
If really notm then it might be a good choice to find another better place.
This. Do your best not to burn any bridges by being transparent. Maybe your work will improve and it could end up being better than your first choice seemed to be. If things don't change you are already one foot out the door.
There is no way to get out of this without burning bridges, be polite and explain why you don't think you're a fit of course, but then hand in your 2-weeks notice. However, a little caveat, make sure the job on the other side is ACTUALLY what you want, and also that they are not going to fall through again....because the last thing you want is leaving this boat for another, and ending up in the salty sea. Good luck OP!
thestranger have you approached your boss about the lack of challenging work and the fact that you feel you're not being stimulated and engaged? This should be step one before you make any transitions and may result in a 360 in your work experiences (hopefully for the better).
If you do decide to quit try to do it with as little fanfare as possible and just be honest with your boss. Do this only if you have a firm offer on the table with little to no chance of having it rescinded.
I'm sure you know this but if you're not happy and you did all that you could its better to move now than to be miserable for the next year or so. However, again do so cautiously and only if you feel that you'll enjoy your new role.
Thinking of quitting a month into the job... (Originally Posted: 09/21/2014)
Long story short, I am a new lateral hire into public finance investment banking and was not aware of having to pass three Series exams within the first three months of the job, otherwise I'll get fired. I have no relevant experience in munis and limited knowledge of finance. It's only been a few weeks into the job, and I already have to work till around 11-midnight every night which leaves me to just the weekends to cram for these three Series exams. I really have no clue when I can fit in all the studying over the next few weekends and I'm horrible at self-studying (would much rather hire a tutor to teach me 8-10 hrs/ day but can't afford it). I know I sound like a quitter, but does it make the most sense to just cut my losses now? I'm getting really depressed and know that this isn't the right field for me.
No. Don't quit. The series 7 & 79 (and whatever the 6 is if that's what you need, I don't know about the muni license if you need that) aren't that tough. If you're smart enough to get an IB job you're smart enough to pass the exams.
I wouldn't change career paths yet. Give it a few more months, and then if you still hate it, then yeah I would quit. Banking is definitely a lifestyle change for most people from what I've heard. Do you like public finance so far, though? It's what I'm looking to do after graduation
if youre a lateral hire wouldn't you already have the certs?
Sorry I didn't see the part where you said the field's not for you. Is that because you fear the exams or because you truly don't like it? If it's the former, stick with it and I'd say what I previously wrote: the exams aren't that hard. If it's the latter, then I'd say stick with it for longer than a month, give it six months or a year and see if you still really don't like it. If you still don't like it then figure out what you want to do and explore different fields. I highly recommend against leaving any job until you have something else lined up unless you're a trust fund kid and can float yourself for an extended period of time or if the job is truly horrible and it's affecting your health. You never know how long it will take to get another job and life's much easier when you have current income.
"Quit often and quit early. Don't quit because it's hard, but quit because it sucks."
at OP, how did you get this job?...
Other than the 7, the tests are easy.
It's more expensive to fire you and hire a new banker than it is to give you a few hours off to study per week. See if they'll let you block off some study time until you've passed the tests.
I don't think this is a good idea. There is absolutely no way you're working 100% of the time that you're in the office. This is on you. You need to have the self-discipline to study during your down time while at work, on your own on weeknights, sacrifice your weekends for the next two or so months, and just grind through it. Nobody spends 8-10 hours a day for three months studying for the series exams. More like a week of cramming after six straight weeks of going out during training.
And I'm pretty sure if you fail, they give you another shot or two. There were several people that failed the exam at my bank when I was starting out, and they all had opportunities to restudy and retake.
Don't stress, it's not that bad. Like others said, it's really just the 79 that takes significant time to study for.
If you hate your job because you hate banking, just quit and start searching for a new job asap. There's no point in investing a lot of time and effort in something if you just really don't like. If you're just stressed out because of the exams, suck it up and show some discipline.
This is going to sound harsh, but I think you need some tough love. The exams are passable, your schedule is difficult but not impossible to study around, and if you're quitting a job to get around some exams (that you at least have a chance of passing), then I can't say I have too much sympathy there.
You're getting out at 11/Midnight. Suck it up and study for an hour or two each night. That should still leave you with ~6 hours of sleep a night.
The series exams are in large part memorization (rather than application of concepts - there's really not much thinking. Or at least not in the ones that I've taken). A tutor can't help you memorize things. That's on you. Skip the tutor, put your social life on pause for a few weeks, and study all day on the weekends.
Finally, as some guys have mentioned, this is assuming you like the job and are just trying to deal with the exams. If you really hate the job, then I guess this stuff isn't applicable.
@"mlxd08"
Optics are bad if you quit. You aren't actually working non-stop all of that time you are in the office so don't make it sound like you are and start taking the initiative. This sounds like you went from sleeping in until 10am everyday and having class a few days a week to an intense schedule and are miserable because of the change. Which is understandable, but you aren't in college anymore. You have a great opportunity so don't fuck it up.
The whole "just quit if you don't like it" or "There's no point in investing a lot of time and effort in something if you just really don't like." is bullshit. If you are really that miserable, consider your "suffering" an investment into your future and bust your ass for the next year or two and secure a much more agreeable finance gig. You'll have a much easier time landing a job with that on your resume and as @"Dingdong08" pointed out, you really don't want to leave a job until you've got another lined up.
Even after a year or two, once you land a new role somewhere else and are there for about 3 weeks all you will ever remember are a few of the times that it really blew and some of the camaraderie you had while under that kind of pressure.
I'll second this. Although I could never work those hours unless you put a gun to my head. To each his own. And I made my decision a long time ago. But once you are in, I'd suck it up.
OP have you ever regretted working really hard at something?
Dont quit over an exam or two. A buddy of mine used an online school and said 80% of the practice questions were on the actual exam. Find yourself a good prep program.
Work your ass off and just study. If you want something badly, just work for it.
You must have a super low intelligence level if you are fearing some 'Series' exams. Plenty of mouth-breathers breeze through those tests.
yeah seriously, how the fuck do you guys get perfect SATs, great grades at top schools and worry about the damn series 7? makes no sense.
I passed in in 2 weeks at almost 90% off of 20 total hours of studying, and I was only in the industry for 3 months total when I took it, it's easy. I went to public school, had a mediocre overall SAT, humanities major at a state school non target, and I passed it. you can do it.
Stick with it and try your best to pass the exam. If you fail and they fire you, then you can go and do whatever you want. If you pass and still hate the whole thing, then you can go and find something else but don't quit the job
I echo what everyone said. There's plenty of downtime at work to find 1-2h to study and another 1-2h after work.
OP what was your background prior to this, where did you lateral from?
I'm not familiar with public finance IBD but the hours seem pretty light compared to traditional groups, is this a function of OP being fresh or its a lower intensity group?
you can do that, giving up now is not an option.
You are a moron. Weekends should be plenty of time to get through your exams, especially given those things are an absolute joke. You have time to post on here but no time to study? Don't give me this sh.t - I had friends in the GS FIG group who would pass those exams while working. So your bs job that lets you finish as early as 11PM should be in no way getting in the way of your studying. But again, they were not complete losers and knew how to open a book.
I know people at my old PWM firm who are borderline retarded and passed the 7, 63, and 65. Man up.
Giving up would be a huge mistake. Try harder bro...
I took the Series 79 and 63 while working consistent 7 days per week, 80 to 100 hours. It was tough, but absolutely worthwhile. I can't believe you would quit a good job, because you think studying for a test will be hard. Think of this as an opportunity to prove what you're made of. You'll look back in the future and be happy you persevered.
Wanting to leave job after 1 Month - Unique Situation (Originally Posted: 07/25/2011)
I finally broke into an equity research position in May(after 2 yrs being in client service) and was pleased but now am really starting to hate the firm I'm at. (would like to be at a larger firm, director has borderline personality disorder- that's not a joke) Now that I know I can do the work and get the type of job i want, how can I list this on my resume and explain the situation to potential employers without looking like a complete flake?
Unfortunately I would say grin and bear it. Leaving after 1 month is flaky, try networking and as soon as next June rolls around have another offer in hand.
There is nothing unique about this situation. Please use the search function before you try to say your situation is unique..
HAY watch it.
You'll find a lot of bosses with personality disorders in this industry. As futurectdoc says, network and prepare - this is chess not checkers.
Seriously...learn how to actually do research before trying to jump ship. Get to know your clients, your sales guys, your teammates, and your coverage management. Use it as a learning experience for 1-2 years, even if your boss is horrible. You are an analyst, most of your work is done in solitary confinement anyway, right? It's not like an ops job where your evil boss is breathing down your neck constantly.
Need serious advice, thinking about quitting my MO/BO job after a month (Originally Posted: 01/19/2012)
So after spending two and a half yrs at a BB in a finance rotational program in Asia, I went to the UK to attend a top target for a MSc Finance, but due to family reasons, had to come back to my home country.
I started in a PC role at another BB (lower ranking), but definently do not want to be pigeon holed in this role. I have the option of deferring my studies by a yr, but will have a blank on my resume until then.
I was thinking about quitting the firm and doing an internship at a fund (non paid) where I get to work on deals but the problem is that I will have no income.
What do you guys suggest I do? Is there any way out of this? Please give me advice? Would it be stupid to quit this job in this market??
I did that. (Worked for free in something relevant, then got my MSF). I was able to overcome a 2.3cum GPA in college and get into banking using that method.
I'd do it again, and would recommend it to anyone.
bump...
PC = product control btw
What Business Unit are you working with? I would suggest trying to network within and showing the FO desk you support that you possess the ability to do what they do.
Quit After One Month (Originally Posted: 03/18/2013)
I just started at a MM bank (think BMO, Jefferies as a sales analyst a few weeks ago and recently received an offer from a mid-tier BB for their IBD analyst position. I have always wanted to pursue a career in IBD. Should I quit and move over to another firm? or Would it seriously impact my reputation on the street?
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