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hey guys, read this posting from this girl on Craigslist and one of the responses below....thought you would enjoy.

ORIGINAL INQUIRY

THIS APPEARED ON CRAIG'S LIST
What am I doing wrong?

Okay, I'm tired of beating around the bush. I'm a beautiful
(spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl. I'm articulate and classy.
I'm not from New York . I'm looking to get married to a guy who makes at
least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind
that a million a year is middle class in New York City , so I don't think
I'm overreaching at all.

Are there any guys who make 500K or more on this board? Any wives? Could
you send me some tips? I dated a business man who makes average around
200 - 250. But that's where I seem to hit a roadblock. 250,000 won't get
me to central park west. I know a woman in my yoga class who was married
to an investment banker and lives in Tribeca, and she's not as pretty as
I am, nor is she a great genius. So what is she doing right? How do I
get to her level?

Here are my questions specifically:

- Where do you single rich men hang out? Give me specifics- bars,
restaurants, gyms

-What are you looking for in a mate? Be honest guys, you won't hurt my
feelings

-Is there an age range I should be targeting (I'm 25)?

- Why are some of the women living lavish lifestyles on the upper east
side so plain? I've seen really 'plain jane' boring types who have
nothing to offer married to incredibly wealthy guys. I've seen drop dead
gorgeous girls in singles bars in the east village. What's the story
there?

- Jobs I should look out for? Everyone knows - lawyer, investment
banker, doctor. How much do those guys really make? And where do they
hang out? Where do the hedge fund guys hang out?

- How you decide marriage vs. just a girlfriend? I am looking for
MARRIAGE ONLY

Please hold your insults - I'm putting myself out there in an honest
way. Most beautiful women are superficial; at least I'm being up front
about it. I wouldn't be searching for these kind of guys if I wasn't
able to match them - in looks, culture, sophistication, and keeping a
nice home and hearth.

* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or
other commercial interests

PostingID: 432279810
THE ANSWER

She gets a response...

PostingID: 432279810
THE ANSWER
Dear Pers-431649184:
I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully
about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament.
Firstly, I'm not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your
bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here's how I
see it.

Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a
cr@ppy business deal. Here's why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you
suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring
my money. Fine, simple. But here's the rub, your looks will fade and my
money will likely continue into perpetuity...in fact, it is very likely
that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won't
be getting any more beautiful!

So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning
asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation
accelerates! Let me explain, you're 25 now and will likely stay pretty
hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in
earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you!

So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy
and hold...hence the rub...marriage. It doesn't make good business sense
to "buy you" (which is what you're asking) so I'd rather lease. In case
you think I'm being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were
to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It's
as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage.

Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So,
I wonder why a girl as "articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful"
as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to
believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K
hasn't found you, if not only for a tryout.

By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then
we wouldn't need to have this difficult conversation.

With all that said, I must say you're going about it the right way.
Classic "pump and dump."
I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of
lease, let me know.

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Comments (95)

  • 1Eric1's picture

    My buddy sent that posting to me (and 10 other friends) through e-mail... So true and so amazing.

    Way to go

  • net worth or nothing's picture

    if this girl actually has any form of career?

    she is so naive to think that spectacular looks are enough... to an extent, having gone through the same process (ivy league, law school, mba, etc.) is an important ingredient to finding a rich ass dude, at least as important as looks. Often times, you can find both... beauty & brilliance. (At least on the female side).

    i want a girl who can relate to my brilliance. who wouldn't.

    -net worth or nothing

  • smuguy97's picture

    Why is she so focused on the P&L and not the balance sheet? Seems like a rich guy making $50K per year could have the same EV...

  • aadpepsi's picture

    Yes, a bit funny...

    Listen, I would advise this girl to seek out a career as a grade school teacher, nurse, flight attendant or yoga instructor. These are the type of women bankers marry. They may want to date models, but they'll eventually marry the teacher/nurse/flight attendant/yoga instructor. I would also advise her to purposely dress down, wear less makeup, look dowdy and become a "granola". A granola is less intimidating and perceived to be less than a financial risk to bankers and we all KNOW how much bankers love their money.

  • In reply to aadpepsi
    tropos's picture

    aadpepsi:
    Yes, a bit funny...

    Listen, I would advise this girl to seek out a career as a grade school teacher, nurse, flight attendant or yoga instructor. These are the type of women bankers marry. They may want to date models, but they'll eventually marry the teacher/nurse/flight attendant/yoga instructor. I would also advise her to purposely dress down, wear less makeup, look dowdy and become a "granola". A granola is less intimidating and perceived to be less than a financial risk to bankers and we all KNOW how much bankers love their money.

    Ah yes, those "granola girls". LOL! I can't stand them.

    ********"Babies don't cost money, they MAKE money." - Jerri Blank********

    ********"Babies don't cost money, they MAKE money." - Jerri Blank********

  • riderRM03's picture

    granola...hahahha, that's a new one... great post

  • xoxototalprestige's picture

    good to know of xoxo people on IBO - how many xoxohthers are there here?

  • Banking on Investments's picture

    This was GOLD. I was definitely smiling all the way through the response and his similes were BRILLIANT!

    I may need to use the term depreciate and women in one sentence one day...

  • ccra's picture

    great response

  • Warhawk_1's picture

    It's spreading around the internet now. I just got it in my inbox from a friend in a sorority. The guy who sent the reply was a consultant at Bain.

  • smuguy97's picture

    I don't think it was a Bain consultant - I received three separate emails of this today just from Bain consultants but each of the heavily populated threads had originated from various BB email addresses...

  • Godfather's picture

    Wow. The response to the posting was near perfect! He hit the nail on the head and still showed interested for the more profitable deal [Dating]... lol... I know what's on his mind... PUMP and DUMP!

  • FiveYears's picture

    Tom Leykis had a great show on this.

  • MarginCalling's picture

    but as jay z said

    "gold diggers with your eyes on my riches,
    can't knock your hustle for real!"

    this girl clearly has a failed methodology though. i mean, why the hell would doctors be on the list! haha. and most lawyers and bankers are quite modest fiscally. guys who make 500k are a dime a dozen in NYC

  • BespokeAnalyst2010's picture

    classic

    --------------------------------------------------
    "Whenever I'm about to do something, I think, 'Would an idiot do that?' And if they would, I do NOT do that thing."
    -Dwight Schrute, "The Office"-

  • LookingForHelp's picture

    Thanks for reviving this post- had no idea something as great as this hasn't surfaced till now

  • amande96's picture
  • zer0zero's picture

    The girl wrote a response to this too. Lemme see if I can dig it up

    To the gentleman who called me a depreciating asset
    Date: 2007-10-11, 8:23AM EDT

    Dear Sir,

    I must confess that I was somewhat taken aback upon reading your email. Indeed, it has taken some time for me to sufficiently recuperate from my surprise. Lest your confidence quickly inflate for little reason (as we know is the predisposition for Wall St. types), allow me to hasten to reassure you that the source of my surprise was neither your candor nor the accuracy of your perception. Indeed, it is your "claimed" success in light of your poor grasp of economics which has me baffled. If the standards required to meet with financial success on Wall St. have sunk so low, perhaps I should indeed "make my own money", except for the fact that the effort/reward ratio is far too high for my liking - especially when so many of your ilk have displayed a far more cogent grasp of market realities than you have.

    By now you are likely scratching your ever-vanishing hairline in confusion, so allow me to elaborate, dear man. To build some credibility I will tell you a bit more about yourself. Though you did not mention the details of your occupation, it is clear that you are an investment banker and not a trader, as any good trader would understand that human courtships are based upon a semi-efficient open market, and not an investment banking cartel. However, your inability to grasp the realities of the dating market is not surprising, given that you have successfully employed the tools of collusion and market manipulation rather that true acumen in your supposed wealth generation.

    If your grasp of finance were not a minority partner with your ego, you would realize that the "outflows" associated with my depreciating "assets" are quite certain, and therefore subject to a low discount rate when determining their present value. In addition, though your concept of economics evidentially failed to move past the 1950s, advancement in plastic surgery is not subject to the same limitation. Thus, with some additional capital expenditure, the overall lifetime of "outflows" generated by these assets is greatly increased. Sad that Ashton Kutcher has demonstrated understanding of the female asset class which you, in all of your financial "wisdom", have not.

    You, on the other hand, are, given the uncertainty of the Wall St. job market, more of an inflation-indexed junk bond with an underwater nested call option. Though you may argue that you are more of an equity investment, my monetary minimums required from you do not change, and if you are unable to pay them, I will liquidate you without the benefit of a chapter 11, just as you would me.

    Because your outflows are so much more uncertain with respect to mine, I require additional compensation in the form of a underwater nested call option on your future assets. I say underwater because, even taking into account the value of your junk bond coupon payment to me, the value of my "outflow" is in excess of the market price of your equity (which is quite low due to its riskiness associated with your poor grasp of finance and my existing claim upon your junk bond coupon).

    I must thank you though for raising the question, despite the reputation cost of subjecting your weak logic to such widespread scrutiny. This took either considerable courage or ignorance on your part- and we'll give you the benefit of doubt, just this once. My current boyfriend (a trader who lives in Central Park West, of course) and I thoroughly enjoyed discussing your response and we wish you the best of luck in your unhappy pursuit of that elusive market inefficiency.

  • hundge at top rate's picture

    haha. I was thinking she must have called a friend to write this. Then she confirms at the end by mentioning her boyfriend. Both pieces have added some enjoyment to an otherwise mundane night. Solid find.

  • FIASCO's picture

    Indeed, I hope her trader boyfriend had enough sense to pump and dump hahaha

  • scotchontherocks's picture

    WallStreetOasis.com:
    hey guys, read this posting from this girl on Craigslist and one of the responses below....thought you would enjoy.

    PostingID: 432279810
    THE ANSWER

    She gets a response...

    PostingID: 432279810
    THE ANSWER
    Dear Pers-431649184:
    I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully
    about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament.
    Firstly, I'm not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your
    bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here's how I
    see it.

    Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a
    cr@ppy business deal. Here's why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you
    suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring
    my money. Fine, simple. But here's the rub, your looks will fade and my
    money will likely continue into perpetuity...in fact, it is very likely
    that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won't
    be getting any more beautiful!

    So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning
    asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation
    accelerates! Let me explain, you're 25 now and will likely stay pretty
    hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in
    earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you!

    So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy
    and hold...hence the rub...marriage. It doesn't make good business sense
    to "buy you" (which is what you're asking) so I'd rather lease. In case
    you think I'm being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were
    to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It's
    as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage.

    Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So,
    I wonder why a girl as "articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful"
    as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to
    believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K
    hasn't found you, if not only for a tryout.

    By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then
    we wouldn't need to have this difficult conversation.

    With all that said, I must say you're going about it the right way.
    Classic "pump and dump."
    I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of
    lease, let me know.

    The "you bring looks, I bring money" equation is highly oversimplified and myopic. It's not a simple trade. Women bring looks, yes, but what the beautiful trophy wives really bring is good genes + (cha-ching!!) breeding ability-- the key to perpetuating your lineage, your alpha male high-earner genes and your family legacy at Exeter/Harvard.

    Yes, women age, so we might be considered depreciating assets in the looks category (though breakthroughs in plastic surgery can offset the depreciation). But even so, the finance guys this guy claims to represent aren't just going to keep trading in their "leases" for a new 21 year old bimbo every year until they die. At some point, they're gonna have to buy, even if they buy only briefly and then liquidate (divorce!!). Even Hugh Hefner, who built a profitable empire based on leasing the latest hotties and then trading them in, chose to buy at some point: he got married twice, had 4 kids, and was married for a total of 20 years (if you count the 10 years of legal separation pre-divorce, it's 30 years total).

    I'd say at least 95% of men want children, namely, a biological son that you can teach to play baseball/football, and pass on your investing knowledge and your taste for fine scotch and cigars. And here's where we, as women, have a MAJOR bargaining chip. You ABSOLUTELY need us to birth that heir for you! Sure, men could opt to have a child with someone without being married, but you'll still have to pay alimony to the baby mama, which is a pretty big financial commitment, plus you'd have to work out custody and the baby mama would be a part of your life, like it or not. The barrier to entry is far lower for women who want to have a child on their own without being married or in a committed relationship: we have the eggs and the womb, all we need to do is visit a sperm bank. For a man to have a child on his own without getting married or paying alimony to either his ex-wife or baby mama, the barrier to entry is super high. He needs to find not only viable eggs (not cheap), but also a woman who is willing to gestate and birth the child for him (also not cheap, and good luck find a good samaritan who'll carry your kid around for 9 months and push it out gratis). Whereas a sperm donor can be totally anonymous, and it can seem almost like immaculate conception w/ a turkey baster, a surrogate is never going to be anonymous. And do you really want your precious heir (who's going to inherit your millions) to be illegitimate? Plus, who's going to take care of the kid you had "on your own"? You're gonna have to higher a nanny with no biological investment in your heir to raise the kid you paid to have. Sounds like a lot of work and your precious heir might be getting a bum deal.

    So, despite all your talk about trading us in for the latest model, it's an almost universal truth that at some point the vast majority of you finance types (yes, YOU!) are going to marry a woman so she can have your kids and nurture them!!

    The original craigslist poster's premise was that these guys ARE marrying, not "is marriage a good business deal?". This type of guy is clearly marrying someone, and all she really wanted to know was what does it take to be the girl these guys will marry? It's still an excellent question-- one that the responder didn't answer at all.

  • In reply to scotchontherocks
    Affirmative_Action_Walrus's picture

    scotchontherocks:
    WallStreetOasis.com:
    hey guys, read this posting from this girl on Craigslist and one of the responses below....thought you would enjoy.

    PostingID: 432279810
    THE ANSWER

    She gets a response...

    PostingID: 432279810
    THE ANSWER
    Dear Pers-431649184:
    I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully
    about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament.
    Firstly, I'm not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your
    bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here's how I
    see it.

    Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a
    cr@ppy business deal. Here's why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you
    suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring
    my money. Fine, simple. But here's the rub, your looks will fade and my
    money will likely continue into perpetuity...in fact, it is very likely
    that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won't
    be getting any more beautiful!

    So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning
    asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation
    accelerates! Let me explain, you're 25 now and will likely stay pretty
    hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in
    earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you!

    So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy
    and hold...hence the rub...marriage. It doesn't make good business sense
    to "buy you" (which is what you're asking) so I'd rather lease. In case
    you think I'm being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were
    to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It's
    as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage.

    Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So,
    I wonder why a girl as "articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful"
    as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to
    believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K
    hasn't found you, if not only for a tryout.

    By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then
    we wouldn't need to have this difficult conversation.

    With all that said, I must say you're going about it the right way.
    Classic "pump and dump."
    I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of
    lease, let me know.

    The "you bring looks, I bring money" equation is highly oversimplified and myopic. It's not a simple trade. Women bring looks, yes, but what the beautiful trophy wives really bring is good genes + (cha-ching!!) breeding ability-- the key to perpetuating your lineage, your alpha male high-earner genes and your family legacy at Exeter/Harvard.

    Yes, women age, so we might be considered depreciating assets in the looks category (though breakthroughs in plastic surgery can offset the depreciation). But even so, the finance guys this guy claims to represent aren't just going to keep trading in their "leases" for a new 21 year old bimbo every year until they die. At some point, they're gonna have to buy, even if they buy only briefly and then liquidate (divorce!!). Even Hugh Hefner, who built a profitable empire based on leasing the latest hotties and then trading them in, chose to buy at some point: he got married twice, had 4 kids, and was married for a total of 20 years (if you count the 10 years of legal separation pre-divorce, it's 30 years total).

    I'd say at least 95% of men want children, namely, a biological son that you can teach to play baseball/football, and pass on your investing knowledge and your taste for fine scotch and cigars. And here's where we, as women, have a MAJOR bargaining chip. You ABSOLUTELY need us to birth that heir for you! Sure, men could opt to have a child with someone without being married, but you'll still have to pay alimony to the baby mama, which is a pretty big financial commitment, plus you'd have to work out custody and the baby mama would be a part of your life, like it or not. The barrier to entry is far lower for women who want to have a child on their own without being married or in a committed relationship: we have the eggs and the womb, all we need to do is visit a sperm bank. For a man to have a child on his own without getting married or paying alimony to either his ex-wife or baby mama, the barrier to entry is super high. He needs to find not only viable eggs (not cheap), but also a woman who is willing to gestate and birth the child for him (also not cheap, and good luck find a good samaritan who'll carry your kid around for 9 months and push it out gratis). Whereas a sperm donor can be totally anonymous, and it can seem almost like immaculate conception w/ a turkey baster, a surrogate is never going to be anonymous. And do you really want your precious heir (who's going to inherit your millions) to be illegitimate? Plus, who's going to take care of the kid you had "on your own"? You're gonna have to higher a nanny with no biological investment in your heir to raise the kid you paid to have. Sounds like a lot of work and your precious heir might be getting a bum deal.

    So, despite all your talk about trading us in for the latest model, it's an almost universal truth that at some point the vast majority of you finance types (yes, YOU!) are going to marry a woman so she can have your kids and nurture them!!

    The original craigslist poster's premise was that these guys ARE marrying, not "is marriage a good business deal?". This type of guy is clearly marrying someone, and all she really wanted to know was what does it take to be the girl these guys will marry? It's still an excellent question-- one that the responder didn't answer at all.

    blah blah blah blah blah

    is there anything more annoying than some dumb bitch who tries to express some inane opinion?

    also, i'd like to apologize in advance for any rudeness perceived in the above statement.

    also, if the above turned you on, shoot me a pm

  • Charlie Sheen's picture

    Funny that scotchontherocks bumped this thread. When I saw her (now deleted) thread on how to get a banker to commit to a relationship, this Craigslist post was the first thing that popped in my head.

  • In reply to Charlie Sheen
    San Franciscan's picture

    JackBauer:
    Funny that scotchontherocks bumped this thread. When I saw her (now deleted) thread on how to get a banker to commit to a relationship, this Craigslist post was the first thing that popped in my head.

    Anyone know why that thread go deleted?

    "If you can count your money, you don't have a billion dollars." - J. Paul Getty

  • In reply to zer0zero
    San Franciscan's picture

    zer0zero:
    The girl wrote a response to this too. Lemme see if I can dig it up

    To the gentleman who called me a depreciating asset
    Date: 2007-10-11, 8:23AM EDT

    Dear Sir,

    I must confess that I was somewhat taken aback upon reading your email. Indeed, it has taken some time for me to sufficiently recuperate from my surprise. Lest your confidence quickly inflate for little reason (as we know is the predisposition for Wall St. types), allow me to hasten to reassure you that the source of my surprise was neither your candor nor the accuracy of your perception. Indeed, it is your "claimed" success in light of your poor grasp of economics which has me baffled. If the standards required to meet with financial success on Wall St. have sunk so low, perhaps I should indeed "make my own money", except for the fact that the effort/reward ratio is far too high for my liking - especially when so many of your ilk have displayed a far more cogent grasp of market realities than you have.

    By now you are likely scratching your ever-vanishing hairline in confusion, so allow me to elaborate, dear man. To build some credibility I will tell you a bit more about yourself. Though you did not mention the details of your occupation, it is clear that you are an investment banker and not a trader, as any good trader would understand that human courtships are based upon a semi-efficient open market, and not an investment banking cartel. However, your inability to grasp the realities of the dating market is not surprising, given that you have successfully employed the tools of collusion and market manipulation rather that true acumen in your supposed wealth generation.

    If your grasp of finance were not a minority partner with your ego, you would realize that the "outflows" associated with my depreciating "assets" are quite certain, and therefore subject to a low discount rate when determining their present value. In addition, though your concept of economics evidentially failed to move past the 1950s, advancement in plastic surgery is not subject to the same limitation. Thus, with some additional capital expenditure, the overall lifetime of "outflows" generated by these assets is greatly increased. Sad that Ashton Kutcher has demonstrated understanding of the female asset class which you, in all of your financial "wisdom", have not.

    You, on the other hand, are, given the uncertainty of the Wall St. job market, more of an inflation-indexed junk bond with an underwater nested call option. Though you may argue that you are more of an equity investment, my monetary minimums required from you do not change, and if you are unable to pay them, I will liquidate you without the benefit of a chapter 11, just as you would me.

    Because your outflows are so much more uncertain with respect to mine, I require additional compensation in the form of a underwater nested call option on your future assets. I say underwater because, even taking into account the value of your junk bond coupon payment to me, the value of my "outflow" is in excess of the market price of your equity (which is quite low due to its riskiness associated with your poor grasp of finance and my existing claim upon your junk bond coupon).

    I must thank you though for raising the question, despite the reputation cost of subjecting your weak logic to such widespread scrutiny. This took either considerable courage or ignorance on your part- and we'll give you the benefit of doubt, just this once. My current boyfriend (a trader who lives in Central Park West, of course) and I thoroughly enjoyed discussing your response and we wish you the best of luck in your unhappy pursuit of that elusive market inefficiency.

    Her first paragraph makes me want to go back in time and put a bullet in between Jane Austen's eyes.

    Also, it's a bit of a bold claim she's making by bringing up Ashton Kutcher; I'm 99% certain she's no 25 year old Demi Moore.

    Finally, the trader boyfriend reference is clearly a fabrication intended to vindicate her initial post and take away from the response argument.

    FAIL.

    "If you can count your money, you don't have a billion dollars." - J. Paul Getty

  • In reply to scotchontherocks
    San Franciscan's picture

    scotchontherocks:

    The "you bring looks, I bring money" equation is highly oversimplified and myopic. It's not a simple trade. Women bring looks, yes, but what the beautiful trophy wives really bring is good genes + (cha-ching!!) breeding ability-- the key to perpetuating your lineage, your alpha male high-earner genes and your family legacy at Exeter/Harvard.

    Yes, women age, so we might be considered depreciating assets in the looks category (though breakthroughs in plastic surgery can offset the depreciation). But even so, the finance guys this guy claims to represent aren't just going to keep trading in their "leases" for a new 21 year old bimbo every year until they die. At some point, they're gonna have to buy, even if they buy only briefly and then liquidate (divorce!!). Even Hugh Hefner, who built a profitable empire based on leasing the latest hotties and then trading them in, chose to buy at some point: he got married twice, had 4 kids, and was married for a total of 20 years (if you count the 10 years of legal separation pre-divorce, it's 30 years total).

    I'd say at least 95% of men want children, namely, a biological son that you can teach to play baseball/football, and pass on your investing knowledge and your taste for fine scotch and cigars. And here's where we, as women, have a MAJOR bargaining chip. You ABSOLUTELY need us to birth that heir for you! Sure, men could opt to have a child with someone without being married, but you'll still have to pay alimony to the baby mama, which is a pretty big financial commitment, plus you'd have to work out custody and the baby mama would be a part of your life, like it or not. The barrier to entry is far lower for women who want to have a child on their own without being married or in a committed relationship: we have the eggs and the womb, all we need to do is visit a sperm bank. For a man to have a child on his own without getting married or paying alimony to either his ex-wife or baby mama, the barrier to entry is super high. He needs to find not only viable eggs (not cheap), but also a woman who is willing to gestate and birth the child for him (also not cheap, and good luck find a good samaritan who'll carry your kid around for 9 months and push it out gratis). Whereas a sperm donor can be totally anonymous, and it can seem almost like immaculate conception w/ a turkey baster, a surrogate is never going to be anonymous. And do you really want your precious heir (who's going to inherit your millions) to be illegitimate? Plus, who's going to take care of the kid you had "on your own"? You're gonna have to higher a nanny with no biological investment in your heir to raise the kid you paid to have. Sounds like a lot of work and your precious heir might be getting a bum deal.

    So, despite all your talk about trading us in for the latest model, it's an almost universal truth that at some point the vast majority of you finance types (yes, YOU!) are going to marry a woman so she can have your kids and nurture them!!

    The original craigslist poster's premise was that these guys ARE marrying, not "is marriage a good business deal?". This type of guy is clearly marrying someone, and all she really wanted to know was what does it take to be the girl these guys will marry? It's still an excellent question-- one that the responder didn't answer at all.

    scotch,

    I agree with your logic but must assert that it's built on flawed understanding. For starters, the responder to the post does not claim that ALL women are trade positions, but rather THIS woman is a trade position. Indeed, the man acknowledges the possibility of a hold position. The "you bring looks, I bring money" equation still suffices in this case because the woman posting doesn't claim any other assets on her balance sheet as the unbacked assertions of being "classy and articulate" are stated without hard reference to her level of education, her upbringing, or any other indicators to separate her from all the other gorgeous 25 year olds in NYC. Thus, the woman who posted is not necessarily the woman you describe in your example (a woman worthy of delivering my offspring). Rather, the responder acknowledges that because others have not invested in her, she is most likely NOT the type of woman you described.

    I feel there are very few men of high-standing that HAVEN'T had the "heir to the throne" fantasy, and can thus assure you that most men will reserve the right to go long on a woman (innuendo intended).

    You're comparing apples to objectively better apples.

    "If you can count your money, you don't have a billion dollars." - J. Paul Getty

  • pistacie's picture

    That response was absolutely perfect!

  • In reply to San Franciscan
    Charlie Sheen's picture

    San Franciscan:
    JackBauer:
    Funny that scotchontherocks bumped this thread. When I saw her (now deleted) thread on how to get a banker to commit to a relationship, this Craigslist post was the first thing that popped in my head.

    Anyone know why that thread go deleted?

    Given the abundance of crap Patrick and Co. allow to stay on this board, I'm assuming scotchontherocks requested that the thread be deleted.

    There was a lot of thread crapping, but I highly doubt Patrick would delete a thread just because the posts might hurt someone's feelings.

  • BelleCharles's picture

    This is great. I'm sure this is not true for all men. This is why the millionaire matchmaker with Patty is doing so well. Their are many wemon that have their heart set on being a trophy wife. Their are men that dont see this the same way that you do. They look for younger beautiful wemon. Some beautiful wemon do get more beautiful with age. Men also do bald & wrinkle. So, this being said how should a women view a man because your looks will fade as well. So, what I would like to know is are you going to keep trading your woman in until your 80. I think every woman should make thier own money and never depend on a man for anything. Thats the plan because of men like you who pump & dump.

  • rebelcross's picture

    ^^^High school student? Retard?

  • D M's picture

    lmao, "wemon"

    "You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." -IlliniProgrammer
    "Your grammar made me wish I'd been aborted." -happypantsmcgee

  • BelleCharles's picture

    nice Retard? Are you my english teacher,, LMAO, Nothing better to do but to look for error? Life must be good, maybe you should try the gym? or doing somthing creative. Silly me I should have double checked before posting, just didnt have the time for it. Well enjoy your day laughing your A-- off about spelling errors... Its just very sad the way you use the word retard so in light. RETART.....

  • BelleCharles's picture

    can anyone tell me how I can look this up.. I've tryed I cant seem to get it..

  • danjay72's picture

    absolutely amazing

  • D M's picture

    Very solid and logical points Belle. I defer to your obviously superior intellect.

    "You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." -IlliniProgrammer
    "Your grammar made me wish I'd been aborted." -happypantsmcgee

  • pruf's picture

    this thread became awesome in 2 posts ahaha

  • rebelcross's picture

    You know, I was going to say something funny, I was going to apologize and proposition her for sex. It was really good I had it all planned out, silver banana worthy stuff. Then, I read her posts over a few times and I decided I had better just drop it. I kind of feel bad.

    It's like shooting fish in a barrel. It's not even fair. The poor girl is trying.

    Belle, I apologize if I offended you, and you're right, I shouldn't use the word "retard" so lightly. It's a terrible affliction.

    People will be shocked to see these words coming from rebelcross. But Belle, I must say, truthfully, your posts have changed my perspective on many things in this world...many things...I am a changed person now.

  • In reply to BelleCharles
    Affirmative_Action_Walrus's picture

    BelleCharles:
    nice Retard? Are you my english teacher,, LMAO, Nothing better to do but to look for error? Life must be good, maybe you should try the gym? or doing somthing creative. Silly me I should have double checked before posting, just didnt have the time for it. Well enjoy your day laughing your A-- off about spelling errors... Its just very sad the way you use the word retard so in light. RETART.....

    I'm only going to talk to you if you do ass to mouth

  • BelleCharles's picture

    I am excepting your apolitical reply. I heartly believe it was ment with all due honesty! I am not here to teach the pig to sing!!! This story has taken my attention threw accident google from my buyer. I am very hysterical at your entertainment ... The story on the other hand is pretty funny !!! I have nothing to come back to this board for unless someone else post something worthy of my intrest.., cheers!! Enjoy this beautiful day ! ;)

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