Best entry level jobs out of 4 years college
I'm in the middle of my job search for next summer once I graduate college. I'm at at a non-target with a high GPA studying Finance. Have two internships, my most recent one being an investment banking summer analyst. I'm wondering what the best entry level jobs are for someone in my situation in terms of keeping doors open into PE/IB down the road. Obviously an Investment banking analyst is my main target, but those are tough to land (won't give up though). In terms of other entry level jobs, how would you compare Financial Analyst, Investment Analyst, Commercial Credit Analyst, Corporate Finance Analyst, etc. What should I be targeting? Already got a Commercial Credit Analyst position but heard that doesn't lead to much.
Could you network with alumni from your school that are currently working in IB? I am not working in the industry but based off of other threads, it seems networking with alumni(or in general) is your best option. If PE is your goal you can try to get an analyst position at a BB or MM bank and then get into PE after a couple of years.
I don't know much about the other entry level jobs but in general I have read that it is advantageous to get your IB analyst position early if you do want to end up in PE. Just my 2 cents, hopefully it helped a bit!
You just said you had a SA IB position, did you not recieve a FT offer???
No, they were not looking to hire. Very small bank. 9 total people in the firm, including two full time analysts already.
Corporate Finance at a Fortune 500, Commercial Credit Analyst, IB Credit Risk roles funnel into IB analyst roles regularly.
If you're interested in S&T, Market Risk is a good one.
Don't want to hijack JFinanceQs' thread but I have a question about this route.
If one starts in Corporate Finance, Credit Analyst, or Credit Risk roles and then funnels into an IB analyst position is it still "possible" or reasonable to do 2 years as an IB analyst and then transfer into PE? Or would PE firms view the previous roles before IB as a handicap? I know that the usual PE route is 2 years in IB out of undergrad and then straight into PE, but I do not know much about changing roles multiple times.
It's all about timing IMO after you get a solid year in either of those roles you have all the experience you need to lateral into IB Analyst 1 and depending on your groups placement in IB determines your chances at said PE firm
A few things that are off-beaten tracks that deserve a look: - family office (either investment or portfolio operation - i.e. Sun Hung Kai & Co.) - business development role at company that you like (i.e. tech, real estate - uber/CreitEase) - fundraising function at asset management firms (i.e. blackrock) - tech startup/ tech incubator (i.e. pitching, fundraising, planning at omidyar network) - ibd/pe lobbying groups; understanding govt policies (i.e. american investment council)
There's also Transaction Advisory Services at the big 4 accountancies
Considering you want IB down the road, I'd consider anything involving credit analysis (commercial or corporate banking). This was my route, which ultimately led to IB.
Anything involving credit analysis is highly transferable to IB as you become fluent with basic financial/economic trends. Then primary difference will be modeling requirements in IB, which you can learn a lot of on your own time.
What about an Investment Analyst?
Yes, as investment analyst is similar in mindset.
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Seeking Entry Level Investment Banking Job (Originally Posted: 02/02/2017)
Hello,
I'm currently on the search for an entry level investment banking job in the SF Bay Area and wanted to gather advice on what my next steps should be in regards to (1) best strategies for networking, (2) tips on my resume, and (3) overall advice for getting the interview and nailing it. I've already purchased the Technical/Behavioral Interview guides, as well as the networking guide, but I would like to hear advice outside of these guides.
Just some background on myself: I work at a large tech company down in Silicon Valley where I'm a part of the Corporate FP&A team. This is my first job out of college and have been here for a year and half, and decided that corporate finance is really not my cup of tea. I realize it will be difficult transitioning into investment banking from corporate finance, but I'm pursuing a job in a field I'm extremely passionate about. I did not want to wait too long to the point where I would lose this type of opportunity so I'm completely going for it.
Lars
you should remove any identifying info from your resume & repost.
Thank you, just made the changes
Agree, remove your personal info from your resume before posting.
Furthermore, I am curious how your are passionate about Investment Banking, but state that corporate finance is not your cup of tea. What kind of IB role do you pursue?
I should have rephrased my statement of "corporate finance not being my cup of tea". What I meant was the current role I have in Corporate FP&A is good field, but I would like to get more involved on the M&A side of the business, however, to do this at my company (and almost every company, I'm assuming) is to have an IB background. I believe that once I make it into an IB firm, I will get a better sense of the role I will want to do. As of now, I want to be involved with M&A, and eventually VC.
you'll really have to start targeting the lower-MM boutiques - FP&A is a decent start, but the overlap between your current job and tech M&A is quite low. The biggest hurdle will be answering 2 questions: variants of (1) why didn't you go into IB straight out of college (2) why hire you instead of someone with prior IB experience. I've seen the transition from F50 corp fin roles to lower-end IB, but you'll have to start aggressively networking.
I totally understand the hurdles with moving between Corp finance to IB, and I know that it will take a ton of networking for me to get where I want to.
What do you mean by the lower MM boutiques and how should I be able to network with them exactly?
To answer the two questions: (1) I didn't go straight into IB because I didn't have the best GPA so I was not able to get interviews for the IB firms I applied to for internships and full-time positions, (2) I can prove myself to be better and drive more value to a firm versus a person with prior IB experience - I know this with confidence because of the willpower and dedication I apply to things I'm passionate about, especially when it comes to my career ambitions. My question would be why wouldn't they give me the chance when I have a degree in Economics/Finance and am taking the Level 1 CFA?
Certainly worth it to network and attempt to make the switch now. However, it'll be an upward battle and tons of people with a background like yours and 3-4 years experience end up in top business schools and make the switch that way. So something to consider.
Was going to post something similar to All Day. Yes you could make it into lower MM IB but why not begin studying for the GMAT and go to a top business school (would focus on West Coast if you want to work SF). It's too late to apply for the class that starts in Fall 2017 (you don't want to rush a round 3 application) but you have plenty of time to apply to round 1 for the class of 2020. ' If you go this route, you have a very good chance of starting as an associate at a BB or EB. A good B-school will also wipe out a poor undergrad GPA. Just note that you'll have to do relatively a bit better on your other parts of your essay--GMAT, recs, essays given your GPA.
It's a pretty easy story for an MBA to say you liked certain aspects of your corporate finance role, wanted to get involved in the M&A side, and went to B-school to make the swtich. People understand MBAs are career switchers---it's a lot harder as an analyst--and you end up in a pretty similar spot afterward
Entry-level Job (Originally Posted: 04/24/2017)
I am currently graduating from a mid-teir University with a business degree. I happen to be graduating from their Japanese campus and have never been to their campus in the US. I am looking for a job in business consulting (preferably a big four accounting firm).
I have done two internships in Japan, one at GE and another at IBM. I am having a lot of trouble finding a job in my home city, and have noticed that business consulting firms typically don't have job postings for entry-level positions online. It seems as though a lot of them deal with on-campus recruiting and so I am discouraged.
Any advice on how to get an interview? So far networking hasn't gotten me very far considering I haven't returned to the US.
What firms are you looking at don't have online postings? Practically all large consulting firms have them and make people going through on campus recruiting apply on their websites too. Do you have access to job postings for your school's US campus?
Sorry for the late reply. When I look at job-postings for entry-level positions in main consulting firms its usually very specific positions in only a few locations. Maybe they have separate pages for new grads? I'll have a closer look. I have access to my university's US campus postings but not the ones designated specifically for business majors as the business department in Japan split from the US campus one a few years back.
I'm wondering how much success people have had through LinkedIn in this field through secondary connections or if there is some other channel to go through that I haven't considered.
You can try WSO's resume service, mate. It's worth a shot.
Thank you. I'll look into it now.
Great places to apply for entry level jobs? (Originally Posted: 02/14/2012)
Hey everyone,
I am a recent college graduate (about 2 months ago) from a top notch engineering school. I graduated with a difficult engineering and mathematics degree with a great GPA. I have been applying to a lot of engineering type jobs, BUT I have started reading trading books and it sounds like something that I would really like to do.
I know I have a unique background, but I think it's one that could really come in handy in this career field. I am just unsure about where to get started, and am wondering if anyone had any suggestions for me? Are there any companies that have really good training programs, or that hire entry level positions? Is there a different path I should take, or a more "entry level" type job I should apply for?
Any time/suggestions are greatly appreciated! And this idea isn't just "on a whim," but something I have thought about a lot for quite some time, I am just now at a point in my life where I can do something about it!
Thanks again.
That's not a unique background at all. Actually, it is very common.
Oh, well that is news to me! Regardless, I am trying to feel out where I need to go to get my foot in the door. I have noticed Quasar Trading has a lot of positions open on www.daytraderjobs.com
i guess i should clarify, your background is unique if you are applying to trading jobs at daytraderjobs.com.
There are a lot of threads on this site that go over some good prop trading shops. I would recommend going to your universities career center website and search for "trader". If it is a top engineering school and I am sure some props recruit there. Find out which ones do, and apply to them. After that, try out linkedin.
What type of engineering?
Mechanical?
Chemical?
Environmental?
Have you looked at the big defense companies like Boeing and Lockheed M.?
My degree is in Engineering Physics. My university was actually a more aviation based university, so they actually don't have many connections through the career services. Is there something wrong with daytraderjobs.com? Again, I'm not too familiar with what is/isn't a reliable site to look for opportunities.
And yes, I have been applying to a number of jobs with many of the big defense companies, but that's not exactly what I'm trying to do here.
Embry Riddle?
I would take the GRE, apply for a MSF or Financial Engineering degree. It is probably too late for this year to get into a shop that is worthwhile.
What you don't want to do is join a company like Quasar(I might be being presumptuous, but I am assuming it is a chop shop). Trade for 6 months, realize you hate it, make no money, get kicked out, and not make a single dime in salary or benefits.
Yes, it was through Embry-Riddle. I appreciate the input, protectedclass. Are there any schools that are particularly known for their Financial Engineering programs?
And That's part of the reason I posted here... because I don't know much about what's out there (like Quasar's reputation, etc.).
I have been seeing Jr. Quant positions all over Bloomberg-->JOBS, EfinancialCareers, and certain staffing companies.
I would shoot for a company that has a lot of government contracts --Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, or something more to the tune of Jacobs Engineering or GE. I would venture to say that these companies will have training programs and molds for you to fit into. I'm not too sure what your passion/focus is, but if it's engineering based -- then this is a good start.
Also, if you are applying to trader-type jobs, I would assume you have ambitions to become a trader? If so, I would probably go back and get my master's in a more finance-based specialty as mentioned above. This is a very common theme I see in IB where someone did engineering, got an MBA/Master's and then went into a finance-related field -- this is essentially how you break into the industry without a traditional background.
Entry-level Finance Jobs for Liberal Arts Majors (Originally Posted: 01/10/2014)
Hi, I am looking for an entry-level job in any one of the following industries: consulting, I-banking, Asset Management, or other related finance areas. I graduated from a top-tier university with a high GPA in Political Science, and I am planning to apply to law school this fall. During this gap period (over 1 1/2 year), I hope to gain some exposure to working in the finance fields, given my interest in pursuing transactional law. Because I have no former training in financial analysis or any work experience in the finance/banking industries, I am wondering what kinds of jobs are available for candidates like me who are interested in entering this field. Any recommendation is greatly appreciated. Thank you!
What have you been doing since graduation? If bizlaw is your desired trajectory, you might be better off doing one of the structured paralegal programs that some of the top law firms have.
Entry level finance jobs (Originally Posted: 08/09/2010)
Hello,
I am an undergraduate student currently in my last year. I have a major in finance. I have been looking for jobs for over a year. The only ones i have come around are finance advisor positions, after some research i realised one does not even need a bachelors degree for this. It is not about the money, but i want some position where i get the right start and some solid experience in my field. I dont know if i am looking at the wrong places, but can you please suggest some sites and networks i should join as a starter.
Sincerely, Raajshree
Google edward jones...you seem the type
I would start with this website ~2-3 years ago. Seriously behind the curve if you are interested in getting on Wall Street, as it takes prep throughout college to build a competitive resume. Unless of course you have some investment banking internships you are not tellings us about.
I really hope it did not take you a year of research to learn that about FA..
edward jones is pretty selective, right up there with mcdonalds.
Looking for entry level position but not finding them, all want experience! (Originally Posted: 09/10/2012)
Here is my resume
http://www.razume.com/documents/27307
I can spin my Financial advisor position to being more analytical, since this resume was tailored more for trading.
Here is what I'm looking to get:
Entry level fixed income analyst Entry level equity research Entry level credit analyst
It seems there are no entry level positions except for operations, how do I apply for jobs when they all want 2-3 years of experience.
I blasted about 400 resumes so far and have gotten zero full time interview bites. I need some help on targeting myself toward the position's I would have the most success nabbing, which is why I included my resume.
Can you guys give me some suggestions for some positions I should apply for. Getting desperate here
PMed you.
Your indents are way too big. Also, resume should be 1 page. Generally it's not that bad, especially from your work experience. Perhaps your GPA/School resulting in no bites. Maybe share those stats here.
Thanks guys, thats another thing I forgot to mention. Razume messed up my resume when it was being uplodaded the indents are not that big and it does fit on to one page.
My Cum gpa is 3.2 and my major gpa is 3.3
My school is a CUNY
hmm, so your gpa is a tad bit low for target finance jobs, but given you've sent 400 resumes it's weird not to get a bite. whered you apply to?
Just about everywhere, BNY mellon, GE, JP Morgan, UBS, tons of smaller Asset Management companies, smaller boutique investment banks, smaller regional banks, Moody's, Fitch.
Just about every entry level postion on efinancecareers, indeed, and even sent emails to HR departments for firms that had no listed postions asking for internships
Just keep getting rejection letters for positions like Jr. Credit Analyst Entry level Fixed income analyst Investment Analyst
I'm not even sure if finance is the field for me anymore because I can love it as much as I want but this is uber disheartning.
I've sent my resume to so many places,
Now Im thinking of trying coporate positions for F500 companies, financial analyst and business analyst basically a junior accountant.
I always wanted to work in a firm that dealt with financial products, but I might have to try F500 now.
Saw this late but let me try to help.
The first thing I would tell you is that sending out 400 resumes (or even 200) blindly is basically kililng your strategy.
Think of it like this: For someone sitting in a seat, if they were to apply for their same job at the same company doing an online app, they would have a 1/50 chance of getting an interview. Thats someone doing the same exact role, and they still only have a 2% chance of getting a bite using the black hole method. Your odds are more like 1/300 (or even worse). So despite all that effort spent online, you still have less than ~1% chance of getting a call back.
Lets be clear, most people know that FA work is highly sales oriented, so you are not going to get any looks simply by your experience. Being from a CUNY (far from a target), you should be spending 90% of your time networking and being aggresive. It just seems like everything youre doing is too passive. Sending 400 rezzy's, taking the CFA and the FRM?!
Stop being passive and hoping that things will fall into place, because they wont. You certainly have the ability so go out and hustle. Email people, get on the phone, grab a beer, send your resume. Rinse and repeat.
Check your pm
Job search for entry-level analyst position, in dire need of advice (Originally Posted: 01/23/2013)
Hi I am a senior undergraduate student graduating at the end of this semester (April 2013) from a well known Canadian university. I am a science (biology/chemistry) and econ major with 3.8 GPA and experiences in academic research mostly. I have 3 upcoming publications in peer-reviewed journal. I have volunteered and had an internship one summer, but I am not sure whether my experiences are competitive enough. In terms of people-skills, I can be little awkward sometimes but I will continuously practice improving my interview skills over the semester.
I am looking to obtain a full-time entry-level consulting position anywhere in Canada and U.S. right after I graduate. My school recruited full-time positions for McKinsey, Bain & Company, and Boston Consulting Group in September. I submitted my application to two of them and got rejected from both. Recently, I attended a career session hosted by Deloitte, but I was told that they usually hire people with advanced degrees (MBA or Msc etc...) for full-time positions.
I am interested in pharmaceutical/chemistry , healthcare, policy-related field. If there are no career opportunities in these field for me, I would also be happy to become involved in other areas as well. I am hoping to work for few years in consulting to save more money and gain people skills before going to either law or medical school.
I have been looking through previous posts on this forum and obtained a list of companies including Leerink Swann, Promidian, and ClearView Healthcare Partners. However, my school does not have contacts in these companies, and so far I have submitted a cold resume and cover letter.
First, 1) I don't know whether I am too late in submitting more cover letters and resumes to consulting companies.
2) I was told that "cold calling" (i.e. blindly selecting emails etc...) is not effective. If I do not know any contacts, should I still bother sending off resumes and cover letters to companies?
3) Is it possible to network with people through this forum? If so, could someone kindly explain how I can do so?
4) Could anyone recommend a list of companies that I could still contact at this point in order to get a full-time position or an internship? I can work anywhere in Canada and U.S.
If anyone can kindly offer any advice to me, I would appreciate it very much. I will also gladly send a copy of my CV as well.
Thank you so much!!!!!!!!!!
there is a big list of these consulting firms that can give you proper guidance how to get internship or a position in a consulting firm.
My intention isn't to be rude but if you're admittedly awkward, why would anyone put you in front of their client? Might want to explore something other than consulting. There a lot of awkward people but those who are mildly awkward likely aren't even aware. To have the self-awareness to call yourself awkward right off the bat makes me think you are more awkward than you may want to accept.
Maybe BO/MO positions?
Big 4 - What are the best entry-level finance jobs to apply for? (Originally Posted: 07/15/2015)
I currently work as an Intern in audit at EY. What are some entry-level finance jobs at Big 4?
Try to get into the TS/TAS group as an associate. Or better, try to get an offer elsewhere if you know now that you don't like audit.
People like audit?
Thank you for the comments.
Yes, audit is pretty terrible, but FSO has me working on PE funds and looking over their valuations. As an intern, it's pretty fun.
There appears no way into TAS/TS without experience, and I don't have any. I'd have pay my dues in audit and switch in, which isn't the most appealing thought process. I seriously don't want to get pigeon holed into accounting, and that's what audit seems to do.
Study CFA on the side while in audit in order to not get pigeon holed as an accountant?
How difficult is getting entry level CF positions at big mature companies or tech firms? (Originally Posted: 02/02/2016)
So the BB thing isn't going to work for me. I'm a non target with an average GPA. Graduated. I'm wondering if I can get a job going a different route. Trying it for big mature firms(blue chips like GE etc) and big tech firms(your Facebook and Amazon type of places)
A cursory look showed many expected at least 2-3 years of experience. How difficult is it to secure CF roles at these positions and what roles/programs should I be looking for? For example apple expects its analysts to an advanced degree or 4-7 years experience. Is there anything an entry level undergraduate? Is it even possible to get in or just as difficult as BB/MM?
I know most of these firms have rotational/development programs. Are there any particular ones I should look into?
Still pretty competitive and extremely difficult for F500, especially if you don't go through OCR. Especially for Big 4 tech companies or blue chip companies like GE. many people who go through the likes of GE FMP or Microsoft FRP are of target school pedigree and forwent banking/consulting on purpose to do corpfin.
If you graduated from a non-target with avg GPA and are literally sitting at home unemployed now, frankly I'd take anything I can get to fill the unemployment gap.
GE, Facebook, Amazon, Google, etc. probably are not realistic right now. I hate to say it, but you would have had a much better chance targeting those roles during OCR than having graduated and not having a job. Someone is going to look at your resume and think that you could not realistically plan "next steps", whether or not that is the case. Setting realistic expectations is a huge part of an FP&A role. Anything posted now is an experienced hire role and you won't qualify for them (they are not likely to budge on ANY expectations for a company like that).
What you CAN do now are two things:
Quickly register with colleges for SOMETHING and take another semester (even if you need to do it at the community college or an extension program). Whether it's accounting to make yourself CPA eligible, learning technology, studying ops management, any excuse for why you don't have a job now is better than nothing. Then participate in OCR with 2016 grads - keeping a realistic expectation of what types of roles you should target. When they ask WHY you didn't have a job at graduation, DO NOT go into mis-targeting roles. Something like "I didn't have enough units to be CPA eligible and wanted to make sure I was before working" is perfectly fine.
Take any FP&A job you can get at a mid-size company. If "big names" are your end goal, make sure it's a name people will recognize for one reason or another. Going from mom and pop shops to corporate giants is virtually impossible. It may not be a glamorous company that you go with; but something like a Billabong, SYSCO, Golden State Foods, Avery, Mattel, Ingram Micro, etc. would be something everyone has heard of and can open doors. Those also should be approachable now if the role is entry level and a good fit.
Good luck!
Networking - Looking for an entry-level position in trading (Originally Posted: 11/24/2007)
I am looking for an entry-level position in Trading and do not know anyone in the industry. I live in Seattle and not sure how would I possibly network to someone in NY. I have graduated from a target school with a BS in EE about 4 years ago. Would applying online to the trading firms be enough to secure an interview ?
Any suggestions are welcomed. Thanks.
I'd contact alumni from your school directly if you come from a target. Although I don't know anything about the online process for people that have been in the work force for a while.
I want to work now! No, really. I want those 100+ hours/week.
How to get an Entry Level job as Analyst or CRM..Need Help! (Originally Posted: 07/02/2010)
From anyone's experience, what is the best way to land an entry level job (either CRM or Analyst) at a boutique or IBank. I recently graduated and am looking for a postion in NYC or SF (my school only recruits in the midwest). Any advice besides going on job boards or applying to company training programs would greatly help. Thanks!
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Kiss assess...Lick Butts and Kiss asses
The guys above are absolutely right! Network and start cold-calling if you have to, remember:
"The squeaky wheel gets the grease"
first off, you need to learn all about banking. "and an entry level job (either CRM or Analyst) at a boutique or IBank"
a boutique is a small firm, term is used in any industry. and you want to be an analyst, not a crm.
advice:
get the vault guide from your school for finance interviews and the ibanking one get the merger and inquisitions guide and read it front to back
know everything about ibanking. then go look for interviews. find a list of firms in your area and always call. emailing doesnt do shit unless your an allstar on paper.
good luck and dont think you'll get this without hard work.
Looking for direction in getting an entry-level job (Originally Posted: 04/18/2012)
Hello,
I am a middle-aged male, and I am looking to transition into an entry-level job in the financial industry. I have been in sales the last five years. Before that, I was in commercial real estate appraisal for seven years, and before that consumer credit and lending.
I have a diverse background and skill set in my job history which I feel will help me in obtaining an entry-level job in the finance industry. I am also looking to complete a four-year degree in accounting and finance, but that will take a while. I have experience in real estate valuation, practical experience in writing commercial real estate valuations for banks, credit analysis and credit underwriting experience.
I don't know, with my background, what direction to go and what areas I need to look into. I know the financial industry has so many areas of specialty. I'm new to all of this and I am looking for advice.
Thanks!
define your "entry-level job in the finance industry"
If you've been in sales, you could easily get a financial representative job at a insurance firm. I have a few family members/friends that are in financial planning. They actually love their jobs too. Only downside is the pay isn't the best until you build you client base up. Also from the research i've done you could also probably get a position as a loan officer at a commercial bank.
Advice/where to look for an entry level job in Finance? (Originally Posted: 11/11/2012)
Hey guys,
I'm about to graduate grad school (MBA) with little to no experience, so I'm trying to find an entry level job. I saw someone mention GE as a good place to apply for an entry level job, any other good ones?
Currently, I'm interning at UBS. I obtained the internship through an acquaintance (who is my boss and a FA) as a favor, but when he realized the potential network I have through my family, he began talking about the possibility of me becoming a financial adviser if I can tap into my network. Unfortunately for me, I learned that it normally takes people 1-2 years to get on their feet and on to becoming a financial adviser. He was giving me 2-3 months to do all of my networking AND at the end of the year. Since that is impossible to do, the opportunity has sort of fallen through. Though, he has offered to try to give me a job at UBS's back-office (in another location of the city I live in) and allow me to work on my network in the meantime. Once I bring in so much $$ from clients, they would bring me on full-time and work towards getting my Series 7 and 66. For some reason I feel that I may get used if I go down this path. My boss, who was an acquaintance/friend of mine before getting the internship, treats me more as a lowly undergrad intern than a friend at work. There are other subtle things, but that's what leads me to believe I may get used. So that's where I am at this point.
TL;DR: Intern at UBS, potential to become a FA through my network, not optimistic about the pathway, feel that I may get used by my employer. Looking for something else.
yup, sounds like you are being used. Are you actually wanting to become a financial advisor? Is it a top-ish MBA program? Depending on what you want long term, maybe consider summer associate somewhere, besides your "friend"
No it is not a top tier MBA program. I'm not necessarily looking for the most competitive job position. I'm looking to get an entry level job in the area of Finance that will help start a career. I have the potential to live in Dallas (really anywhere in Texas), Nashville, and Washington DC area if that helps to give any perspective of where I'm looking. However, I wouldn't mind moving somewhere else for a job. I'm looking for an entry level job, so I was hoping some people here may have had past experiences or some advice they could share with me on getting my career started.
You recommend a summer associate, but graduate this December.
How did you manage to get an mba with little to no experience? Also, GE is pretty particular on not hiring entry level in fin/acct who have not already been working for at least 1-2 years in that field; Although I think this is more a preference and wont bar you from having a chance.
There are many large colleges that don't require prior work experience to attend, though they are not top tier MBA programs, but they're fine. Reason for this is because I was 99.9% sure that once I left school to begin a career, I would never want to return to back to school. Additionally, it's likely that I will be self-employed 20 years down the road due to family business, so seeking a top tier MBA program was not important for me.
So you're saying that GE does not have a program targeted at newly grads with little to no experience?
Recent undergrad - the best way to go about a job search for entry level? (Originally Posted: 02/27/2013)
Hey everyone, i just recently graduated from pace university (not sure where that stands in terms of "target / non-target") and now the job search begins. I do have a decent amount of experience in market research and IBD but not in any BB of big name firms. I just wanted to get others' opinions on what the market is like right now for recent grads and any tips on job searching?
I am in contact with a couple of recruiters but they don't seem to put much focus on entry level positions, what are your thoughts on cold-emailing/cold-calling, etc.?
Troll?
Most banks will have wrapped up their FT and SA recruiting seasons by now.
Recruiting for FT occurs in the fall, usually from late August to October.
You are wrong. He has already graduated. He doesn't qualify for full-time campus recruitment.
What have you been doing since December?
I graduated in December as well, and I haven't stopped getting in touch with professionals/headhunters/recruiters. I spoke with probably 50 ppl since December and have had a good number of interviews with BBs/MM companies.
You have wasted precious time, IMHO.
Companies are hiring for all kind of positions right now (there are not a lot of them but they are out there... don't forget, we are not in 2006 anymore).
Start networking if you want a job... if you have good experience as you say, how come you haven't found a job yet?
You're absolutely right. My search did initially begin in July but some things happened and I wasn't able to prioritize it as well as I should have so I am sort of behind. I am in touch with recruiters and they've told me that experience is too front office related to be able to land an entry level job and ill have to undersell myself in interviews. My experience is in research and a small IB but I want to break in to AM/HF, how do you go about getting in touch with professionals? From my knowledge head hunters don't as much effort into recruiting entry level candidates as they do for more experienced professionals.
I need to find a decent entry-level job (Originally Posted: 10/24/2008)
I'm getting more realistic and realizing I'm not landing a good job after graduation. My GPA is currently 3.25, but if I keep up what I've done the last couple of semesters I should be around a 3.4-3.5 when I graduate. The problem is, is that I'm applying to jobs right now and my resume honestly just stinks. I need to know where I should be applying for a decent job, with my eventual goal being an MBA. Right now like I said I have a 3.25 GPA in Economics (BA). I'm only part of 2 clubs and an officer in neither. I've had an internship in the accounting department in some crappy hotel and at a Merrill Lynch Global Private client group.
What are the steps I should be taking if I want to get the MBA in 4-5 years? Any help is appreciated, thanks.
enterprise rent a car is rated by Forbes as being one of the top 5 places to start a career in 2008
Enterprise is rated that because it allows you to eventually run your agency and can become quite profitable.
but define decent. i suggest you get in somewhere for a financial analyst position with a big name company. I don't know if they look at econ majors. but can you go back to work at the "crappy" hotel or ML?
if you can't get one there, get one with a mid size business or a small business and work ur way up to the big companies over time.
I doubt you'll have to work at the GAP, Starbucks or Subway, not that there is anything wrong with it in this market.
Make ur resume shine. I think that you have some good work experience working in accounting and at a big name securities firm. Its not as if u were pitching stocks from JT Marlin. There's a resume review service on this website and I think Mergers & Inquisitions offers a free service as well.
Try to look for companies near you. Most career services keep a Binder full of business cards of all people that came to recruit at the school. Grab the Binder and see if you can make contacts with people from any of these companies, do the same at career fairs. You still have a good amount of time to interview seeing as how you are still in school. I'm sure you'll find something good once you decided what you want before you graduate.
Thanks for the helpful response. I don't think there is any chance I will ever go back to the hotel, mainly because it was the most poorly run place and crappiest job ever. If I stayed at Merrill it would be doing financial advising, also something I don't really want to do.
How do b-schools view working at smaller companies? For instance if I applied to a top-25 school with a resume that had a place no one ever heard of would my application go right for the trash?
Thanks again.
Bank has a entry level analyst program. Base runs ~50-60 plus a small bonus. It ain't much but it's a job.
Entry level position (Originally Posted: 10/25/2009)
Do you have to be a recent graduate in order to gain an entry level position in a prop firm ? What if you are out of school for about 5 years and trying to change your career from Engineering to Trading ? Does having an excellent track record in the personal trading account helps you to get in ?
Thanks for the help.
Well, from where i sit prop trading firms differ wildly between each other. so i imagine the relative difficulty of getting an entry position depends on the firms you are looking at. got any name?
I am looking at reputed market making firms like DRW, Optiver, SIG, etc and also firms like First NY for discretionary trading. Do you have any information on those ?
Thanks very much.
Boutique Entry-Level Positions (Originally Posted: 02/26/2010)
Hi All--
The brother of a close friend of mine is looking to re-enter ER (he interned in a BB his junior year) but got burned by the recession and is currently working in corp fin at an energy company. He had his heart set on working for Wellington, but didn't get past the first round interviews. He's essentially looking for an entry-level position.
Unfortunately, my firm has already finished hiring for the 2010 associate class, so I can't help him other than look over his resume and forward it along to HR. Is there anything he can do at this point in the year? I know some here have said Feb-Jun is a good time to actively search for a job--would this be for boutiques?
He's a good kid, smart and hardworking, but he's anxious about how to talk about his corp fin experience since it's not a clear link to equity research. I've told him that since he's studying for the CFAs, is obviously really enthusiastic about stock-picking and presents well he should be fine, but I'd appreciate your thoughts.
Thanks.
Def look at some boutiques. I have a friend who recently interviewed at Janney Montgomery Scott for a lateral hire position, so it looks like some places are looking to hire.
I need an entry level analyst job in the industry...anyone? (Originally Posted: 05/24/2010)
I've been back and forth with trying to get a J-O-B! I even had a previous post on the sacrifice I made to get concrete experience. Interviews, recruiters, career fairs, networking events, connections, linkedIN...etc Can anyone relate to this? Did anyone find a way out of this race? Its so darn depressing. Makes me wonder if college, and 2 years of venture capital/venture debt was worth it. Can the WSO community do anything for me? Network? Advice? :)
EDIT: Link to resume.....http://www.razume.com/documents/15029 Thanks!
post a link to your resume
You need an entry level analyst job
according to your profile, you've already found one! congrats
no... i havent found one rooster. i updated my profile
@guenter: it was a typo...
post resume
I just provided the link to my resume...thanks
my advice: get rid of 'community college' section and expand both the vc and middle mkt internship section. go more into detail about the vc transactions. its not be much, but i think i t will make a positive difference.
actually, after taking a better look, there are a couple things i would fix:
*definitley expand on your transaction exp at your vc.
*in the 'certifications' section, put 'cfa level 1 candidate' and get rid of 'cfa level 1 candidate' under 'education'. also, get rid of the other certifications, theyre irrelevant for the jobs you are pursuing. ......on a saide note, can you put that you are a 'cfa level 1 candidate' on your resume? i dont think the cfa lets you do that, look into it.
*why no GPA? was it too low? youre still kind of a recent grad.
*why are 'computer skills' and 'languages' on the same line?
*generally, be more specific about your work and the results of your work. use lots of numbers. and hilight achievements that were a direct result of your work.
i just skimmed it, those are the things that stick out the most.
yes i graduated last year but started working with the vc/vd firm before i graduated. i checked and i understand that as long as i am registered for the cfa exam, i can use it, but i must be registered - which i am. my cfa mention was originally under "certifiications" but i was advised to move it to education to make it more prominent and observable... i will certainly work on adding more detail about specific transactions and the results and taking out the irrelevant stuff... thanx much mr1234
Entry level job advice (Originally Posted: 05/11/2011)
The point of this post is to generate advice from anyone willing to reply. I will be brief. I am a senior finance & accounting major at a public university in texas. I am intersted in pursuing some type of entry level analyst position with ib/hf/pe/vc. GPA is decent, 3.1. I know that these types of firms can choose from graduates of any prestigious university, of which I am not. What is the best plan to get entry into these firms, if any? In addition, I am about 5 years older than my competition due to time spent in the military. Any advice is appreciated.
Network. Network. Network.
Coming from a non-target with a low-for-banking gpa is going to be difficult. Cold dropping your resume on company websites or with HR will likely get you nowhere.
Use your alum network, reach out to people for opportunities, find recruiters on LinkedIn . . .
You're going to have to work for those first round interviews, but it's not impossible.
Some of the alumni channels that you would expect to be established are not quite to par yet. The school has a bright future and will soon be a tier-one research program, however, their focus to reach this goal has come at a cost. Is it too forward to use tools like LinkedIn to search for alumni employed by the firms I have in mind and shoot them a cold-call message explaining my position?
Let's assume that it was too forward. Would there be any downside to doing it?
Definitely not an easy task this late in the game since you are a senior.
Being older is not a big deal, especially since it was military experience.
The biggest issue is going to be how you answer the "why" question. Why do you want to work as an analyst in one of those fields? Do you have relevant experiences or activities to back up your answer? If not, you might be SOL for now. You could try smaller shops in secondary cities where the competition is less.
Alternatively, you can always get a job doing something/anything and look at going back to business school in a few years. That's what I had to because I come out of undergrad during a recession so I had to take what I could get at the time. Going back to b-school was my transition to my career today.
buybuybuy,
You are absolutley right.
jq,
I feel that my answer to "why" supports my desires, however, I do have limited knowledge and experience. My time spent in the military has led me to the frontlines of American foreign policy. These experiences challenged me and forced me to adapt to an ever-changing environment. I believe finance offers a similar experience. I mean who wouldn't want to be on the frontlines of the largest most powerful economy in the world. I believe that knowledge is power and that success in this industry is attained by those who are constantly educating themselves. As my knowledge of finance expands I find that my desire to read outside literature (WSJ, various economic text etc..) grows. It is no secret that this is vital to success in finance and, in my opinion, I believe expansion of my human capital allows me to be a more productive citizen in both the US and the World. A professor told me that the point of finance is to figure out who has the best ideas and provide these people with the money needed to implement their ideas. This is a challenge that I would love to take on. If this is what people want to hear then great, if not, then I believe your alternate advice is more appropriate for me.
Incorporating your military experience into your elevator speech is very good. Definitely use that to your advantage.
After that, you need to be much, much more specific. Your pitch is good, but IB people will want to know specifically why you want to be a banker, PE people will want to know specifically why you want to be in PE, etc.
In whatever specific field in finance you choose, you need to be able to explain your passion and prove it with past experiences/accomplishments. Proving it is the key as anyone can say they have a passion for something.
Entry-level position for fresh out of undergrad? (Originally Posted: 05/22/2011)
im just finished up my undergrad degree and i was wondering if there were entry-level positions is Asset Management that i could apply for.
any ideas on which positions and which firms?
Background?
there are plenty but we need more info
school? major? GPA? experience? city?
perhaps post your resume on razume and link to here for critique....
^^^this
I have a feeling you are going to be pretty disappointed by what you find, starting this late in the game. Of course, I don't know what your credentials are so I could be way off base here.
Best and cheapest way to transition into an entry level position in finance from the legal field (Originally Posted: 08/09/2011)
I am not sure if this is the appropriate forum, but it's close enough to my subject. I am a 28 yr old paralegal at a biglaw firm doing structured finance/ corporate work and would like to transition into an entry level finance position.
I don't have a quantitative background, and I was wondering what would be the best and cheapest way of getting that type of education in NYC.
I am leaning towards taking a few finance courses at Baruch, but they are about $350/credit, which adds up.
So any advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks...
Seems like school is your best bet any way you go.
Network A LOT and meet the people that make those kinds of decisions, i.e., MDs. That can definitely get you in, and if you'd like to meet more people that are likely doing what you're doing, get into a MSF program. Expensive, but it may help you.
Alternatively, I think you best thing you can do is an MBA.
Expensive as hell also, but it'll pay for itself if you get a good job (aka if you go to a good school). NYU Stern?
Just moved to NYC and seeking an entry-level position (Originally Posted: 09/22/2011)
Greetings fellow monkeys!! I have an extremely unique background, and am trying to break into the financial industry at an entry-level position. I recently just moved to NYC.
Long story short, I was a professional athlete both before & after I completed college. I signed my first contract at the age of 19 in Europe. After playing for 3 years professionally, I decided to come back to the states and attend college. After graduating with a degree in Business Administration, I was extended the offer to continue playing professionally here in the U.S. Not many 24 year olds are going to turn down an offer to play a sport professionally so I decided to continue playing. Knowing that I wanted to eventually get into finance after my playing days, I simultaneously enrolled into a non-target graduate school, and finished my MBA w/a concentration in Finance (GPA: 3.6) while still playing. I interned as a analyst at the last professional club I played for. In 2010/11 I was still slated to play, but picked up an injury. While rehabbing, I served as a Director of Program Finance for a sports specific training company in Chicago, IL. Here I assisted in analyzing program financials and my main responsibility was to improve our overall financial efficiency and strengthen our liquidity.
Having just recently moved to NYC, I am looking to break into the financial industry at any entry-level capacity. I know that my experience performing in high-pressure/fast-pace/competitive environments suits me well for trading, and I would love to work as a Trader Assistant, or an intern.
I am well aware of the current economic condition, and that many of the candidates that I am going up against have more traditional backgrounds. However it was impossible to intern during the summer at a BB while your season as a professional athlete runs during the summer. And yes, I know that I should have waited to receive my MBA, but thought it would show great commitment and organization to simultaneously receive my MBA while still playing, because truth be told I had lots of down time.
If you guys could help my with some advice/insight on what you think the best way for me to attain an entry-level position would be. Would there be any sense in enrolling into the Analyst Exchange or Investment Banking Institute?? I've been contacted for some internships, but am hesitant to go to a place like JH Darbie, because I don't want to take another step backwards. Should I consider stockbroker trainee programs?? Or do you think there is a chance any place would be interested in me at an entry-level capacity considering my blend of analytical experience and on-field achievements??
I'm looking forward to hearing from you all. Thanks
Haven't you posted this like 3 times already?
Yes I have posted this previously, however there never seems to be any real advice just comments regarding soccer, or some other comments regarding Landon Donovan or David Beckham. Just trying to use all my resources and consult with people who have more experience than I do, who may want to help that's all.
Soccer is not a real sport in america....
Heckuva day to try and land a job in finance. But best of luck to you.
Dude, nowadays its more about luck than networking (given, you network your balance sheets off). i mean I am sure you know what happened this whole week. you ll just have to get out there and network, cold call (politely), and hope that, somehow, somewhere, someone will bite.
We all have unique stories, backgrounds, etc.
Good luck buddy and welcome to NYC.
Network often. Be prepared. Often as was the case with my situation it came down to being in the right place at the right time, or as one would say luck. If you stay in front of people walking the line between annoying and persistent chance are high you'll get a break.
you guys are so mean. soccer is still a sport.
If you are posting on a predominantly Investment Banking focused forum, I assume you are intereted in banking as well... Maybe reach out to top sports investment bankers / sports banking firms and try to tell your story. There are some great former athletes. Below are a few resources:
http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/10/news/companies/greenberg_sports_deal_ki…
http://www.prkln.com/transactions/
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2010/05/Issue-167/Sport…
Awesome. thanks for the advice. Just going to have to continue to be persistent and walk that fine line between being annoying and driven. Any technical areas/software that you guys would recommend I try and brush up my skills on?? I'm learning SQL right now, but any other thoughts??
Try First New York.
entry level position (Originally Posted: 09/22/2011)
Monkeys, Pease review my resume and provide your valuable feedback (No BS plz) while eating banana or scratching your backs. http://www.razume.com/documents/22202
bananas
I would change the dates on your experience to be numerical (ex: 6/09-8/09).
If the line that separates the sections of your resume starts at one point on the left than it should end at the same point on the right. If that makes sense.
Also, do something about the placement of the dates, they kind of look like they are floating around in the middle.
Add something interesting your activities. Like what you do in your free time other than taxes and financial modeling courses. Sports, traveling, etc. People want to work with a real person who is interesting and smart not a robot.
dont be classy, just be sassy
@ Simple As: great points, thanks!!!
@ Spaceagecowboy: need alittle more explination
International Entry-Level Job Program (Originally Posted: 12/16/2011)
Just wondering, what is the best entry-level program outside the United States?
This is such a generic question. Depends on your definition of "best" and what your interests are.
Entry Level Analyst position (Originally Posted: 02/10/2012)
I've had about 8 months experience in fixed income markets and having graduated recently, I have received an offer from a consultancy firm.
Consultancy firms tend to be very diverse and have projects in marketing, operations and risk management. My preference would be to work in risk management, but I haven't been guaranteed a project in that domain - although I have been assured that if there is a requirement there, I would be offered a chance. Given the tough scene in financial services, I haven't been able to bag an offer of my choice, so I was thinking of accepting the offer with this firm and try to make the switch later on.
How easy would it be to shift from consulting to finance, two to three years later down the line?
Thanks!
PS: I would be willing to make the shift for an entry level positions two years later.
Sounds like a temp agency.
????
Don't settle for a job you don't want. Although the job search can be demoralizing, you will be sorrier if you accept a position you're unhappy with than if you stick to your guns and go for what really interests you. Taking something you don't want is a little like living a lie, and that never sits well. Consulting is great for those who want to do it, and awful for those who don't. Same for banking.
Having a job always beats being unemployed - it's easier to find a job when you already have one, you get a salary, partners in consulting are usually pretty well connected and so on. If that's your only option I would say you should definately take it.
This. Plus you'll make your own connections working with firms. You never know, one may be hiring.
Just check to make sure you're legally allowed to accept an employment offer from a consulting client, there may be rules against that.
Entry level BB positions (Originally Posted: 06/06/2012)
So I know a bit about banking (God hope I do, after this long studying it), but I was hoping for an experienced person to basically give me the long and short of the basic entry level positions and career paths in BB banking institutes. Operations vs IB vs PWM vs everything ... a nice outlay (or a link to it) of the basic paths I could expect to start on would be awesome, as well as compensation paths, reasons I'd want to do that specific job (not what I'd tell an employer, but what you'd recommend from your personal experience), etc.
Thanks in advance!
Though a bit tongue-in-cheek: http://equity-research.com/front-office-roles-at-investment-banks/
"Oh, and don’t forget to suck a lot of client dick if you want get those Extel votes." ^ that's pretty accurate in my view.
Anything more in depth?
Forgot to say thanks, so, thanks :)
But is there any more info about back-office, etc?
Best bet for securing entry level position? (Originally Posted: 08/05/2012)
Question: I am in Philadelphia, what is my best bet for getting an entry level position at a firm (management consulting, banking, PE, anything) as someone who graduated from college 4 years ago?
A little more info: I spent the 4 years after college doing entrepreneurial projects but I am no longer satisfied by this. Although I did earn a lot of money, I want to get into one of the positions that WSO monkeys do. It was my original dream when I was in college to do a job like this before I got involved in entrepreneurship.
My problem is that I would really be going into an entry level position (I assume) because I do not have this sort of work experience. Yet, I do not see these positions advertised on firm's websites for "experienced" hires. When I try to apply through recent grad, they tell me that because I have this entrepreneur experience, I need to apply through experienced hire page and there are no "analyst" or "associate" jobs there.
What is your advice? How can I best get a job at any of these places?
Your best bet is to network! You should have had a decent network as an entrepreneur. Try to leverage those relationships.
open wide...
What are some entry level/intern analyst positions for recent grads? (Originally Posted: 02/14/2013)
After doing some more research, working as an analyst seems more interesting than other options at present. Having graduated in December ... what are some entry level or intern positions that are realistically obtainable for a 3.5+ GPA student.
After speaking to several people, getting an analyst internship with one of the large IB's is unlikely because those positions are held for juniors/seniors.
I couldn't participate in any of those largely being in the hospital during those years of my college experience.
What should I be searching for and where should I be searching? Is the entry level analyst called a junior analyst?
Anyone have some insight on this?? I am in a similar situation and I understand the chances of breaking into a FT banking position at this point are highly unlikely. That being said, how hard is it to land an internship after graduation?? I've recently started cold emailing some investment advisors and investment banks (boutique) offering to work as an unpaid intern.
King of Opz has it right. Just start emailing anyone you know or even those you don't know about working unpaid or asking about opportunities. You've obviously missed the boat for FT recruiting but that doesn't mean you can't work your way in the back door.
Stay persistent. Search the cold email and cold call threads, find a strategy that works and just bust your ass. The thing that resonates with me most is that many times for your situation (myself included) it comes down to finding someone willing to buy what you're selling (yourself).
Cold emails and cold calls have actually gotten me a long ways in off-cycle non-traditional recruiting.
Step 1 - move to the city.
My mentor goes on and on about how he slept on his friend's floor for months before he got in. Point being, you need to be in the heart of the area to be able to meet with people face-to-face and take interviews. Not every shop pays for plane tickets, especially when they have 100+ other candidates already in the area.
Be relentless. That's it, I'm done.
I live in Brooklyn .. 30 minute train ride away from lower manhattan. travelling to interviews is not a problem. i just need to find an institution with openings worth my time.
I'm gonna check out some of the threads about cold calling/emailing strategy for off cycle hiring.
I have a broker trainee interview on tuesday with HFP capital but that's definitely not my preferred career. Not a fan of slinging white man crack rock. (Boiler Room)
I was in the same situation, just network your butt off. It's really your best shot. Online applications are a waste. You WILL get an offer through your contacts if you do things correctly. Network network network
I graduated from an irrelevant major, I cold called every firm, I have gotten a nice paid internship that may offer me an FT position, but it has also opened doors for small boutique FT interviews. btw, i had a 3.2
Awesome stuff, thanks all!
Best sites for entry level opportunity (Originally Posted: 08/06/2014)
Hi All,
I have been networking non-stop to get myself an opportunity within the industry. I have been leveraging my contacts and contacts of theirs. Another way I have been going about speaking with people in the industry is seeing who is hiring via indeed, LinkedIn search, etc. and then looking up folks within those companies and reaching out cold.
Are there specific sites where is best to know the most up to date postings from jobs? Or is there any way to know if companies are hiring prior to them being published?
Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Your career's website at school
Unfortunately, there are no resources available beyond what you have already described. Do you have any relevant internships? Have you contacted alumni, friends, family, etc.? You can use the standard job sites (Indeed, Doostang, LinkedIn, WSO, etc.) in addition to applying directly on company websites but entry level positions are difficult to obtain, especially without prior relevant work experience. I will tell you that if you are going to cold contact someone make sure you do not use a generic template (I immediately delete those). Instead find something on LinkedIn that you have in common or is of interest. Keep the emails relatively short (5-6 sentences). Introduce yourself, state the reason for reaching out, try to reference something you have in common (golf, sports, alumni, etc.) and see if you can get someone on the phone for 15 minutes. Its a numbers game and it only takes 1 person to say yes. Good luck.
Yes, I should have been more descriptive on what I have already done. I have used a lot of alumni, family, and friends and have received a lot of leverage from that. I have also seen an enormous amount of success through cold emailing. I was more curious if there were other ways than what I have already been doing.
The closest experience that I have is a course I took with the Investment Banking Institute. Playing hockey in college didn't allow me the time to do internships during the summer.
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