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Why the **** people tip is beyond my comprehension.

If you're at a restaurant/eating out and someone brings you your food and at the end of the meal you owe them $30, then why would you tip them $10 just for carrying a plate of food back and forth. At the end of the meal it makes no difference whatsoever if you give them that extra money.

A waiter will get at least minimum wage no matter what because even if their base rate is below minimum wage their employer has to by law make up the money. They do not deserve some stupidly high pay for their menial work. I do not have some high paying job, i am in full time education, if I am lucky enough to be able to eat out or order a takeaway then i most likely can not afford to give extra money away, what a stupid ****ing thing to do.

And why do idiot waiters expect 15-20% tip no matter how large the bill is? If I order food that costs $1000, why should a waiter expect $200 for the same amount of work as if I had ordered a $5 sandwich? It's carrying a plate of food ten feet to a table, a monkey can be trained to do it, and they do not deserve wages higher than people who were smart enough to graduate high school and not do some dumbass work.

Waiters are slaves. You make a living waiting on other people bringing them food and drink. Its been around for thousands of years except back then you were rewarded with your life and punished with lashes or death. Waiters are modern day servants.

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Comments (288)

  • Abdel's picture

    Finally someone who understands.

    Waiters are PAID to serve. If they want a bonus, let them ask their boss who is probably driving a ferrari.

  • hoodinternet's picture

    You know what the worst about tipping is? When people at fast food restaurants EXPECT a tip. At my food court there are a few places where the person literally picks up a pre-cooked sandwich, puts it in a grill, and hands it to me when its done. And when you go to pay theres an option to tip. I always hit $0 because what the fuck did the guy actually do, and they always give me cold stares as if they are entitled to 20% because of their 20 seconds of work.

  • historiclegend's picture

    You pay for the service you get, just like in any other industry. If everyone stopped tipping the owners would have to pay for the difference, which would raise the prices of the food. So since people are going to pay for it anyways, you two are just being freeloaders and cheap.

  • Abdel's picture

    UFO will come in soon crying about how horrible non-tipping people are.

  • Im not very creative's picture

    fitnessmodel:
    Why the **** people tip is beyond my comprehension.

    If you're at a restaurant/eating out and someone brings you your food and at the end of the meal you owe them $30, then why would you tip them $10 just for carrying a plate of food back and forth. At the end of the meal it makes no difference whatsoever if you give them that extra money. [Apparently it does or you wouldn't be making this thread]

    A waiter will get at least minimum wage no matter what because even if their base rate is below minimum wage their employer has to by law make up the money. [That sounds like a dream come true dealing with assholes all day, I'd rather do far easier jobs for minimum wage] They do not deserve some stupidly high pay for their menial work [If you are broke then I highly doubt you are going to be paying "stupidly high amounts in tips"]. I do not have some high paying job, i am in full time education, if I am lucky enough to be able to eat out or order a takeaway then i most likely can not afford to give extra money away, what a stupid ****ing thing to do. [It is also customary, and yeah, while the employer might be responsible for making up the 'minimum wage' that is hardly enticing]

    And why do idiot waiters expect 15-20% tip no matter how large the bill is? If I order food that costs $1000, why should a waiter expect $200 for the same amount of work as if I had ordered a $5 sandwich [Yeah probably, but I imagine the service would represent the price of the restaurant you are eating at]? It's carrying a plate of food ten feet to a table [I am guessing you have never been a waiter (me neither)], a monkey can be trained to do it, and they do not deserve wages higher than people who were smart enough to graduate high school and not do some dumbass work. [I would be willing to bet that most waiters graduated High school]

    Waiters are slaves.[I didn't think that slaves got paid] You make a living waiting on other people bringing them food and drink. Its been around for thousands of years except back then you were rewarded with your life and punished with lashes or death. Waiters are modern day servants [That is a dumb fucking comparison, that is like saying anyone that works in the service industry is a servant (which makes more sense actually than your contradictory "slave" comment].

    I understand being broke, but before I go out to eat I take into account that on top of the menu price, I will have to pay tax and tip.

  • TEX's picture

    First of all: "fitnessmodel" = douchiest tag ever.

    Secondly: don't you have some lame blog you can post tripe like this on?

    Finally, to address the "substance" of your post: not tipping at the end of the meal makes you what economists would call a freerider. The waiter probably gets paid something like $2.50/hour (not minimum wage as you claim) and his whole pay structure is based on the assumption that people will tip around 15%. So he or she is waiting on you (taking your order, bringing your food or drinks, making sure your experience is going well) based on the assumption that you will compensate him at the end of the meal. If a customer like you takes advantage of this assumption and fails to tip then you are being a freerider and getting a benefit without paying anything for it, because the price of the waiter is not built into the price of the food.

    You are like the guy who drives on the shoulder to get around a traffic jam thinking you are so smart and then expects people to let you in near the bottleneck. Yeah, everyone thought of doing that same thing but no one else did it because they aren't assholes.

    "Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst. Capitalize on what comes."

  • WSOusername's picture

    6/10. Not a bad effort, but I've seen better

    GBS

  • AndyLouis's picture

    service IS better in countries / cultures where tipping is expected.

    An example - the other day at brunch the waiter came by 5times and refilled our water glasses and coffee without ever being asked.

    I haven't been to Australia where there is no tipping but their base wage is at least $20/hr (and drinks are more expensive)

    Tip 15% for average service, 20% for great service, and less than 15% if it was really shitty, that's just how it is in our culture and i dont see things changing anytime soon

  • CHItizen's picture

    fitnessmodel:

    And why do idiot waiters expect 15-20% tip no matter how large the bill is? If I order food that costs $1000, why should a waiter expect $200 for the same amount of work as if I had ordered a $5 sandwich?

    Because it's not the same amount of work? Unless you order a $1000 sandwich, a bill that comes out to $1000 probably had proportionally more work to do; a $1000 bill could conceivably come from a party of 10-20, whereas a cheaper bill (say, $100) probably had fewer people, and thus less work for the waiter.

  • In reply to AndyLouis
    Abdel's picture

    AndyLouis:

    service IS better in countries / cultures where tipping is expected.

    Cain't wait 'till they replace them all with robots and monkeys.

  • cplpayne's picture

    Go out to dinner in South Beach where most places automatically charge gratuity to the bill and you will understand why it is better to have a server working for gratuity.

    Also, servers are paid around $2-3hr and restaurant profit margins are still terrible and have an extremely high failure rate. Basically, most restaurants can't afford to pay servers minimum wage and if a gratuity is factored into the bill your service will suck.

    "One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger

  • wlispon22's picture

    On your W-2, 8% of your food sales are included as a tip is assumed.

  • In reply to CHItizen
    cplpayne's picture

    CHItizen:
    fitnessmodel:

    And why do idiot waiters expect 15-20% tip no matter how large the bill is? If I order food that costs $1000, why should a waiter expect $200 for the same amount of work as if I had ordered a $5 sandwich?

    Because it's not the same amount of work? Unless you order a $1000 sandwich, a bill that comes out to $1000 probably had proportionally more work to do; a $1000 bill could conceivably come from a party of 10-20, whereas a cheaper bill (say, $100) probably had fewer people, and thus less work for the waiter.

    Unless you ordered a $700 bottle of wine..........but, then you can afford to pay a $200 tip

    "One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger

  • In reply to AndyLouis
    JDawg's picture

    AndyLouis:
    service IS better in countries / cultures where tipping is expected.

    Go to Japan

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  • WTFinance's picture

    I share the same frustration as OP. First, I've worked at 5 restaurants throughout high-school and university, so I understand what tipping means to waiters. However, the whole system of tipping is awkward. If I don't like the service, I don't even want to pay even a cent in tips. I don't even like it when someone gives me exceptional service because I don't like to be obligated in paying more tips than I need to. I just want my food! Don't get me wrong, I do tip but I go out less because of the added cost. But the struggle and confusion between customers and waiters is hurting the restaurant business. Restaurants should just eliminate tipping and jack up the cost for customers. If customers are going to pay anyways, then get rid of tipping system and remove the conflict. If waiters gives bad services, then just don't go to that restaurant and let the manager deal with the waiter's attitude.

  • Rupert Pupkin's picture

    Look, you're obviously one of those douchebags that likes to have a contrarian point of view about everything, and your friends probably think it makes you unique and interesting. The rest of us, adults who actually work for a living, know that you're full of shit and you're just cheap. The upside is that people like you don't make it anywhere near the offices that we work in because you are convinced that these opinions are acceptable to spew during an interview or lunch, and nobody else sees it as unique or interesting. They see it for what it is- a kid who is too immature or cheap to understand how the world really works, despite their own personal beliefs.

    You may want to rethink your position on tipping service industry workers, as you will more than likely spend the majority of your life being one of them.

  • In reply to Rupert Pupkin
    swagon's picture

    Rupert Pupkin:
    Look, you're obviously one of those douchebags that likes to have a contrarian point of view about everything, and your friends probably think it makes you unique and interesting. The rest of us, adults who actually work for a living, know that you're full of shit and you're just cheap. The upside is that people like you don't make it anywhere near the offices that we work in because you are convinced that these opinions are acceptable to spew during an interview or lunch, and nobody else sees it as unique or interesting. They see it for what it is- a kid who is too immature or cheap to understand how the world really works, despite their own personal beliefs.

    You may want to rethink your position on tipping service industry workers, as you will more than likely spend the majority of your life being one of them.

    yo dawg you need to tip this guy cause u just got served

  • In reply to Rupert Pupkin
    Abdel's picture

    Rupert Pupkin:
    Look, you're obviously one of those douchebags that likes to have a contrarian point of view about everything, and your friends probably think it makes you unique and interesting. The rest of us, adults who actually work for a living, know that you're full of shit and you're just cheap. The upside is that people like you don't make it anywhere near the offices that we work in because you are convinced that these opinions are acceptable to spew during an interview or lunch, and nobody else sees it as unique or interesting. They see it for what it is- a kid who is too immature or cheap to understand how the world really works, despite their own personal beliefs.

    You may want to rethink your position on tipping service industry workers, as you will more than likely spend the majority of your life being one of them.

    This was mean and stupid.

  • Abdel's picture

    ''The rest of us, adults who actually work for a living'' - Talking like he's carrying the world on his shoulders.

    Dude, you got suckered into paying hefty tuitions only to be able to look at excel spreadsheets 14 hours a day. You need to calm down and accept that not everyone has the same opinion as you when it comes to tipping.

    As far as I'm concern, teachnically, OP is correct. The person is getting PAID to serve people. Now if you think that the economic value of that action is not enough rewarded, then that's your problem.

  • historiclegend's picture

    He was talking about the OP, and let me assure you he is a douchbag

  • CanadianPositiveCarry's picture

    Did you just watch the reservoir dogs lol?

  • TNA's picture

    I'll just say this. If you make it a habit of not tipping, I wouldn't go back to the same place too many times lol.

  • In reply to TNA
    Abdel's picture

    TNA:
    I'll just say this. If you make it a habit of not tipping, I wouldn't go back to the same place too many times lol.

    uh uh lol

  • swagon's picture

    mike jones tippin u should be 2

  • AlphaGeneration's picture

    I think what the op is forgetting is that in the US, the price of the food/drink doesn't include tip, but in other countries where tipping isnt required, the same food/drink is grossed up for an implied tip to make up for the difference. We can switch to a no-tipping paradigm, but expect to pay 15-20% more.

  • In reply to AlphaGeneration
    Abdel's picture

    AlphaGeneration:
    I think what the op is forgetting is that in the US, the price of the food/drink doesn't include tip, but in other countries where tipping isnt required, the same food/drink is grossed up for an implied tip to make up for the difference. We can switch to a no-tipping paradigm, but expect to pay 15-20% more.

    So let me get this straight. With all the inflation that Ben ''Spaceship'' Bernanke is creating and all the taxes and regulations voted by these same employees that makes employment more costly (which make my food more expansive), on top of all of that, I have to pay another 20%?

    Are you f*cking insane?

  • historiclegend's picture

    Just think of it like this, if no one tipped, severely under qualified people would take these jobs and people worth more than minimum wage would look for work elsewhere. So you would then end up with shit service everywhere you went, and putting your order in at Ruth Chris to the illegal immigrant Pablo. Now do you really want that? Probably not. Stop being a cheap freeloader.

  • morespinach's picture

    It's a cultural thing. People serving in Japan don't make any more than their counterparts in the US. But they don't stand there expecting to be respected and recognized for the huge contribution of dishing out a tray.

    Problem is not that "this is how the overall economy works", problem is that it has become an expectation at a national scale. The logic that absence of tipping would reduce the quality of people working in this industry is flimsy at best.

    You only need to look at countries where tipping is not the norm. Often, the service is in fact better there.

  • In reply to historiclegend
    Abdel's picture

    historiclegend:
    Just think of it like this, if no one tipped, severely under qualified people would take these jobs and people worth more than minimum wage would look for work elsewhere. So you would then end up with shit service everywhere you went, and putting your order in at Ruth Chris to the illegal immigrant Pablo. Now do you really want that? Probably not. Stop being a cheap freeloader.

    First of all muchacho, if the service had to become super shitty, guess what would happen? FREE MARKET SOLUTION = robots or whatever. As far as I'm concern, I can go pick up the food and beer myself.

    Secondo my gringo, how am I a freeloader when I'm PAYING?

    Thirdo, go back to mexico

  • In reply to Abdel
    dest149's picture

    Abdel:
    As far as I'm concern, teachnically, OP is correct. The person is getting PAID to serve people. Now if you think that the economic value of that action is not enough rewarded, then that's your problem.

    Technically you and OP are both wrong. In this country, getting paid means the minimum wage (at least). Servers get paid below minimum wage, and therefore rely on you to fill the gap between what they are given by their employer and what they should actually be getting for providing their service (which for all the work they do should not be minimum wage anyways). You don't have a problem paying full price to buy clothes at a store, where the sales associates get payed on commissions and a wage, but you are still paying for their service. In this case you just pay a higher price for the clothes and the company pays the employees wage, but you are still paying them indirectly you just may not think about it because it's such a common place, but rest assured the cost is factored in there. But now because the middle man is being taken out (employer) and it lies on you to pay for a service you get and people call it a "tip" you suddenly have a problem with it. Stop being so cynical and do your part for society, people who work deserve to get paid accordingly. It's people with your logic who do all for themselves and then drive this country into the ground because they don't think things through.
  • historiclegend's picture

    Robots? Where are you from where they have robots that serve food?

    Yea I guess you're paying, but you're also stiffing the waitress too. Cool guy you are.

    I've been to lunch with people that don't tip, and I always make up the difference because of how embarrassed I would feel to leave without tipping properly. I never go out with them again either. So good luck in life bro with your attitude.

  • In reply to Abdel
    dest149's picture

    Abdel:
    historiclegend:
    Just think of it like this, if no one tipped, severely under qualified people would take these jobs and people worth more than minimum wage would look for work elsewhere. So you would then end up with shit service everywhere you went, and putting your order in at Ruth Chris to the illegal immigrant Pablo. Now do you really want that? Probably not. Stop being a cheap freeloader.

    First of all muchacho, if the service had to become super shitty, guess what would happen? FREE MARKET SOLUTION = robots or whatever. As far as I'm concern, I can go pick up the food and beer myself.

    Secondo my gringo, how am I a freeloader when I'm PAYING?

    Thirdo, go back to mexico

    Primero: Good luck getting a girl to go out with you by telling her "hey I am going to take you to this really nice restaurant, but uhh I'm kind of a cheap skate so you need to go and serve on yourself, if you get thirsty, or want to eat, or your order is messed up, or if the table is dirty, or anything you may need, your going to need to do it yourself, and/or work with the chef or manager to get it done, instead of sitting down with me and talking and relaxing so I can feed you some stupid line about how pretty your eyes are so I can get in your pants (or try to any ways)."

    Segundo: You are paying for the food, by not tipping you are not paying for the service. Therefore you are freeloading off of everyone else who IS paying for the service that you seem to think is only worth $2.50 (but yet I am sure you think YOU are worthy of a amazing bonus at whatever dead end job you are currently employed in.

    Tercero: You only make fun of yourself, and add to your f*cking ignorance because you don't know how to spell anything in Spanish, and by calling him a "Gringo" you are in fact acknowledging that he is not of Spanish descent, and so by telling him to go back to Mexico is completely counter intuitive.

    Cuarto: Just stop what you are doing, and slap yourself for being so ignorant.

  • In reply to dest149
    Abdel's picture

    dest149:

    Primero: Good luck getting a girl to go out with you by telling her "hey I am going to take you to this really nice restaurant, but uhh I'm kind of a cheap skate so you need to go and serve on yourself, if you get thirsty, or want to eat, or your order is messed up, or if the table is dirty, or anything you may need, your going to need to do it yourself, and/or work with the chef or manager to get it done, instead of sitting down with me and talking and relaxing so I can feed you some stupid line about how pretty your eyes are so I can get in your pants (or try to any ways)."

    What? Aren't men and women equal? Why do I need to pay for her?

    o and ''good'' come back to my ''free market solution'' point. haha

    dest149:

    Segundo: You are paying for the food, by not tipping you are not paying for the service. Therefore you are freeloading off of everyone else who IS paying for the service that you seem to think is only worth $2.50 (but yet I am sure you think YOU are worthy of a amazing bonus at whatever dead end job you are currently employed in.

    The price of the food that I'm paying for includes a: portion of the cost of the food + portion of the cost of the employee's salary.

    dest149:
    Tercero: You only make fun of yourself, and add to your f*cking ignorance because you don't know how to spell anything in Spanish, and by calling him a "Gringo" you are in fact acknowledging that he is not of Spanish descent, and so by telling him to go back to Mexico is completely counter intuitive.

    So, I'm ignorant because I don't speak that lame spanish?

    This was one of the lamest comeback on WSO history.

  • In reply to Abdel
    historiclegend's picture

    1. You pay for the girls because you're a gentleman, and if you don't you're a loser.

    2. Back to my previous post. At $8.00/hour you're not going to get decent service.

    3. You're a dipshit because you try to use a language that you don't know.

  • In reply to Abdel
    dest149's picture

    Abdel:
    dest149:

    Primero: Good luck getting a girl to go out with you by telling her "hey I am going to take you to this really nice restaurant, but uhh I'm kind of a cheap skate so you need to go and serve on yourself, if you get thirsty, or want to eat, or your order is messed up, or if the table is dirty, or anything you may need, your going to need to do it yourself, and/or work with the chef or manager to get it done, instead of sitting down with me and talking and relaxing so I can feed you some stupid line about how pretty your eyes are so I can get in your pants (or try to any ways)."

    What? Aren't men and women equal? Why do I need to pay for her?

    o and ''good'' come back to my ''free market solution'' point. haha

    dest149:

    Segundo: You are paying for the food, by not tipping you are not paying for the service. Therefore you are freeloading off of everyone else who IS paying for the service that you seem to think is only worth $2.50 (but yet I am sure you think YOU are worthy of a amazing bonus at whatever dead end job you are currently employed in.

    The price of the food that I'm paying for includes a: portion of the cost of the food + portion of the cost of the employee's salary.

    dest149:
    Tercero: You only make fun of yourself, and add to your f*cking ignorance because you don't know how to spell anything in Spanish, and by calling him a "Gringo" you are in fact acknowledging that he is not of Spanish descent, and so by telling him to go back to Mexico is completely counter intuitive.

    So, I'm ignorant because I don't speak that lame spanish?

    This was one of the lamest comeback on WSO history.


    Fine, don't pay for her. You can suck your own dick. (although even if you did pay for her, I am sure you would be left alone anyways)
    Servers do not receive a salary (another sign of your ignorance), they receive an hourly wage that is below minimum. And you yourself admit that it's only a portion, so it is up to you to cover the rest of it in the "tip", but I wouldn't expect an ignorant free loader like you to understand that.
    Not knowing Spanish is not ignorance, but trying to speak it and use it's dialect when you openly admit that you don't know how to use it, and on top of it try and use it in a derogatory sense, yes does show that you're ignorant.
    I could care less about what you think of my comeback. Because you are too stupid to realize that I am not giving you a comeback, but rather informing how stuff works. I can tell you haven't taken my advice and slapped yourself yet, because you just as dumb as you were when I last addressed you.
  • In reply to historiclegend
    Abdel's picture

    historiclegend:
    1. You pay for the girls because you're a gentleman, and if you don't you're a loser.

    2. Back to my previous post. At $8.00/hour you're not going to get decent service.

    3. You're a dipshit because you try to use a language that you don't know.

    1- We're not in the 1930's anymore. Today, females have economic powers equal to those of men.

    2- If the service is not decent = he'll go bankrupt or he'll replace them with robots or let customers go get their orders themselves.

    3- Don't be impolite. You're mother raised you better than this.

  • In reply to dest149
    Abdel's picture

    dest149:

    Fine, don't pay for her. You can suck your own dick. (although even if you did pay for her, I am sure you would be left alone anyways)

    o ok, so the females you go out with are prostitutes?
    I rather buy a rolex than pay for sex amigo. If you have to pay, chances are, you're the one not getting it. lol

    dest149:

    Servers do not receive a salary (another sign of your ignorance), they receive an hourly wage that is below minimum. And you yourself admit that it's only a portion, so it is up to you to cover the rest of it in the "tip", but I wouldn't expect an ignorant free loader like you to understand that.

    Well again, if the economic value of bringing a beer 5 feet away from my table was valued more than $2/hour (they are actually lucky to get a hourly wage when sometimes there are no clients), then they would get more than that. It is similar to an employee asking me to pay him $40k when he only brings in $30k. It is economically unfeasable.

    dest149:
    Not knowing Spanish is not ignorance, but trying to speak it and use it's dialect when you openly admit that you don't know how to use it, and on top of it try and use it in a derogatory sense, yes does show that you're ignorant.

    No, it shows that I couldn't care less about a useless/inefficient language.

    dest149:

    I could care less about what you think of my comeback. Because you are too stupid to realize that I am not giving you a comeback, but rather informing how stuff works. I can tell you haven't taken my advice and slapped yourself yet, because you just as dumb as you were when I last addressed you.

    Ok, I hurt your feelings. I'm sorry Dorothy. I really am.

  • In reply to Abdel
    historiclegend's picture

    Abdel:
    historiclegend:
    1. You pay for the girls because you're a gentleman, and if you don't you're a loser.

    2. Back to my previous post. At $8.00/hour you're not going to get decent service.

    3. You're a dipshit because you try to use a language that you don't know.

    1- We're not in the 1930's anymore. Today, females have economic power equal to men.

    2- If the service is not decent = he'll go bankrupt or he'll replace them with robots or let customers go get their orders themselves.

    3- Don't be impolite. You're mother raised you better than this.

    If you think you can score a 10/10 by not paying for them then you have got to be the man. And if you can, I will acknowledge your greatness. But if not, you should hold your standards a little higher, and not go after the trolls that are willing to accept this new gender equality.

    You don't understand basic economics. If the jobs don't pay well enough they will move on to other jobs. Which will mean shit service for you. I have no clue where you are getting the idea of robots from, but we are very far from that, and it would be cheaper to pay people anyhow.

    Actually she didn't. And calling you a dipshit would hardly be impolite compared to the real world, so grow up. You were the one making racist claims without even knowing my background. Wouldn't that constitute as more impolite than calling someone a dipshit? I think so.

  • In reply to historiclegend
    Abdel's picture

    historiclegend:

    If you think you can score a 10/10 by not paying for them then you have got to be the man. And if you can, I will acknowledge your greatness. But if not, you should hold your standards a little higher, and not go after the trolls that are willing to accept this new gender equality.

    Actually, by letting the female pay for her part, you show that you respect her as your equal. THAT is how a men should handel himself. Now if you think females are only a cum dump and are inferior, then pay for their stuff.

    historiclegend:

    You don't understand basic economics. If the jobs don't pay well enough they will move on to other jobs. Which will mean shit service for you. I have no clue where you are getting the idea of robots from, but we are very far from that, and it would be cheaper to pay people anyhow.

    Well, I actually do. A job salary reflects its economic value. Walking 5 feet to deposit a beer on a table is hardly worth $2/h. And it doesn't have to be robots. My point is, the market will come up with something. As it ALWAYS did.

    historiclegend:

    Actually she didn't. And calling you a dipshit would hardly be impolite compared to the real world, so grow up. You were the one making racist claims without even knowing my background. Wouldn't that constitute as more impolite than calling someone a dipshit? I think so.

    How am I racist? I'm probably the most pro-black, pro-mexican folk on WSO.

  • In reply to Abdel
    turtles's picture

    Abdel:
    historiclegend:

    If you think you can score a 10/10 by not paying for them then you have got to be the man. And if you can, I will acknowledge your greatness. But if not, you should hold your standards a little higher, and not go after the trolls that are willing to accept this new gender equality.

    Actually, by letting the female pay for her part, you show that you respect her as your equal. THAT is how a men should handel himself. Now if you think females are only a cum dump and are inferior, then pay for their stuff.

    historiclegend:

    You don't understand basic economics. If the jobs don't pay well enough they will move on to other jobs. Which will mean shit service for you. I have no clue where you are getting the idea of robots from, but we are very far from that, and it would be cheaper to pay people anyhow.

    Well, I actually do. A job salary reflects its economic value. Walking 5 feet to deposit a beer on a table is hardly worth $2/h. And it doesn't have to be robots. My point is, the market will come up with something. As it ALWAYS did.

    historiclegend:

    Actually she didn't. And calling you a dipshit would hardly be impolite compared to the real world, so grow up. You were the one making racist claims without even knowing my background. Wouldn't that constitute as more impolite than calling someone a dipshit? I think so.

    How am I racist? I'm probably the most pro-black, pro-mexican folk on WSO.


    Holy shit, dude, what kind of bug crawled up your ass today?? My god, people like you...
  • In reply to Abdel
    historiclegend's picture

    Saying go back to Mexico and using slang like gringo may be racist?

    And you obviously have never worked in a restaurant before. Waiters and waitresses do a lot more than bring you food. The guys who clean the table get tipped out by them, so you would have to clean your own table as stated above. And any refill would have to be gotten by yourself, and when you decide you want a side of bordelaise sauce with your filet you'll have to get that for yourself. You are making a horrible argument. You can't do all the things a waiter does. And if no one were to tip, why would qualified people go into that field? THEY WOULDN'T. Simple as that.

    When you go to a bar do you like looking at ugly as fuck bartenders? Probably not. The premium is paid in tips. That's why they take the job.

    And back to the women part, obviously you don't score with the more attractive part of the population, so no one cares what your opinion is anyways. (For those reading, always pay for your dates meal)

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    Abdel's picture

    historiclegend:

    why would qualified people go into that field?

    Wonder how qualified you need to be if a monkey can do your job?

    historiclegend:

    When you go to a bar do you like looking at ugly as fuck bartenders? Probably not. The premium is paid in tips. That's why they take the job.

    What? I go to a bar to get drunk. If I have to pay extra money only because that female organism happened to have a good facial structure, then I'd rather not see her and look at better looking females on google for free. Following your logic, if the female bartender is ugly, they should offer me a discount? lol

    historiclegend:

    And back to the women part, obviously you don't score with the more attractive part of the population, so no one cares what your opinion is anyways. (For those reading, always pay for your dates meal)

    Let me give you a 101 lesson here. Attractive females only make guys whom they consider suckers, pay for their things.

    You're talking/acting as if females were this mystic creatures. Dude, they are similar to dudes but with a pussy. Every morning, they wake up. take a shit and fart.

    Chill out

  • historiclegend's picture

    I'm just going to assume you're not from America and call it a night. You're fucking retarded.

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    Abdel's picture

    historiclegend:
    I'm just going to assume you're not from America and call it a night. You're fucking retarded.

    Yay, personal attacks as a final counter argument.

    Abdel: 1
    Mexicanos: 0

    Good night muchacho.

  • D M's picture

    Okay, a few things here:

    1) In the US, tipping is normal. In other countries where it isn't, the prices are higher. There is a generally accepted amount to pay the server to bring it to a roughly equivalent price, maybe a little higher or lower depending on the service.

    2) Servers work for their money, it's not like they're sitting on their asses all day. Do they need a BA or BS to do their job? No, and that's why most servers make around $8-$12/hr (though unlike IBD, they're not getting over 40 hours per week).

    3) If you don't think a server deserves a tip for bringing you food and/or drink, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING OUT. If you don't want to follow basic social conventions, why involve yourself in that part of society? Besides the fact that you'd look like a tool every time your friends/family/coworkers wanted to go out to eat.

    4) When you tip the server, you're also tipping the busboy, barback, line cooks, or doorman depending on the situation. This may vary from 0-40% of what you've tipped.

    5) If you're throwing down a tip on a $1,000 meal, there's most likely a reason. You're most likely in a fine dining establishment, where you're not only tipping the server to bring you your food and drink, but you're also tipping him for his/her knowledge of the food and drink being served to you.

    6) If you're in a bar ordering drinks, or anywhere ordering anything for that matter, you're really tipping the server because you're a lazy fuck that won't walk to get their food or learn how to prepare it.

    It's really pretty simple: if you don't want to tip then move to Europe, get off your lazy ass, or just don't tip. Don't tell me, despite the time I took to write this, I don't give a fuck about your tipping habits.

    PS- Remember, when the server you never tip at that shitty deli you eat at has a cut in his lip and spits in your food, resulting in you contracting Hep C:

    "You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." -IlliniProgrammer
    "Your grammar made me wish I'd been aborted." -happypantsmcgee

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