One space or two spaces after a period? Thoughts?

As the subject line asks.

The senior guys at my firm told me they have never used a single space after a period.

I have never ever been taught to use two spaces after a period.

After googling this, I find conflicting arguments everywhere.

So someone tell me, in banking, is it proper to use one space or two after a period?

Thanks for your time.

 
GoodBread:
It's one. Anyone who says otherwise is mentally deficient.
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I've got 3 Columbia Business School Grads here who say its 2 spaces.

I feel like adding an extra space after a period is going to be something that is a pain in the ass to get used to.

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Nobama88:
According to MLA format, I believe you are supposed to use two. I could give two shits about which you use, and I dont think most people would ever be able tell which you used. Yeeeeahh.

Lol... oh they'll know... got a markup back last week where a footnote on one of the appendix pages had an addtional space circled with shorthand to delete. A lot of banks may very, but I know that with my group we only use one space on footnotes, and we end every line with a period. However, in proper syntax you definitely use 2 spaces after a period. This has been taught since elementary school...

 
GoodBread:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_spacing

The two spaces are a relic from the typewriter and all published material now use single spacing after full stops. This applies to the World Wide Web as well.

Haha beat me to it, I was gonna say this.

Also, to the OP, why not tell your MD that this is the convention and why it was changed. Tell him that you are right, and he is wrong. (And have a cocky smirk while you do it...)

 
alexpasch:
GoodBread:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_spacing

The two spaces are a relic from the typewriter and all published material now use single spacing after full stops. This applies to the World Wide Web as well.

Haha beat me to it, I was gonna say this.

Also, to the OP, why not tell your MD that this is the convention and why it was changed. Tell him that you are right, and he is wrong. (And have a cocky smirk while you do it...)

Psh, just print out the wiki page, walk into his office, slam it on his desk, say "one space" and walk out. That's what a real BSD would do.

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Two spaces after a period is a relic of monospaced fonts on typewriters. Modern typographers agree that one space is correct, sufficient, and appropriate.

Slate did an entire article on this, which contains the following paragraph:

The problem with typewriters was that they used monospaced type—that is, every character occupied an equal amount of horizontal space. This bucked a long tradition of proportional typesetting, in which skinny characters (like I or 1) were given less space than fat ones (like W or M). Monospaced type gives you text that looks "loose" and uneven; there's a lot of white space between characters and words, so it's more difficult to spot the spaces between sentences immediately. Hence the adoption of the two-space rule—on a typewriter, an extra space after a sentence makes text easier to read. Here's the thing, though: Monospaced fonts went out in the 1970s. First electric typewriters and then computers began to offer people ways to create text using proportional fonts. Today nearly every font on your PC is proportional. (Courier is the one major exception.) Because we've all switched to modern fonts, adding two spaces after a period no longer enhances readability, typographers say. It diminishes it.

Argument over, 1 space unless you're typing on a typewriter. /thread

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one space, end of story. anybody who says different is straight up wrong.

if you don't believe me go to NYTimes.com and check how many spaces they use. it is one space

(if you think it is two spaces, that is likely because you were taught to type on a typewrite or learned how to type from someone who learned on a typewriter. )

 
gamenumbers:
(if you think it is two spaces, that is likely because you were taught to type on a typewrite or learned how to type from someone who learned on a typewriter. )
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It used to be 2 spaces, but apparently a lot of TEACHERS have been making the move to 1 space. It's personal preference, and the professor who told me to use one said "it was better for the environment". I guess if everybody uses one space, it adds up...

Anyways, the real reason is because people were taught double spacing after a period when using typewriters because they're monospaced. CMS and MLA both say one space.

When it comes down to it, if your MD says to put 2 spaces after a period, why the fuck are you questioning him/her? Just say, "yes sir, may I please have another." If your MD wants to know what you want another of, you say "whatever you want."

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The Phantom:
1, also it is much easier to get rid of accidental 2 spaces after periods in a 1-space paper. Ctrl-R " " to " ". Boom done. Good luck doing that vice-verse w/o wildcats.
No problem - Ctrl-R, replace ".(space)" with ".(space)(space) "

Done.

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CaptK:
The Phantom:
1, also it is much easier to get rid of accidental 2 spaces after periods in a 1-space paper. Ctrl-R " " to " ". Boom done. Good luck doing that vice-verse w/o wildcats.
No problem - Ctrl-R, replace ".(space)" with ".(space)(space) "

Done.

not sure if srs

So those sentences that already have ".(space)(space)" will be changed to ".(space)(space)(space)"

 

One space. Anything more is redundant in the modern word-processing world. Two disrupts readability in my opinion anyway. I learned to write with two, discovered the rule for one later, and after switching, it looks and feels more intuitive.

I am permanently behind on PMs, it's not personal.
 

Haha, best advice I think that can be given on this board: "just don't fuck up"

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I've always used one... it's easier and is more business-oriented in my opinion. It is indeed gramatically "correct" to use two spaces, but I really don't think that finance gives a damn what English majors think is right.

This reminds me of the classic comma argument, i.e. which of the following is right: 1. One, two and three 2. One, two, and three

An English major would choose #2 time and time again, but in business it is written as #1 a majority of the time. In banking, I would say that both #1 and 1 space after a period is practiced more often.

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No, the Oxford comma is an entirely different matter. The spacing thing is a matter of preference for modern or arcane formatting. The other is a matter of grammatical clarity. There's a big difference between "I am thankful to my parents, Meryl Streep and God" and "I am thankful to my parents, Meryl Streep, and God."

I am permanently behind on PMs, it's not personal.
 

This is not the same thing as the Oxford comma at all. Two spaces is a formatting relic, not a grammar issue. The Oxford comma is a grammar issue.

Here's a classic example that illustrates why the Oxford comma is the right way of doing things:

"Our firm specializes in capital raising, divestitures, and mergers and acquisitions." vs. "Our firm specializes in capital raising, divestitures and mergers and acquisitions."

The latter makes you look like an idiot.

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gamenumbers:
txjustin:
I've always been taught to use 2 and I always will until told otherwise.

I'm telling you otherwise :)

Seriously though, you are doing it wrong. It is an issue that can be resolved through a simple Google search, so I won't bother to justify my argument outside of what has already been posted above.

I meant by one of my superiors.

 

I actually had this conversation with a friend who writes for the school paper. She noticed that I always use two spaces and said that it was weird. She said that in professional writing you are told to use one space, but MLA says two spaces. Apparently nobody cares about MLA after you get out of college so who knows which is correct. I would just follow whatever seems to be most common in your office with the higher-ups.

 

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