Director promotion reflections
I recently got promoted to finance director at a F500 company at the age of 30. Getting this title has been a milestone goal for me- frankly, very early in my career I saw it as a peak career goal.
I want to share some reflections on WSO, considering I found this site while in college and have learned an enormous amount from it.
Sadly the CF forum is shadow banned (harder to find than the "fashion" forum for crying out loud) but I'm trying to make the post I wish I found as a college student- paying it forward, can't control if it gets read or not.
The Journey is a Series of Steps
I’ve spent my whole career in the finance departments of Fortune 500 companies. When I was an analyst fresh out of college, I saw directors as demi-gods. A few of my early career rotations were at satellite sites that didn’t even have people at the director level. Director was the highest level I interacted with or saw in the flesh, which meant that I could only dream about how much smarter the VPs must be. Director became the highest level I allowed myself to shoot for, out of fear I’d shoot too high and be disappointed. My impression previously was that you had to play your cards right, be groomed right out of college, and get noticed by the illuminati to advance.
Now suddenly I am here, much faster than I had expected. I’m the same guy I was a few weeks back as a manager, and a few years back as an analyst. I’ve gained experience along the way, but there was no re-birth moment when I suddenly became someone else. I feel like the same person I was in college, but with a few years of experience. The person you imagine yourself to be in some target role- well spoken, better dressed, confident, composed, etc- is something you have to build. No fairy godmother comes and gives you a dress and a carriage and takes you to the ball (for better and for worse!).
Getting here was a step-by-step process. As an analyst I got a few inbounds for SFA jobs. As an SFA I started getting inbounds to be a manager. As a manager I got director inbounds. Now as a director I’ve had a few recruiters reach out for VP level roles. I look back now and see that each of my prior promotions was the next logical step from the previous role. It makes me realize that the path forward will be more of the same. I now interact daily with VPs, SVPs, and the C-level. I realize they aren’t gods, and that I am more competent than some of them, and that with a number of years under my belt I will likely be in their ranks. On one hand this is encouraging; on the other hand it is less exciting than the mystical ascension I thought it would be.
The Pay is also a Series of Steps
The pay has taken me by surprise. I knew that director pay would be in the upper 200s. My previous comp was a touch below 200k. That ~75k bump was eye watering to me- an extra 5-7k in my pocket per month. One promo worth more than my entire first year salary. A huge jump from the 10-20k raises I got previously.
Naivete on my part. My all-in comp did jump by that much, but my base only increased ~15k. My bonus increased 10k. The rest came in stock comp, which means I have to climb the multi-year RSU vesting ladder before I see the full amount. I got a 30+ percentage headline raise, but my comp will just increase 10% a year until I get up the RSU hill.
After taxes, my paychecks increased $400. Meaningless to my lifestyle. Sure- I’ll get more money in bonus season.. but by that point I end up saving and investing it all. I knew most of the raise would be in stock comp- it just didn’t click for me that if my paychecks hardly change, I could only afford more house or a nicer car by putting more money down. I guess in the long run this is good- harder to be irrational when you have to put large amounts of money down rather than sign for a monthly payment.
A quick aside regarding inflation- when I started my career less than a decade ago, the lifestyle (house, really) that a director could afford is much nicer than what I can afford now. It feels like the reward is still out of reach- I played by the rules, worked hard, worked smart, and, like a mirage, that dream fades as I approach. I can only imagine how Gen Z is feeling.
The Prestige Paradox
I mentioned before that as an analyst, I saw directors as demi gods. The interesting thing is that by number of promotions, the distance between an analyst and a director is roughly the same as that between a director and the CFO.
So now I am a director, and yes- some of the analysts at my company think I am a badass. But my peer group has changed. Most of my interactions are with VPs, SVPs, and the C-level, and around them I feel like an analyst. The admiration of the analysts below me is no consolation. As you start climbing and your peer group changes, the next couple steps are just a few steps away and seem attainable, so you never feel satisfied with where you’ve gotten. The reality, though, is that there are always a few more steps- more prestige, more money.
Interestingly, I have heard my CEO make comments about some hedge fund guys he’s met with- how their money is “a different world” to him. And I am sure some of those guys feel like small beans to some old money families they know.. It never ends.
The Worry Paradox
I wish I wasn’t so worried earlier in my career about getting here. I was fixated on this goal and it took so much mental energy. People on WSO would say that the fact that I was on WSO and taking my career into my own hands set me a part and meant that I would get there. “Easy for you to say, when you’re already there!” I would think. They were right. But- the fact that I was so worried and fixated on the goal is what got me here in the first place. Don’t worry- you’ll get there. But if you don’t worry.. you won’t get there.
Some Advice
My biggest piece of advice is to follow the up-or-out mentality. Success is a combination of hard work and luck. You can control hard work, you can’t control luck. But you can throw volume at luck until something hits. I left my first company because I could see the writing on the wall that time was the currency for promotions, not talent. I left another company for the same reason. I found a company and a role (and got lucky with timing) where they are happy to give me more responsibility, and I’ve risen quickly. I have prior coworkers who never left and still think their next big promo is just around the corner. You have to take control- as you approach eligibility for the next role, you make your desires known. After you are eligible, you give your current employer a short clock to make it happen. No dice? You leave.
Look the part and act the part. Look at how the people you want to be act, talk, dress. As appropriate, emulate them. What people see is their reality- they need to be able to see you in the next role. Being well spoken, comfortable in front of crowds, well dressed (I’m talking clothes that look good on you, not just “expensive clothes”)- these are muscles that take building. Start now.
Don’t suck up to the people above you. They were in your shoes, once. They want people who make them feel comfortable and who feel comfortable around them. They want to know that you can carry yourself well if promoted. Now, don’t be an over-comfortable buffoon, but don’t treat these people like they walk on water. They fart and shit like the rest of us.
Your reflections are a goldmine for anyone navigating the corporate finance ladder, especially in F500 companies. Here's a breakdown of the key takeaways from your journey:
1. The Journey is Incremental
2. Compensation Realities
3. The Prestige and Worry Paradoxes
4. Actionable Advice
Your reflections encapsulate the realities of climbing the corporate ladder, blending practical advice with personal insights. This post is bound to resonate with many on WSO and beyond.
Sources: What lessons you learned the hard way so everyone else doesn't have to?, Is it difficult at all to become a Managing Director in IB?, Q&A: F500 Director of FP&A, Q&A: F500 Director of FP&A, Do many young I-Bankers pivot to F500 ladder? Seems like you sharks would dominate, yeah?
How did you think about the timelines for "up and out?" Was it 2-3 years per role/position?
Depends on the level. The higher you go, it is more acceptable to stay at a certain level for longer. Generally, you should be a FA for 2-3 years. This is very tight- 3 years is the absolute longest one should be an FA. I would actively start looking at the 1.5-2 year mark. SFA is similar- you should be an SFA for no more than 2-4 years. Anything more than that and you start to lose the aura of being "high potential". You should land at the manager level at the 5-7 year point.
Once you are a manager, timelines elongate. You should look to hit Director around 10-14 years total experience, and VP at 15-20 years.
You see the above year requirements in job postings- this is not an aggressive or aspirational timeline. These are the levels of experience that companies are expecting- you should expect no less from yourself, and look to jump if your current company is not conducive to your growth.
I'll note that it's not ideal to be jumping constantly- you want to look at a prospective company and get an idea of what their timelines look like. If I'm considering a SFA or manager job at an outside company, I'm looking at LinkedIn to see how old the average manager or director is. If they are all older, it is likely a slower moving company. If they are younger, that is a good sign.
I'll also say that you shouldn't be totally ruthless about your timeline- it's ok to give your current company an extra year if you like the people and think there is a credible timeline to get the next promo. Just don't let that get away from you, or to get strung along with the promise that the promo is juuuuust around the corner.
Congratulations on reaching this significant milestone. It serves as a wonderful reminder that professional development is a gradual process rather than a sudden, miraculous change.
Congrats on the milestone. I'm a Finance Manager (FP&A) but there is no Director/VP between me and the CFO, weird structure, and I actually interact with the CEO more than the CFO oddly enough. Hoping to play that hand to my advantage.
I'm 31, and by 35 at the latest I'd like to be a VP either here or elsewhere. CFO is the goal but honestly once I hit VP I think I'll be able to exhale for a couple of years.
I absolutely echo the peer group comment. It's funny how things change as you get older. The perspective of a 30yo with 7 years of experience is so different from a 23yo fresh out of undergrad. And I'm sure when I'm 40 I'll be saying the same thing about the 30 year old me.
How did you go about updating your long term plans once you reached the milestone? At a similar point in my own career and my VP is asking me to map out the future of our group...
Also seconding the point on inflation. I left PE for Corp Dev at the what feels like the worst possible time (comp wise) but hoping to own a house within the next few years. One extra PE bonus really would've helped in retrospect, but also means I don't have the job I currently do, so it's easy to blame yourself in hindsight.
This promo became evident and more or less inevitable a year or two before I got it, so it wasn't totally out of the blue. But to your point- it completely changed where I thought my trajectory was heading. Early in my career I thought director was a good goal, and just hoped I hit that level by 40 and then maybe VP if I'm lucky.
Now I've hit director as early as or earlier than many CFOs and CEOs- makes me realize that I have as good a shot as any for that level, so I've adjusted my long term plans to that goal. I've mentioned it to my leadership as well- phrased as a "long term goal I want to build my resume towards". They were very receptive to that, which is a huge confidence boost.
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