Hedge Fund Careers: Getting a Hedge Fund Job Out of Undergrad and Beyond

Josh Pupkin

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Josh Pupkin

Expertise: Private Equity | Investment Banking

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December 14, 2020

A career in the hedge fund industry is one of the most desirable careers in finance. Money is undoubtedly the greatest attraction to careers with hedge funds, with analysts making $150k and then some. Portfolio managers often make north of seven figures, which is why eventually running a fund is considered the optimal career trajectory for so many. 

Hedge Fund Lifestyle and Wages

The job rests significantly on individual performance, a simultaneously appealing and frightening facet of hedge funds. Hedge fund employees work an average of 50-70 hours a week, far less than their investment banking peers. However, everybody wants to be a rock star portfolio manager, but not everybody is equipped with the knowledge to get a hedge fund job in the first place.

Getting into Hedge Funds Out of College

Most hedge fund jobs are obtained once you’ve “paid your dues.” Paying your dues typically involves two years of investment banking, equity research, or sales and trading. Among those, what you choose to pursue will shape what type of fund you seek to pursue.

  • For example, if you want to join a global macro discretionary fund, you may be better off being a strategist or economist at an investment bank / big asset manager.
  • The investment banking route prepares you for event driven and long/short as does equity research.
  • If you want to be in a systematic hedge fund / CTA fund, you'll need to do some kind of programming research.
  • If you want to work for a credit fund, it may make sense to work for a distressed credit S&T desk or in a leverage finance group.

That being said, getting a start in investment banking will typically leave most doors open to pursuing a career in a hedge fund after graduation.

how to become a hedge fund analyst without experience?

While working in equity research or in investment banking is typically the clearest path to working at a hedge fund, it is not impossible to start working at a hedge fund right after undergrad. It will however, take a great deal of work to overcome to highly competitive nature of recruiting. Just like in investment banking, internships are absolutely critical in getting a hedge fund job. You can start searching for internships as soon as the summer after freshman year.  Steps to finding a HF position without experience:

  • Prepare to answer questions about why you want to work in the industry and learn how to answer industry technical questions by using the Wall Street Oasis Hedge Fund Interview Guide.
  • After going through the above two steps, NETWORKING IS KEY. You will not get a position at a hedge fund by simply dropping your resume. There will likely not even be a public resume drop for you to use. There are two methods of networking to get a hedge fund internship:
    • Connections of family and friends – this is probably the path of least resistance; however, most don’t have these connections that they can utilize
    • Cold calling and cold emailing – search alumni databases, corporate websites, and linkedins for phone numbers and emails. Emailing is typically considered to be more courteous in the modern era and it allows you to more easily understand who is willing to help you / speak with you. When calling, you may have to play phone tag before someone will ultimately tell you that they can’t help. Read more about the

The Cold Email Template and Attachments

The most critical aspect of your cold email will be the stock pitch you attach. You need to prove that you’re a capable investor if you want a chance at the internship. They’re considering including you on their team for three months, and you likely have little experience to demonstrate that you’d be a good choice over the other candidates. The stock pitch is what separates you - on initial contact - from the myriad of hungry students competing for a position. A quality stock pitch puts you miles ahead of your peers, and it will greatly increase the responses your email gets. The length of your stock pitch should be between five and eight pages. If you have a strong resume that demonstrates investing or finance experience – feel free to attach that as well when emailing. Preparing your email template is a simple task. You should include:

  • Year in School – If Applicable
  • Major
  • Your inquiry ("I would love to hear about your career and your experience at X fund. Would it be possible to arrange a short phone call to discuss your background and where you’re at today?")
  • Make sure to include your stock pitch and resume (optional but recommended) and mention it somewhere in your email. You can say something along the lines of, “"I apologize if this is too forward, but I've attached my resume and a stock pitch for your consideration.”

While not all professionals will read this detailed stock pitch, if your stock pitch is clear, coherent, and well-researched, then the professional will respect your initiative and see your value as a potential intern. A final rule of thumb is to not email more than one person at a given fund at a time. If you are blasting out emails that will be noticed and looked poorly upon.

Recruiting for Hedge Funds Jobs after Investment Banking

Above we have reviewed how to break into the hedge world bypassing the traditional paths to HFs that we discussed earlier – IE investment banking, equity research, and quantitative roles. Now we will review the process for getting into HFs coming out of an IB or ER role. So how do you get your foot in the door once you’ve “paid your dues?” User @WallStreetPlayboys" shared details on how that recruiting process works:

"WallStreetPlayboys"The best way to land a hedge fund interview is through networking, but... a large portion of the recruiting process is outsourced to headhunters, who primarily target bankers and research analysts in their searches (management consultants are also successful). The job responsibilities are not exactly the same, but the skill set and intelligence necessary to be a junior banker serve as a baseline for the kind of work that is expected of hedge fund personnel.

Preparing For Your Hedge Fund Interview Experience

Fortunately, hedge fund internship interviews aren’t incredibly technical. Besides some basic questions on the markets and investing, the interview will consist of behavioral and fit questions. Come prepared with a few short stories you can adapt to answer some of the more typical behavioral questions. If you are coming out of investment banking, you should be prepared to talk about the deals that you have listed on your resume. Learn how to answer behavioral interview questions with the < ahref =” https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/finance-interview-questions-and-answers”>FREE Finance Interview Guide.

Hedge Fund Interview Stock Pitch Preparation

The hedge fund interview is a nerve-inducing affair. For many, this is the position they’ve yearned for as early as high school. Combined with the fact that hedge fund recruiting is incredibly competitive, the average fund only hires five to six analysts a year, and it can seem like an overwhelming hurdle to jump. First, understand that you’ll likely never jump that hurdle unless you use some sort of hedge fund interview course. Most candidates will use some sort of guide to prep for the technical aspect of the interview, so those who don’t will get left in the dust. One particularly critical moment in the interview is the stock pitch. Here’s how you need to prepare for the stock pitch: If you utilize the WSO Hedge Fund Interview Course and take heed of the stock pitch advice above, you’ll be in good shape. Learn more about the stock pitch in the video below.

 

Talking About Your Personal Portfolio in the Interview

Start a personal trading account as early as possible. This will give you skin in the game and really make you follow the markets. It will also incentivize you to learn about different strategies that you can then talk about in interviews. Being able to explain concepts such as asset rotation strategies, closed end fund logics, etc. can be very impressive. One users suggested opening a trading account with $1k and beginning to invest it with your own ideas – if you lose money – then you can simply write it off on your taxes and consider it part of your education.

Ready to Start Preparing For Hedge Fund Interviews?

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Josh Pupkin is a member of WSO Editorial Board which helps ensure the accuracy of content across top articles on Wall Street Oasis. Josh has extensive experience private equity, business development, and investment banking This content was originally created by member DaveMCR and has evolved with the help of our hedge fund mentors.

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CFACandidateLevel1

Great story. Can you share a list of books/articles that you found useful when learning investing by yourself?

Thanks for the comment. My favorite books in no particular order:

The Intelligent Investor Common Stocks and Uncommon Profits The Art of Value Investing You Can Be A Stock Market Genius Dhandi Investor One Up On Wall Street The Manual of Ideas Valuation The Education of a Value Investor The Quality of Earnings Fooling Some of the People, All of the Time The Essays of Warren Buffett Hedge Fund Market Wizard

Value investor working in the hedge fund industry. Portfolio Manager, Analyst at a $380+ million Texas-based value investing HF. Former Research Consultant, Analyst at a NYC-Based deep value and special situations HF.
 

This is some solid stuff.

Lots of HFs are willing to talk to you if you are young, hungry and cheap (ie. free/nearly free). Some guys love the mentorship thing and/or the fact that you might be a free/cheap option, in exchange you work hard and learn a lot. In some ways it can be easier to get into than in a bank since you aren't always competing with resume drops at colleges. Lots of funds are thinly staffed/small. The key is to get a meeting (emails and phone calls "asking for 5 minutes of their time")...

I used to do Asia-Pacific PE (kind of like FoF). Now I do something else but happy to try and answer questions on that stuff.
 
Shambles

What resources did you use to learn investing , economic and finance fundamentals?

In the future , do you think that eventually more hedge funds will gain more willingness to hire undergrads on a FT basis ?

Any advice for a college student looking for HF internships?

Congrats,
Keep Grinding !

As far as resources for learning the fundamentals go, for me personally, first and foremost are books. Read and reread. For some of the best books I own, I've read them at least 5 or 6 times and still learn something new each time. I also learned a lot from old presentations given at the Value Investing Congress. They may be outdated, but can help you a great deal in your education process as you can pick the brains of the greatest. Lastly, the insights found from Top Ideas on Seeking Alpha and Manual of Ideas. Many of which are written by PMs. Manual of Ideas also has a brilliant youtube page.

On the topic of hedge funds willing to hire undergrads on a FT basis, maybe. Again, hedge funds don't typically hire undergrads due to a perceived lack of experience and HFs themselves not having the resources to train. But, this depends on the HF. In my first interview with the fund who I work for, I asked whether or not my status as an undergraduate will hurt me. His response was music to my ears, something along the lines of: "It won't hurt you, it won't help you. In the end, we care about what you can do." In other words, if an undergrad can demonstrate the ability to generate profitable ideas, I don't believe anything else will be an issue.

My advice for college students looking for an internship, dedicate the majority of your time on writing TWO compelling investment ideas, one on the long side and one on the short side. This is the easiest and best way to differentiate yourself from others.

Value investor working in the hedge fund industry. Portfolio Manager, Analyst at a $380+ million Texas-based value investing HF. Former Research Consultant, Analyst at a NYC-Based deep value and special situations HF.
 

Yeah. I don't want to take away from OP's excellent post or his accomplishment in breaking in out of undergrad, but $75M may be a little smaller than mid sized. It is a perfectly fine place to start though.

From a guy with a little more gray hair, I would add three questions that you want to try and answer before taking a job offer at a fund, especially if you have multiple offers:

-What is your AUM? -What is your Sharpe? -What does the flow of funds look like?

For a quant fund, I would also try and figure out:

-How much data do we really have to work with? -How is the trade execution? Tech infrastructure? -What is the culture like?

 

Dickfuld, I thought you were in the industry? Or are you fixed income only?

Your questions / comments are a bit surprising to me since the model is well known even among junior analysts.

Single PM, 0 leverage, 55-70% net long, and none are market neutral. And you want to compare this vs. your vanguard over a bull cycle? Hmm.....

Your comments pertain more to a SPO partners which is concentrated long-only. Oh and they (SPO) did beat your vanguard returns by quite a large margin over these past few bull market years.

I'd venture most Tiger cubs would too if they were long-only.

Macro funds are great. So are concentrated long/shorts. There are plenty of models that work for different investors. The point of posting is to provide unbiased information to the silent majority of browsers of WSO who try to get authentic information. Not satisfy your ego on which "strategy" is better.

I believe Illinois' views are entirely correct for his experiences, but my original point is just that a quant has no real value in a Tiger cub model.

Hope that helps.

 
  1. $75mm might be considered mid-sized in Ethiopia.
  2. Who are your firm's clients? What HF would pay for research from a 22yr old who's best credential is being a SeekingAlpha contributor? As far as I can tell, the only value of this is just so you can put "Director of Research" on the resume. You're basically a kid with an eBay store who calls himself an entrepreneur and puts "CEO and Founder" on his LinkedIn profile.
  3. Who is Tom Beevers and why should we care that you two are friends? Any other names you want to drop that don't matter?

Anyway, congrats or whatever.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.
 

Flake, to address your questions/comments

1.$75mm might be considered mid-sized in Ethiopia. -Okay, good to know

  1. Who are your firm's clients? -The HF? No idea. Above my pay grade dude. I'm just there to do research. My equity research firm? One hedge fund for whom I do research for and individual investors who pay me to teach them about value investing. I'm just a one man shop managing both the business side of running a LLC, as well as the underlying research I produce. I do have a tech intern that makes my life marginally easier tho.

  2. What HF would pay for research from a 22yr old who's best credential is being a SeekingAlpha contributor? As far as I can tell, the only value of this is just so you can put "Director of Research" on the resume. You're basically a kid with an eBay store who calls himself an entrepreneur and puts "CEO and Founder" on his LinkedIn profile. -A kid that can demonstrate the ability to add value through his research. I guarantee you no HF would have responded to just my resume and cover letter alone. The two investment ideas I submitted were the primary drivers of the responses I received. Also, at the HF I work at, to gauge my ability, the PMs assigned me a research report to do and I only got the job after impressing them with it. As far as me being a kid with an eBay store who calls himself an entrepreneur goes... hahaha, can't argue with that, but employers sure love entrepreneurial spirit!

  3. Who is Tom Beevers and why should we care that you two are friends? Any other names you want to drop that don't matter? -Tom is a former portfolio manager at Newton Investment Management, one of the largest asset managers in England. I mention Tom because he is my mentor and I owe him a lot of credit for the success I've had. The purpose of mentioning my relationship with Tom is merely to highlight the importance and value of finding a professional mentor willing to provide useful assistance and advice. As long as that individual can be a great mentor as Tom has for me, who cares about who he is?... some other names I want to drop that don't matter... I just wanna thank god...

Overall, I understand your criticism and that's the beauty of it. Yes, what HF would pay for research from a 22 year old who only posts ideas on Seeking Alpha? Virtually none, but through persistence and a good mentor, I was able to find one. The purpose of my post is to help inspire kids in the same position I was in. I understand an internship experience at an IB outweighs putting "Director of Research" on my resume and employers know that as well. But, I still put it on my resume to get them to ask about it so I can respond with answer that illustrates my passion for research, investing, as well as my entrepreneurial spirit.

Value investor working in the hedge fund industry. Portfolio Manager, Analyst at a $380+ million Texas-based value investing HF. Former Research Consultant, Analyst at a NYC-Based deep value and special situations HF.

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