HF Case Studies: Outsourced Work?
Do you think a lot of funds use "recruiting" as a way to get investment ideas and get free outsourced help (case studies) without really having a genuine intention of hiring?
Do you think a lot of funds use "recruiting" as a way to get investment ideas and get free outsourced help (case studies) without really having a genuine intention of hiring?
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yes, many vicious PM (usually the young ones) do exactly that, not sure if they can really make money by doing that
In my experience, no. Case studies are names we already know. Give zero credence to candidate work.
There is no shortage of idea generation or reports from the sell side, apart from internal screens.
In my experience, here are some signs for fake HF recruiting:
1) the process is taking too long: case study after case study, taking several months etc
2) HR is never involved: the PM did not let the receptionist know about the interview and let you enter in back-door/side-entrance not the front-entrance
3) your gut-feeling: you just feel that something is not right or the PM's behavior/tone looks strange, he/she does not seem to be interested in knowing you better
4) PM's requirement for the role is unreasonable: for example, require the candidate to have experience in multiple sectors, asset classes, markets etc
5) the interview time and date looks strange: Sunday afternoon
Yes. This happens all the time in the business. Or if you are at or were at a competitor/respected fund, everyone will talk to you under the guise of an "interview" when they are really trying to dig in to see what their competition is up to.
The key is to volunteer enough to sound legit, but not too much. At a certain point one can smile and be like "sure I can tell you that/do that, but it'll cost you. We're not in this business for free, right?"
Tangentially related, but I’ve heard that a good number of funds will always have an open analyst role just to source ideas.
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Confirmed - I mentioned this on another thread, but this is the exact situation that's panned out with my friend who's trying to make a jump to buy-side. Sometimes you'll see a posting that will ask for a cover letter, resume, and 1-2 page idea sent to some iteration of "[email protected]"; I'd venture to say that these are empty mailboxes that are simply set up to aggregate ideas. I tend to (still) believe that the best way to land roles in the HF space is to network, network, network.
There are 2-3 analyst postings on JOBS that pop up like clockwork every couple months with the same prompt asking for sample ideas to supplement a resume sent to a @gmail.com account. I guess you learn to avoid these eventually, there are legit jobs posted on JOBS with an @gmail.com account
Haven’t heard of this in my personal exp
The answer is: it depends. The above posters covered the subject matter, so here's some incremental info.
If you're applying for a junior position or you have 1-4 years of experience, unless you're at rentech, it's probably a legit job process. No one respects what juniors have to say about a stock, usually it's the worst part of the interview for the employer since we have to listen to you ramble on a stock we know 10x more about.
If you're in a more mid level to senior role and you're getting asked to do case studies on your own stock ideas or portfolio, then that's a red flag. Try to figure out how long a position has been online and if they are giving you an algo/stock that they would know more about, or you would know more about. If the latter, that's another red flag.
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