Shorting pump & dumps

Anyone out there have experience or have good reading material on shorting these smallcap frauds? Is it worth it, or will you get burned more often than not?

Ive recently had the pleasure of researching some old pump & dumps. I also spent my whole day today reading through hype material posted on VIC and seekingalpha, as well as some "research reports" that "investor relations consultants" publish.

On a similar note, I have identified what I think is soon to be a hyped stock. Volumes have spiked to the 100x-1000x level per day in the last 2 weeks, the Company has reported that they have hired a known IR consulting team, and the company recently did a massive reverse split immediately prior to spiking volumes. Should I have qualms riding this on the long side? Is it even legal?

 

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It's really difficult to short penny stocks.

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duffmt6:
It's really difficult to short penny stocks.
They arent penny stocks yet. The few that I am referring to are all trading above $5.

UNXL is at $30ish per share with a stratospheric market cap (think $200MM). What was LTM sales? $70,000. Yes, 70 THOUSAND dollars.

The Company has huge accumulated losses. Most of which are derived from the company being a vehicle to raise capital in the equity markets, then funnel that cash to management in the form of cash compensation. They have been doing this for years.

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duffmt6:
It's really difficult to short penny stocks.
They arent penny stocks yet. The few that I am referring to are all trading above $5.

UNXL is at $30ish per share with a stratospheric market cap (think $200MM). What was LTM sales? $70,000. Yes, 70 THOUSAND dollars.

The Company has huge accumulated losses. Most of which are derived from the company being a vehicle to raise capital in the equity markets, then funnel that cash to management in the form of cash compensation. They have been doing this for years.

In fairness, most pump and dumps are penny stocks. Some get pushed higher for a temporary period of time.

I've been short UNXL on a fake money account that I toy with to perfect some strategies. I would have gotten margin called in real life.

If I was you, I would buy puts instead of going short.

 

It was Keynes, actually. Ironically, per Wikipedia:

Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent. As quoted in When Genius Failed (2000) by Roger Lowenstein, p. 123; actually "Markets can remain irrational a lot longer than you and I can remain solvent." from A. Gary Shilling, Forbes (1993) v. 151, iss. 4, pg. 236.
 

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