The TAX CUT - How you plan to spent it

Next month many of us who work full time will see their paychecks get fatter due to the changes in federal tax rates. I'm sure some may contribute more to a Roth or Traditional IRA for example. Also, some may get bigger tax refunds for 2018 taxes and later years because of the doubling of the standard deduction. What are your plans starting in February?

 

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What tax cut?

If you are even marginally successful in California (or NY, CT, NJ, etc), you will be paying more in taxes starting in 2018 due to the cap of $10,000 for SALT.

I looked at my 2016 returns, and between property taxes and state income taxes, I was able to deduct $24,000. Now that is capped at $10,000 - so I will be losing out on $12,000 in deductions. Run that at the Fed rate of 25% - just increased my taxes by $3,000.

I still will itemize due to mortgage interest and charitable contributions which will push me above the increased standard deduction - but I am going to take a hit.

Also, I can no longer deduct interest from my HELOC (2nd D/T) - which I deducted about $2,300 this year. With Trump being such a R/E guy - I am not sure why he felt it necessary to really punish home owners. The lowering of the mortgage amount down to $750,000 wont do us in high R/E value states any favors either.

All in all, I don't blame Trump for doing what he did - and that is sticking it to the uber liberal blue states that staunchly voted against him for the presidency. Just sucks being a Trump fan and a conservative in California as I am collateral damage.

Whatever though. Seems like it gave the market some legs and if my bank is seeing huge expense savings from the corporate tax cut (after we work our way through the hit of unwinding our deferred tax asset) - maybe they will think to give me a bigger raise and bonus that they previously were going to do, so hopefully it all washes out.

 
gregt14:
Also, I can no longer deduct interest from my HELOC (2nd D/T) - which I deducted about $2,300 this year. With Trump being such a R/E guy - I am not sure why he felt it necessary to really punish home owners. The lowering of the mortgage amount down to $750,000 wont do us in high R/E value states any favors either.

Good. These were the most asinine tax deductions of all time. That you could deduct HELOC interest was a loophole in the tax law that was never closed 40 years ago. You used to be able to write off pretty much all interest paid on your taxes, including consumer interest (e.g. credit card interest, car loan interest). These HELOCs are just another form of consumer credit and there's absolutely no reason that it shouldn't be subject to the same laws as other consumer interest. The very fact that there was a cap ($100,000) on the size of the HELOC subject to tax deduction is in itself an admission by the law that HELOCs are just consumer loans in another form. This is the law finally correcting itself.

As far as the mortgage interest deduction, across the market of home buyers and owners, there is no "punishment." Housing prices are subject to supply and demand, which in itself is a function of supply of money. If there is less supply of money then there will be less demand for housing (i.e. a reduced willingness to pay a relatively higher number), which reduces the price point where supply equals demand. The mortgage interest deduction is just a subsidy that increases the cost of home acquisition. Finally, the mortgage interest deduction benefits, historically, have pretty much only gone to the upper middle class and upper classes since the standard deduction was higher than the interest deduction for most people around the country. In other words, a solid majority of homeowners didn't even benefit from the deduction.

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gregt14:
Also, I can no longer deduct interest from my HELOC (2nd D/T) - which I deducted about $2,300 this year. With Trump being such a R/E guy - I am not sure why he felt it necessary to really punish home owners. The lowering of the mortgage amount down to $750,000 wont do us in high R/E value states any favors either.

Good. These were the most asinine tax deductions of all time. That you could deduct HELOC interest was a loophole in the tax law that was never closed 40 years ago. You used to be able to write off pretty much all interest paid on your taxes, including consumer interest (e.g. credit card interest, car loan interest). These HELOCs are just another form of consumer credit and there's absolutely no reason that it shouldn't be subject to the same laws as other consumer interest. The very fact that there was a cap ($100,000) on the size of the HELOC subject to tax deduction is in itself an admission by the law that HELOCs are just consumer loans in another form. This is the law finally correcting itself.

As far as the mortgage interest deduction, across the market of home buyers and owners, there is no "punishment." Housing prices are subject to supply and demand, which in itself is a function of supply of money. If there is less supply of money then there will be less demand for housing (i.e. a reduced willingness to pay a relatively higher number), which reduces the price point where supply equals demand. The mortgage interest deduction is just a subsidy that increases the cost of home acquisition. Finally, the mortgage interest deduction benefits, historically, have pretty much only gone to the upper middle class and upper classes since the standard deduction was higher than the interest deduction for most people around the country. In other words, a solid majority of homeowners didn't even benefit from the deduction.

Trump left a whole lot more on the table for items that will continue to benefit middle and upper class. Really benefit the wealthiest of families. Removal of the estate death tax, not closing the loophole on the carry being treated as capital gains for the PE guys, etc etc.

He really chose to hammer on the middle to upper middle class in the coastal (blue) states with what he did instead of going after the ultra wealthy.

And as I said - people living in the Mid-West or something like that where home values are significantly lower than the coastal states of course arent going to have as much interest to deduct. Which is why I said earlier, he is punishing the blue coastal states because home values and thus associated mortgages and interest will be way higher than Iowa or Nebraska.

So I fully disagree with you that removing those specific deductions was the thing to do.

 
gregt14:
What tax cut?

If you are even marginally successful in California (or NY, CT, NJ, etc), you will be paying more in taxes starting in 2018 due to the cap of $10,000 for SALT.

I looked at my 2016 returns, and between property taxes and state income taxes, I was able to deduct $24,000. Now that is capped at $10,000 - so I will be losing out on $12,000 in deductions. Run that at the Fed rate of 25% - just increased my taxes by $3,000.

I still will itemize due to mortgage interest and charitable contributions which will push me above the increased standard deduction - but I am going to take a hit.

Also, I can no longer deduct interest from my HELOC (2nd D/T) - which I deducted about $2,300 this year. With Trump being such a R/E guy - I am not sure why he felt it necessary to really punish home owners. The lowering of the mortgage amount down to $750,000 wont do us in high R/E value states any favors either.

All in all, I don't blame Trump for doing what he did - and that is sticking it to the uber liberal blue states that staunchly voted against him for the presidency. Just sucks being a Trump fan and a conservative in California as I am collateral damage.

Whatever though. Seems like it gave the market some legs and if my bank is seeing huge expense savings from the corporate tax cut (after we work our way through the hit of unwinding our deferred tax asset) - maybe they will think to give me a bigger raise and bonus that they previously were going to do, so hopefully it all washes out.

It’s probably not as bad as you think. If you are a wage slave in NY, there’s a very high probability that you have been in AMT anyway where you couldn’t really deduct much anyway. Get your accountant to run the numbers for you.

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