IB chance VS Ops sure thing

Currently at a BB in Ops and been here for 2 years. There’s an internal program to move to IBD for which I’ve made great connections and think I have a high probability (but certainly no guarantee) of making it. Process won’t conclude for another 2 months. Meanwhile I’ve received an offer at an asset management firm in Ops at the associate level with a salary that would rival 1st and 2nd year IB analysts - for real, it’s kind of crazy how much they are offering.

No way to put the offer off that long so I need to decide.

What would you do?

 

a few things I forgot to mention last night.

yes there is internal mobility at AM as well. the firm i'm at are keen on it, I think they'd rather move peoples between positions and keep the persons business knowledge than lose them, AMs/Hedge funds are mostly lean. be open with the firm if you want to move to research or trading or something if you take it, at the interview stage say you want it in 1 or 2 years for instance. and a few of the other non-ops guys have top MBAs at my place, but the roles they're in, I've been told are possible to rotate in to from my role... albeit more junior. food for thought before getting up to your eyeballs in debt.

dont be fooled in to thinking the work is sexier in ibd or anywhere else btw. you get paid more but you have to work for it, which you pay for with your life. plugging numbers in to excel and making presentations look pretty isn't a million miles away from ops. the guys I know that have the golden exit ops in PE have hopeless social skills and are terrible with women which i'm guessing is due to the hours.

what's the % chance you'll get IBD? what is it you like about iBD by the way? thats the most important question to ask.

 
TommyGunn:
a few things I forgot to mention last night.

yes there is internal mobility at AM as well. the firm i'm at are keen on it, I think they'd rather move peoples between positions and keep the persons business knowledge than lose them, AMs/Hedge funds are mostly lean. be open with the firm if you want to move to research or trading or something if you take it, at the interview stage say you want it in 1 or 2 years for instance. and a few of the other non-ops guys have top MBAs at my place, but the roles they're in, I've been told are possible to rotate in to from my role... albeit more junior. food for thought before getting up to your eyeballs in debt.

what's the % chance you'll get IBD? what is it you like about iBD by the way? thats the most important question to ask.

This AM role did not seem keen on hiring someone looking to move internally. Mentioned they were looking for someone who loves Ops and wants to come in and be in this position for the foreseeable future. Nobody loves Ops but nonetheless I don’t see that as a realistic possibility.

I’ve talked to probably 8-10 analysts and associates plus the recruiter, most of which agree I have a great story and I’m a good fit for this program. But I’m still a realist - I estimate ~40-50% of getting in. Probably about as good as anyone in my position could hope for. My reasoning for wanting the move is 3 fold:

1) In general the mindset of complacency in Operations drives me nuts. I want to be around people who are competitive and striving for success and have big goals. There are some of those in Ops but they are the exception rather than the rule.

2) I want to work on things that are important. I have no expectation of coming in and winning over some new client that brings in $1bn, but it can be extremely hard to get excited about initiatives in Ops. The reality is I don’t really care how many cash breaks we have or what our risk associated with them is. But that’s 1/2 of Ops jobs right there.

3) Self Satisfaction and Money - not that I want to show the world, although that’s a nice perk, but I want to prove to myself that I am capable and I’m capable even from a non-traditional background. It would be a big personal win for me.

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