Rate my profile and help me get into the right BB
Hey monkeys, anyone down to rate my profile? I really want to get into a BB IBD/MBD position in London. I am considering my options as to work FT for the next year, accept RSM's MSc. Finance & Investments offer, and/or apply to Bocconi.
- 22 y.o. undergraduate finishing undergrad degree in economics/business economics & law minor at a top 50 (world) uni in Holland (non-target)
- currently interning at ING's HQ in Amsterdam (DCM division)
- completed 4 other internships (PE, real estate, sales ops, accounting)
- got selected for uni-only Morgan Stanley in-house day on Asset/Investment Management twice (as the only bachelor student from my uni), for whatever that's worth
- absolute shite of GPA (2:1 still theoretically manageable until graduation), legit extenuating circumstances but really just not good at taking tests
- GMAT 680, studied for a day since I was busy with exams/FT internship, possible to retake but not sure if really worth at this point
- ex semi-pro sportsman (national champ level, 2 different sports)
- ex academic debater (national finalist 2x, kind of a big thing back in my country)
- speak fluent English and several CEE languages, none too useful imho
- ok with Python, C++, Java, Bloomberg (though not really interested in growing in these areas)
Any feedback would be appreciated.
When do you graduate? Would you have the option to join ING upon graduation? I would think moving from the Amsterdam office to London won't be too big a deal after you've been there a year or two.
Hi, thanks for the reply.
I graduate my undergrad this summer, while the master is 1y long.
Honestly I think its a bit too early to say this with confidence, but I do have a good feeling about having the option to stay at ING, especially considering the fact that RSM as well as Utrecht (undergrad) are both targets for Dutch banks (especially RSM, which also has decent reputation in the City, from what I have heard). ING is also really open about rotating between departments, too, so if I managed to get a trainee position, I would have the freedom to move to different places (think London, Singapore, NYC, as well as trying M&A and LevFin (ultimate objective), or others), but I think that committing to ING in the long term will make me more likely to stay (think network, responsibility, etc), instead of breaking into a BB.
ATM I am a bit torn - to either stay in Holland, learn Dutch, and try moving to BB in London next year, or to work for a year and then try applying for a better master/BB in London (I have the option to join the PE firm I previously worked at, or take my chances at ING/other bank or PE in NL).
Also, do you think if I stayed at RSM and did an exchange (extra 0.5y, so 1.5y together) at Bocconi/HEC/SSE would add any weight to my application? I am a bit worried that coming from a Dutch uni will only give me decent chances at BB teams covering Benelux region.
RSM is a target and given your internships you should be able to get into London IBD.
I second this.
thank you for the responses! on this note, do you think doing an exchange at Bocconi (additional 0.5 years to the 1 year master) would bring any weight?
Why not work two years and try for top MBA in the U.S. it sounds like you have no problem breaking 700 in GMAT. Especially if you're looking at lev fin, BAML and JPM have the top teams. I'm sure you have no problem breaking in as an associate after B-school and haven done 2 years in DCM is definitely a plus.
Hi Bill, thanks for the reply.
I would defo hope to join a B-school in 4-5 years, but I think my low gpa will give me a disadvantage. Thats why I am also looking for a MSc. degree - I am quite confident that I could score decently, maybe even cum laude, so when the application time comes, I would be able to point to my Master GPA instead of Undergrad.
On the other hand, I am not sure what is valued more in the US - an extra year of work experience, or a decent master?
US absolutely values work experience more than non-MBA masters degrees.
I'm not a big fan of msf, I just feel like those programs are for people who can't get a job right after undergraduate and it seems like that isn't the case for you. I will say just to go ahead and apply as it is after two years of working. Maybe not m7 but I think there's a good chance at top 15 or 20.
I have noticed that EU countries not really interested in your academics results, so that must not be a problem for you to land a job, especially with internships
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