Wharton Full Ride vs Staying in PE
Curious to get opinions here. I received essentially a full ride to Wharton but was denied from H/S. I have the option to stay at my UMM PE firm but was looking forward to business school as a break. I really had my heart set on H/S but want to get thoughts on whether Wharton is worth it given the relative drop in distinction vs a H/S but also given a significant scholarship. Also curious on culture / exit opportunity differences. Background is a non-ivy but top 30 UG school, IB at GS/MS/JPM and now UMM PE. Would really appreciate any opinions of H/S/W grads and folks in PE now, thanks!
Was in a similar situation a couple years back - ivy undergrad, top bank, large fund, and went to W (though one of the smaller programs with slightly different admissions). Friends were pretty split between H and W. Outcomes were pretty identical - we all got large-cap offers, or activist funds or hedge funds as people wanted. I don't think any of us networked much for the offers either.
H is much better placement to anything in finance outside of PE and hedge funds though (so VC, LO, etc). I would also say there are a bevy of mid-market funds that generally only go to campus at H post-MBA, but W places pretty well if you reach out yourself.
Harvard is a bit more academic given the case method is objectively more interesting and attendance is mandatory (I think?). W is totally a free-for-all, you can be as academic or not academic as you'd like. W is more of a party / travel school IMO, but there were people at H (particularly PE guys) who went crazy too.
Do you have the option to stay on? If so, and you really want H/S, I would stay on and apply again next year. If not, I would go to W - the lateral market is dead for SAs pre-MBA.
Ultimately up to you. I would also say, that despite having a great pre-MBA background and top undergrad, when it came time to start looking for a lateral VP role the MBA network was what really stepped up. Going to H, S, or W is a big benefit to you as you navigate your career - odds say you're not making partner at your current fund, so if you do look to move to greener pastures, having a network to lean on is pivotal. A top 30 UG can't compare to HSW MBA in terms of providing that network. Just my 2c.
Go to Wharton. The snobbish take that only H or S is worth it is so misguided, arrogant and, lost in the sauce.
The point of the MBA is really:
All of these goals get furthered by Wharton and I would argue they also would get furthered by any m7 school. I think the reasoning people don’t go if they don’t get into S or H is because they are ashamed to admit they didn’t get in because they have deep imposter syndrome and that by going to a place that isn’t Harvard they think it affirms that they are a fraud. It really ignores a long term perspective and the personal and professional benefit of diverse experience and being more of a generalist. I can sort of comprehend not going if you had to pay, but frankly a full-ride to Wharton might be worth more than an H or S acceptance. Take that full-ride and enjoy a hell of an experience.
Look, on the personal front, meeting people and having free-time is incredibly important for your development. You’ve been grinding and your world is narrow. Doing an mba can allow you to 1) meet good friends or sig others that you can hang out with for life 2) allow you to explore things like real estate or public markets that you might be underexposed to relative to your current world. It might not matter now and in your current role, but at 50, having a broader finance base or connection to an academic institution is incredibly valuable. I know hedge fund guys that frequently converse with their b school professors or hire from b school PhD programs. I promise the phds at any m7 are smarter than Harvard MBA’s. Befriend those kids and see what you learn.
On the stability front, shit happens. If you go to Wharton and everyone on that campus or a professor thinks you are the smartest kid there, I promise the smartest kid at Wharton gets a better role than the average kid at Harvard. Again, same is true for all the m7. Being “the guy” at an m7 institution can go pretty far and I would argue closes few doors. The best can find a way to about any firm. Even if they only interview at one school—it’s business, people make exceptions for exceptional people.
I touched on the academic part, but reading the latest literature and having an in with PhD’s and professors is valuable on a long horizon. PE especially is incredibly unacademic, so it is worth getting this perspective.
Recognize for MBAs, gmat scores are the same for almost all m7’s, the people commonly just got less initial career traction or are doing their mba earlier. The top percent at all the schools are gunners and the average and lower 25th at all schools are a joke.
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Anyone thumbing their nose at Wharton is clueless. Thats about all I can say on that front.
Genuine question, where does the snobbish towards W come from?
What is it about H/S that’s made them be perceived to be an entirely different league?
Because wharton’s “specialty” is finance and it does ‘t even do that as well as H/S
If you look at when people are given a choice, the HBS and Stanford brands are chosen over others. Part of it is how long those programs have existed and part of it is riding off their undergrad perceptions.
Now because the above is true, they largely get their pick of the litter. This results in what I said above where some people think by going to neither, they effectively admit to everyone they are not the pick of the litter and that the signaling will harm their career.
Now the irony to that in my opinion is if you need to bank on the signaling of the degree to prove you are the pick of the litter, you are certainly not the pick of the litter. Go getters go where there is opportunity and prove themselves every day. They move if they aren’t getting utilized right and work relentlessly to achieve and learn. The negative stigma behind MBA’s is exactly against this point. Numerous highly successful business people have stated something along the lines of “MBA’s are all bullshitters who use their brand to get paid a lot, but contribute very little innovative problem solving or work ethic” It’s an extremely common trope in the business world. Few things are more common than an arrogant HBS person who has extreme overconfidence and lack of ability to back it up. Heck I might even argue because of their degree, they feel they don’t need to prove anything which is exactly the sort of person I don’t want to hire or have as a ceo of a company my firm invests in.
My experience hiring from MBA programs and watching my friends go through it:
Well, the first case is a person I know who had a crazy panic attack and ended up divorced and now running some women only vc firm that only invests in women founders and their platform has been consistently unsuccessful with crap returns.
The second is the current CEO of Microsoft right now heralded as probably the best CEO of the 2020’s. He went to booth. Adcoms clearly f*cked up by not letting him go wherever he wanted.
Even adcoms will admit, they run an imperfect process. Their criteria is largely test scores, race, job experience. There are loads of reasons why one of the above might not tilt your way for their decision, but in the long run you could outperform the schools average or even the top percentile of your class in a given year.
OP do a google search of alumni from Wharton and realize you can be one of those people rather than looking at the average of each school or some stat on the amount of founders from each or firms that visit. I can say wholeheartedly, 90% of the MBA’s I have interacted with are overconfident clowns. It’s true for every institution. A degree tells me they are at least moderately competent, but whether it’s HBS GSB or Kellogg, I’m still going to ask them questions and analyze what they have done in the past or today to determine if they are a fraud or legit. Go to Wharton and be legit and you will be able to get to wherever you want on a long enough time line and with enough ambition.
Again, look at the average gmat at the m7’s and realize people are equal intelligence at all of them, the difference is commonly the work experience. The first 5 years can tell a lot about someone’s future, but it isn’t everything. Loads of people pivot or shift because of how long a road and how much luck is involved in a career. A lot of successful people burn out and/or don’t take risk and a lot of people that seem middling end up with a chip on their shoulder and because they don’t have that ideal job they take a chance and it ends up better than that blue chip role.
There’s a Peter Theil quote that says, “every Rhodes scholar had a great future in their past” Often success prevents people from taking chances and the pursuit of pedigree ends up preventing truly exceptional outcomes.
Didn’t know MBA programs gave full rides? Is this a new thing? Merit based? Need based?
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HBS is strictly need based. Most other schools have a mix, though any 'full ride' is going to be skewed towards 'merit' and really trying to put that person in your program.
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