People who say abortion is murder, don't actually believe it
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So basically you don't believe yourself?
I do, but how do you explain to yourself that there are literally millions of babies being murdered in the US and the World and we're doing nothing about it?
It just boggles my mind how we just lay down and accept it as a part of life, we should do something. We can't wait on laws and politicians to stop something which we see as barbaric no?
People who say abortion is murder support chattel slavery. It's that easy.
I prioritize the life and rights and freedom of a living, adult, self-reliant human being than the right of a clump of cells to potentially become a human being one day.
Honestly your take is laced with racism if you’re trying to compare the “struggle” of a woman taking efforts to make sure her baby from a consensual sexual arrangement is healthy and alive to black slaves who were forcibly whipped and treated like animals their entire life time. You’re literally minimizing the struggles of black slaves and black America in your comment.
Something called intersectionality. It’s not racist at all to make that comparison. Controlling women’s bodies and forcing someone to be a slaves are based upon the belief that you don’t think they merit rights
Slavery doesn't have anything to do with race unless you are specifically tying it to American slavery. Even if you want to contextualize it that way, be my guest. You're welcome to read bigotry into anything you'd like.
And seeing as the logical endpoint of the pro life argument is that women should be pumped full of specific foods and nutrients and not allowed any bodily autonomy or risk prosecution, I don't think I'm too far off.
And I'm not minimizing the struggles of black America. Who the fuck do you think will be disproportionately impacted by all this if not poor black women in theocratic conservative states?
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It is the basic underpinning of pro-choice arguments. That a mother's life and rights are superior to the potential life and potential rights of a potential person.
And you've inadvertently touched on another cornerstone issue here. What is a human? At what point do you gain rights?
Sounds like Hitler to me.
Lmfao. Your position is literally that a woman is the property owner of another human being and can do with the individual as she likes. That’s much more akin to chattel slavery.
I mean... aside from the fact that a fetus isn't a human, that absolutely sums up my position. A fetus is a clump of cells, physically dependent on its host. Of course a woman can do what she wants with it, no less than she could get a mastectomy and get rid of a clump of cancerous cells
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If abortion is overwhelmingly popular then why would those supporters of abortion be against each state putting it on the ballot. I mean if its " what the majority wants" then there will be no issue carrying the vote.
Isn't this exactly how the U.S. was before the Civil War? There were a decent amount of people in the North who realized the horrors of slavery. They spoke out against it. Voted against it but otherwise went about their daily lives while realizing what was happening down South.
Of course we believe it’s murder. There are 15,000 regular murders, 40,000 traffic fatalities, and 100,000 drug overdose deaths in a given year yet we don’t revolt in a violent revolution. We decide political matters as peacefully as possible. Despite the Left’s myopic beliefs about America’s imperfect founding fathers, the Declaration of Independence provides valuable insight—“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”
In other words, most revolutions conclude with the revolutionaries worse off than before.
Yes, the very peaceful Jan 6th insurrection that caused cops to kill themselves. There’s no need to venerate the founding fathers, Jefferson held his own children as slaves.the language they used was amazing but it didn’t apply to the majority of people nor was it meant to
The only reason you believe what you believe today is because very imperfect people from the past thought up the ideas and then articulated them. Your own personal pride about how good of a person you are is so demonstrative of the evil of Leftism.
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Love this comment, because it's my exact thoughts on abortion, and really liberalism holistically. I have heard countless times from people my age (young 20's) that "I won't let a baby fuck up my life, I'd totally get an abortion" and that boils down, for me, that they refuse to accept the responsibilities of their direct actions, and will be ripping this child out of their vagina. Same argument goes for student loan debt (though I think the government is partially at fault here)... "I spent $XXXX to go out of state and study education, and now make $40,000 a year. I shouldn't be responsible for these loans and my decision to pay out of state tuition, just raise taxes on the rich and make them pay their fair share!" It's absolutely fucking mind-numbing to listen to these people bitch and moan about their own decisions, particularly because it's never their fault, it's either whites, conservatives, rich, insert any fucking group and it's their fault. I seriously have no idea how they fail to see their lack of accountability or hypocrisy on almost every issue (like Twitter currently, which is now as bad as Nazi Germany because a guy on the other side of the spectrum bought it). Ranting now, but TLDR, liberals refuse to hold themselves accountable for their very own actions and simultaneously refuse to allow any other opinion to be voiced other than theirs. Oh, how tolerant and accepting! (praying Drumpfy replies to this, with yet another garbage take where he will somehow mention Trump)
haha I said the same in my 20s. If I had a kid out of wedlock at that age would probably have flown to thailand and changed identity. Cowardly? You betcha, but not ready for that. Was sold a life of hedonism (18-28 is for sleeping around, late night bar sessions, hooking up, and time to build your career) and damnit that's what I wanted.
In hindsight it's very entitled, but that is the logic they (me) have/had
Regarding your first point, remember that it takes a man and a woman to make a baby. The man is also choosing to have sex that could result in an unplanned pregnancy by “bending over” and “rawdogging” a woman, in your own words. However, the burden of contraception usually falls on women - if there were male birth control that you could take, would you be willing take a pill everyday with potentially unfavorable side effects in order to do your part to prevent an unplanned pregnancy?However, let’s say an unplanned pregnancy still happens - pregnancy disproportionately directly impacts mothers compared to fathers (emphasis on direct). The woman, not the man, is responsible for carrying the baby for 9 months and going through labor to deliver the baby - in a country that ranks the lowest for maternal care and mortality among developed countries. In a country with no universal healthcare coverage, it costs $13k on average to deliver a baby naturally without insurance, $22k on average for a c-section without insurance ($6k with insurance). ~50% of women who get abortions are below the poverty line - in a country with no guaranteed maternity leave or subsidized childcare, these women are often forced to go back to work within days of delivering in order to keep food on the table, while they are still recovering and should be focused on bonding with their baby. 46% of women who get abortions are unmarried/single - outside of child support payments (which often fall short of the true costs/resources needed to raise a child), there is no way to force men to be accountable for the child too. I said it in a separate post and I will say it again - pro-life sounds incredibly hypocritical when the majority of politicians pushing to end abortion have no interest in supporting those lives once they’re outside the womb. As a woman myself, I don’t know if I personally could ever go through with an abortion - but I’m privileged to have the resources & support to successfully raise one if I needed to. However, I respect the private choice for a woman to make that decision for herself, especially when the woman making said decision doesn’t have those resources and is often set up to fail based on her socioeconomic background.
Sources: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/12/14/upshot/who-gets-abortion…
https://www.ajmc.com/view/us-ranks-worst-in-maternal-care-mortality-com…
https://www.valuepenguin.com/cost-childbirth-health-insurance
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You bring up good points that I have always stood by as far as there are clearly ways to avoid pregnancy and there are serious consequences if you don't. However, I can't wrap my head around the government telling people what they can and can't do with their bodies. There is no good comparison to the male body in this context but I wouldn't want them to say I can't do something to myself.
The way the OP phrased it is like saying the news will report "doctors in clinics nationwide arrested for being serial killers" "1,000 murders committed nationwide today in clinics all over." I just don't think it is that literal.
If I was in a situation where I could barely make ends meet, every kid in my neighborhood grows up in gangs selling drugs/involved in violence, there is no father or mother figure then why bring a kid into that situation? Just because you're "saving" a life? In this context, an abortion seems a prudent/responsible thing to do and I'm sure it is a tough decision.
I have always been pro-life through my background and how I was raised but I understand abortions in some scenarios. Having lived with my fiance, who has become way further left leaning, we debate this a lot and I think this is fair middle ground. I don't support abortions at its core but I can see why they make sense in certain scenarios. The main point regardless of arguing if it is murder or not, is do we want to set a precedent that the states/government can dictate what we can and can't do with our bodies? Also its not like when a woman goes to get an abortion it effects me (or you) in any way it is really their burden and decision to bear.
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I do not understand what you are trying to say? You say most people who say that do not believe and then do not seem to articulate your point well.
He is trying to reinforce the fetus/clump of cells = babies. Everything else is just drivel
Yeah no one is understanding me, I don't understand how we say that there's babies being murdered but then we don't do anything about it. Innocent babies being murdered is pretext enough for outright war no?
And the other retard is wrong, I also believe abortion is murder
Dude stop calling everyone a retard and have some decency. Its ok for people to agree to disagree take a damn breath. I know you get to hide behind your keyboard but I truly hope you aren't calling people retards in real life because they disagree with you.
Where is Drumpfy to weigh in?
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