Who is the American Putin?

All this talk about the war in Ukraine and how basically both the russian public and russian oligarchs are against it makes it so clear that Putin has absolute power in his country. That is no surprise but honestly one would imagine that to declare war one would need the support of either the people or the oligarchs. It seems Putin is a one-man state. If we look at other countries like China Xi probably has a similar status.

That got me thinking, who would be the Putin or Xi of the United States? I mean, I'm sure that there is not an actual Putin but in other words, who is the american with the most power? Who would be the guy that if he wanted war against a small nation, we would go to war against that small nation for no other reason than he wants that war. A simple answer may be the president but I don't think that's true. And it's not to shit on sleepy-Joe but in reality the president is pretty weak. Their influence is limited to their terms. Look at Obama nowadays. He is just some retiree living it up and has no power in the real world. Similarly Donald Trump is just making apps. 

So who is the actual guy with the most power in the United States? The American Putin, so to speak. 

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Mar 6, 2022 - 6:56am
sigmatic, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Not gonna go in technical on who exactly has the most power - because realistically nor I or the general public know or will ever know in their lifetimes.

Look at all politicians and figureheads in the US of A. Their actions, both in speech and politically, are that of puppets. Their actions and words are likely directed by people with secondary interests, whether that be monetary or for cultural divide, I'm not so sure. And what's important to take away from what I'm saying is that the scapegoats typically targeted by contrarian figures such as a banking family we all know, or perhaps Jews in power, are all practically innocent, and in reality those that hold 'the most power' are unseen for good reason.

You're right in that in Russia and China, the question of 'who is in power' is more accurately defined as leaders such as Putin and Xi control all other people with political influence. The reality is that America has been trying to build the image of their presidents up to be akin to the infamy of these two leaders, to little success.

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Mar 6, 2022 - 9:28am
PrivateTechquity 🚀GME+BBBY🚀, what's your opinion? Comment below:

No one. Putin and Xi are both Machiavellian figures who rose from the depths of communist party turmoil in each of their countries and proceeded to lead them to new heights by introducing "capitalism" in a way where the state still controls most of the ultimate result. They've both remained in power for decades and will kill any real challengers that rise up. There is no figure in American politics that is even remotely capable of being compared to either of them. 

They're obviously not "good" people, but you have to recognize their capableness and intelligence. Most politicians in the US get their job lacking both and just by saying the correct lines they're given by large donors. The smartest figures in American politics aren't the public facing ones who are elected, it's the forever bureaucrats who remain in power regardless of what team wins every 2-4 years and the donors who decide which politicians get backed.

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Mar 6, 2022 - 11:15am
Hölder, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I think this would be another 'easy' answer that I think is wrong. Objectively the people with the deepest pockets are Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos. Both of whom I'd consider incredibly weak. In the case of Elon it is obvious, despite his work clearly fitting the globalist 'green' agenda he gets shit on the media constantly. He clearly has no power outside of his money and despite being way richer there is clearly someone who can command 50 negative articles being printed about him in an hour. That 'someone' is clearly individually poorer but has so much more power and influence. Jeff Bezos has a similar profile. And I think that if someone like Putin wanted either of them assasinated, they would both suffer unfortunate accidents the next day and there would be 50 articles printed about how this was clearly an accident so no one should investigate further.

I just really wish we could know who those people are. The people who killed Epstein are probably the ones who are our 'Putin'. Epstein was literally a billionaire and he got executed like a low level gang member. It's like he was nothing in the hierarchy of real power. Really makes you think about how low we really are. Even with our relatively high incomes, if someone like that wanted us dead tomorrow we would be disappeared under mysterious circumstances.

Mar 6, 2022 - 11:15am
Sumooooo, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Interesting question - I think we can more or less equate lobbying power in the congress and senate as real power, since those branches write most of the laws in the US. Therefore, it appears that in the US no individual (unlike Russia and China) would hold the most power, but instead a list of corporations in every industry who has power to pull strings on the future of their respective industry and in a sense the country. By that idea, in every corporation, whoever the majority shareholder/ group of shareholders acting together will be the ones who hold the most power, and will likely be the ones who are truly driving the country/ controlling the country. That's my one minute answer, happy to hear what others think if I'm wrong.

Mar 6, 2022 - 11:15am
mayoineko, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Even Xi doesn't have the level of personal power that Putin has. We've never heard of Xi ordering assassinations because his political rivals are all within the CCP and Xi derives his legitimacy from the CCP. Assassinations will destroy the foundations of his power. Putin is literally a 1 man show at this point.

Mar 6, 2022 - 11:15am
Ozymandia, what's your opinion? Comment below:
Hölder

That got me thinking, who would be the Putin or Xi of the United States? I mean, I'm sure that there is not an actual Putin but in other words, who is the american with the most power? Who would be the guy that if he wanted war against a small nation, we would go to war against that small nation for no other reason than he wants that war. A simple answer may be the president but I don't think that's true.

So, the question is, who would be willing to wage war for the sake of their own ego, or to preserve their own hold on power, and would basically say to the international community and most of their domestic audience "fuck you" and make up a whole bunch of lies to justify their decision?  The answer is obviously Donald Trump. 

You need someone who craves personal power, who is willing to employ violence to get/preserve it, who doesn't care about tradition or law (e.g. is willing to forego a constitution to keep their hold on power), who cares little for other people's lives or welfare, has a loose relationship with the truth, and who could foreseeably convince  enough people to follow him/her into a military conflict.  The only person that fits that bill is Mr Trump.  A large minority of this country will believe literally anything he says.  He's already shown that he's willing to use violent rhetoric to gain power, and actual violence to maintain it.  He doesn't give two shits about tradition, institutions, legality, any of that - the world exists to enrich and aggrandize himself.

It's not too much to say that Mr Putin is exactly what Mr Trump wants to be.  He just isn't intelligent or ruthless enough.  The ridiculous displays of masculinity, the authoritarian approach to wielding power.... I'm not even sure why you asked the question, when the answer is so obvious.

Mar 6, 2022 - 11:15am
Sigma_King, what's your opinion? Comment below:

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