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No matter what way you cut it, cars are far more dangerous, 17x I think. Drunks and drug addicts in the subway are bad, but drunks and drug addicts in control of two tons of steel are worse.
Amen. The only difference is the NY Post is happy to spend a week talking about one person being stabbed on the subway while being silent about a dozen people die in totally "preventable" vehicle homicides.
> Drunks and drug addicts in the subway are bad, but drunks and drug addicts in control of two tons of steel are worse.
Spoken like someone that has never drove a car outside New York. This comment is the definition of "Limousine Liberalism", and why so many Americans hate New Yorkers.
Edit: spelling
40k+ annual car crash deaths, including 12k where alcohol was a factor. 7.3 road deaths per 1b passenger mile vs 0.4 for trains…feelings are fun, but sources are sexy
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/early-estimate-2021-traffic-fatalities
https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving
This question is specific to NY though, would have to look at local statistics. I'm completely guessing, but would imagine that fatal car crashers are less common in NYC given the slow-moving traffic.
I don’t see per mile data in NYC, but 64 traffic fatalities in the city through April with 274 total last year. 2k+ motorists injured and 8 killed in May alone. More if you include pedestrians, etc. Subway has single digit annual homicides, and basically all serious incidents make the news - not a chance anywhere near 2k injuries happen a month.
I would suspect with a majority of New Yorkers not owning cars, the per-mile data would skew even more heavily in favor of public transportation, but I admittedly don’t have backup there and would love to see the stats
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/02/nyregion/nyc-speeding-traffic-deaths.html
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/traffic_data/cityacc-en-us.pdf
I don't mean to sound like a libtard (I would think my comment history should say the opposite, and I feel like what I'm about to say is completely politically agnostic), but in general we do not design our cities well in the US, which leads to a lot of otherwise preventable deaths. Sprawl in places like Phoenix, Houston, etc. is unnatural and dangerous for people in a variety of ways (less walking leading to unhealthy lifestyles, increased car crashes and road rage, pollution, etc.), and I really hope that at least on this forum we can find a good medium for CRE to help develop better neighborhoods that are more robust. The question is obviously how to do that, since both the right and left have their own 'solutions' to this, but a minimum I think people need to start thinking slowly about how their neighborhoods are designed and whether they serve them to prevent a lot of otherwise deaths and other externalities.
There was a naked homeless guy running around the subway this past week. It is indeed bad
I ride the NYC subway ~10x a week total (3x a week in office, few other trips) but I don't ride subway before 7am or after 9pm. It's fine, just have to be careful/aware of your surroundings like you should be anywhere. There are crazy people for sure, but the alternative of a $30 Uber each way isn't really sustainable either.
As pointed out above, you're WAY more likely to be killed in a car accident than in some random incident on the subway - the latter is just more publicized because it's rare and scary
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The change that harm comes to you is statistically very small, like mentioned be aware of your surroundings.
if you are that afraid, just look at the statistics and/or follow some krav maga or systema clasess.
I did Krav maga for a while and they teach you how to use your surroundings and how to manouver in dangerous situations, even if attacked by mutlitiple assailant and stuff.
or just watch Bas Rutten's moves and learn haahah
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it almost seems like MOST of the crime, not all, is done outside of lower manhattan/midtown. May be wrong, but based on the news articles I see, I feel 100% safe.
Be alert: stand up against the wall and take a headphone out need be
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You're far more likely to be hurt or killed in a car than you are on the subway. As with everything else in life, a bare minimum of caution will cut your risk dramatically - I wouldn't fall asleep with cash sticking out of my pocket, or naked, on the subway or platform. I wouldn't antagonize other subway riders or those who seem to have a mental illness. Have a slight awareness of your surroundings. Do that and you'll be fine. And the same advice applies to pedestrians, cyclists, or drivers. The main difference is that if you're on a bicycle or in a car, you're not only at risk for your own failings, but those of others.
Pre-Covid, I never thought about it and was never worried about the safety of the subway (the Bronx was always iffy but usually never go there, unless is was for Yankee games). Now, I only ride to/from work and that's all I use it for. Uber or Taxi now. DeBlasio set this city back and it isn't improving.
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