Younger Dryas/Lost Ice Age Civilization/Atlantis
Been seeing a lot of reels, and in general social media talking about the pyramids, gobleki tepe, Baalbek, the stones in Easter Island. Archeologists, Geologists, and nutjobs like Graham Hancock and Matt La Croix have also been talking about it.
To summarize, what is increasingly being considered is that instead of civilization just "appearing 6000 yrs ago", in the near east, in the indus, in mesoamerica, these individuals are stating that there was once a lost civilization, during the last Ice Age, that had possibly mastered global seafearing, shipping, and stellar navigation. The Giza pyramids, with their precise astronomical projections, and mystery around actual build (it seriously is becoming less likely that they were built the way conventional archeologists state), pointing to magnetic north within a degree, having all sorts of just insane mathmatical sophistication (Pi incoporated, when we know the ancient egyptians of the dynasties, didn't have knowledge of pi), are leading people to think that the pyramids were built 14000+ years ago, when the sahara was humid, and not the desert wasteland it is today.
I find this fascinating, but have to admit that the nuclear ADHD and autism of some of the advocates does turn me off a bit.
The second part is the Younger Dryas, a catastrophe that happened I think 11,500 yrs ago. It was stated to have one caused global sea levels to rise dramatically, while also plunging the world into peak ice age temperatures. For water levels to rise slowly let alone rapidly as it did, ice on the sheets would need to melt, but then why would the temperature also freeze concurrenctly? We find black mat layers of mamoths, saber tooths, american camels fossils underneath, but almost no fossils over said black mat. It appears our North American megafauna died in a violent event, not slowly, not by being hunted by hunter gatherers, who didn't outnumber the mamoths in NA to begin with. Some like Randal Carlson are stating that a comet from the Torrid Meteor stream hit the Laurentian ice sheet in Canada, causing massive waterflow, while also creating massive dust clouds that plunged the earth into a freeze.
Theory being, whatever was there before, whatever we as humans were once, was ended by this cataclysm. There isn't much proof on the Ice Age civ/Atlantis side of the theory, but the younger dryas, the geological studies, seems to be increasingly considered as an actual possibility.
So where do we all stand? I honestly want this to be true, but not enough evidence exists (or any at all) for the first half. More than willing to consider the younger dryas impact theory however.
Comment away! Just be kind, we're all shooting the shit and pondering here. Academic rigor welcome, faith based arguments welcome as well. Is Humanity truly cyclical? Do we rise during interglacial periods, only to be destroyed during glacial periods? The oldest homo sapien fossils are now 300,000 yrs old. How many generations is that? Did we really operate like advanced animals with tools for the vast majority of our existence, or did we have a past we have long forgotten, one perhaps as grand as what we have in our current age today?
Jesus I don't even know where to start.
I'm glad you call them "individuals" because that's about the highest compliment any of them deserve. And civilization didn't "just appear," and the purported unlikelihood of it appearing simultaneously in many places falls apart essentially immediately when you apply the tried and true Conspiracy Busting Method - the tiniest bit of analysis and common sense.
Our dating techniques are not sophisticated enough to tell us down to the week and day and hour when something occurred. It feels insane to have to state that, but there you go. We're talking ranges of hundreds of years, generally. The only reason we have any certainty for a lot of ancient dating is because our pals the Babylonians and Sumerians were not only excellent bureaucrats and record keepers, but they were fucking top notch astronomers - I encourage you to read about high vs low chronology. All of which is to say, a development in Mesopotamia could easily be passed on to the Indus or Nile Valley within the space of a few decades, which we cannot distinguish with the techniques available to modern archaeology, anthropology, prosopography, or paleobotany (to name just a few methods).
Moreover, and this also should go without saying, civilization didn't just "appear." Civilization had been evolving and changing for a long time before, and it is only once it develops to the point where we can find traces of it in the material record that we see it (duh!). This feels obvious but is the kind of thing idiots like to gloss over when they concoct these kinds of conspiracy theories. Of course it feels like things spring out of nowhere, but that is simply because the passage of time has erased our ability to see the thousands of steps leading up to "civilization" or perhaps more appropriately "monumental architecture."
Says who? Fuck you. Seriously. Take this bullshit elsewhere. "Conventional archaeologists" are not simply people who head into the desert with a shovel. They are people with years and years of study and further years and years of training. Some asshole on YouTube who says "durrr no this isn't possible!" isn't a replacement for that expertise, and the world sucks to a large part because people like you think that whatever moron on the internet confirms your biases is somehow a more reputable expert than people who spend their whole lives mastering their field.
Get the fuck out of here. First off, the Egyptians absolutely understood the concept of Pi, even if they didn't have it dead on. The Rhind Mathematical Papyrus is a thing that exists, and while we have no concrete evidence that previous generations had known it, there is no reason to believe they didn't. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I am not an Egyptologist, but a simple google search showed that multiple experiments have been done, showing the absurdly simple process by which an ancient Egyptian could have determined true north.
You've simply asserted a bunch of fucking nonsense, followed it with "we know this!" and then moved on, as if any person with a grade school education was going to take your word for this.
I suppose if you amend this to "total morons on the internet seem to be increasingly considerING this as an actual possibility" then this could pass for an accurate statement. However, in the sense you meant it, you are wrong. There is no scholarly consensus this even could be a possibility. Every single item you name has been conclusively shown to be possible, or have a probable explanation. If I said "children are being sexually abused. The abuser is alive. Daemon145 is alive. Daemon145 is the abuser" that would be a more rational, logical chain of reasoning than the crap you're attempting to waste everyone's time with.
Here is a friendly suggestion. Disconnect your internet. Seriously. You are rotting your brain. Go pick up a book for once in your life, and read it.
Glad you found it interesting lol. Please steam, I'll enjoy every second of it. Report away too hahaha. Did you use a voice to text generator for this? I'm keeping this up because I want the lay of the land, from the academics, to the mentally ill. I actually think I'll get over 30 responses by you in the 72 hours. Let that blood pressure rise, I only wish I could see it in your face.
I expect vitriol, come, let it loose. WSOs weekly entertainment bot will be going overdrive today.
You can focus on the geological studies, more than happy to consider anything on that realm. Don't even mind the insults.
Don't mind him, he's just a resident condescending credentialism worshipper.
He outed himself as an actual Schizoid lol. Hoping he's here with rebuttals for all of us.
I mean, yes. I don't even see how this is a pejorative.
I respect hard work, education, intelligence, and expertise. I think the more time you spend mastering a discipline, the more weight your voice and opinion should carry. I think some idiot with a camera and the ability to upload to YouTube doesn't deserve the same respect as someone who has spent time in the field, in the library, in the classroom.
Would you let Daemon145 anesthetize you and perform surgery? Your scorn for "credentialism" is as paper thin and selfish as all your other highly politicized beliefs - the moment it touches on something you hold dear, I guarantee you'll be the first person screaming for help from an appropriately credentialed expert.
Dude got one-shotted by a hyperborea edit on his fyp.
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