If we use SAT scores as a proxy of intelligence why aren't schools like UFlorida, Georgia Tech, and etc being looked at targets the same way Berkeley, Michigan, UVA are? UVA has an average of 1410, Berkley 1430, Michigan 1460. Meanwhile, practically no one is recruiting at Georgia Tech, UCLA, and Florida which have averages of 1460, 1420, and 1390 respectively. Given that Georgia Tech, UCLA, and Florida have twice as many students as UVA and assuming a standard bell curve in a numerical count there would be more "smarter students" at those previously mentioned schools than at UVA. If banks are trying to get the smartest most hardworking students it seems that banks aren't diverting enough attention to state flagships outside the big three. (Full disclosure I'm a UVA student as you can tell by my post history)
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you guys forgot to mention that UVA, Mich, and Berkeley have strong MBA programs which also drives the alumni network. UF, GT and some of the other schools you mentioned do not have a strong graduate business school with a history of placing IB associates.
This. I would add that having a combined undergrad with a strong MBA program is more than just a branding issue. It's almost a type of value-creation play similar to what you have in finance (e.g. M&A) where you see synergies happen from combining.
For instance:
Professors- The school can share the same teachers, leveraging their resources by having them teach undergrads too. Very good to do if you have great professors there already.
Career Services - By sharing a career services center, the school can extend their reach. For instance, if the school has a good relationship with GS so that GS recruits their MBAs, they can easily have GS come to campus to recruit their undergrads too.
Alumni - Having gone to one of the mentioned schools (UVA, Mich, Berkeley) with both a BBA/MBA program, I can say the MBAs are usually quite open to helping the undergrads with anything career-related. Sure, the MBAs have stronger networks with other MBAs, but they're still helpful to undergrads. This even happens after graduation. Many of the B-school's alumni clubs are combined both MBA/undergrad where all alums help each other out.
Because Tech is a bunch of nerds and Florida is a bunch of Jean short wearing meth heads. Fuck both of them.
sincerely, a University of Georgia fan
Umm..because target schools HYPMSW have SAT ranges well above that..like 1510-1580..and in reality those who legitimately into those target on pure academics have SAT probably 1550 -1600..PLUS they have 4+GPA..Plus they often have like 10 plus AP creds..all 5s. Plus...must I go on? In all honesty is this question a joke?
Admissions aren't as clearcut anymore. I went to a public high school and kids with 4+ GPAs and 1550+ ended up at semitargets or good state schools. A few got into ivy+, but the white and asian guys (including me) had to settle for less in like 2/3 of cases.
As a white guy at hypsmw, you just weren't good enough bro, accept it, nothing wrong with that. Admissions are a crapshoot for Ivy+ in that there's no way to know where you'll get in, but if you're legit qualified on all levels & write well, you'll get into an Ivy/Duke/MIT/Stanford/Vandy/USC/UVA type university (anywhere that's an actual target or semitarget for banking) 100%
I guess litterally my entire mostly white middle-class public highschool of 400 kids in Mass, known for its public schools just wasn't good enough. We are sending 1 URM to an ivy and another to an ivy as an athlete (think broke every record). One of which was in the top 10. 9/10 students in the top 10 are going to the state flagship or a semi-target like USC/Vandy/UVA, which don't deserve to be listed with the other schools at all. Ivy-league admissions as a white/asian male coming from a public school are a much bigger crap-shoot than most non-privateschool/athlete/URM understand. An elite private school might send 40kids/year to ivies and 100/year when you include Duke/Uchicago/Stanford/MIT etc while any public school with double the class size would be lucky to send just one kid to one third of the schools listed. Sure, the private school kids might be better, but I'd bet my life that the top (30?) kids at my public highschool would do just as well academically at a private school if given the chance.
Throw in the fact that someone might be a little under-privileged (having to work alot, no money for tutors, bad technology available etc. and your chances likely become (as a white/asian male) what, like 1/500 to get into HYPSMW.
Edit: I'm really not salty about the way it is, I accept it and I plan on sending my kids to an elite private school when I'm older (god willing lol). I think that rich/successful parents should definitely be able to help their kids future as much as possible. I jacked off most of highschool and ended up at a semi-target because I had 99th percentile testing, a decent class rank and good essays (based on working up to 40hours/week in school). But this kind of "you just weren't good enough bro, accept it, nothing wrong with that " just makes you seem like an absolute asshole who doesn't realize the privilege he likely had. (I'm a trump supporter, so I reall cringed saying that last part but just stop being a fucking douche man and adding "nothing wrong with that" to make yourself seem like less of one really doesn't help.
I’m a current student at Georgia Tech and I would say that it boils down to the fact that a majority of the student body isn’t interested in IB as a career path, it is an engineering school after all. Of the students I do know that have put in the effort of networking with alum in the industry, as well as my own experience doing so, it’s not extremely difficult to break in as long as you’re personable and have a good academic record.