Navigating Offer: S&T FT vs SA
Hi - as in the title, I have a full time offer and summer internship offer in S&T from 2 big banks. The SA offer is with a bank with a slightly better reputation and converts full time offers that year (they don't have a graduate programme, so final years are eligible for the SA). Which should I take? There are some things to note:
I interned at the FT offer firm The FT offer is rotational, the SA and FT conversion is not but they claim to put in high effort in getting you where you want (80% get their first choice) Conversion rates aren't clear to me but they do convert the vast majority so I am tempted to say 70-80% The desks I am interested in are macro trading related
I am inclined to say the prestige of the SA is better and I think it is risky but could pay off well but I would like to hear people's views to know I am not being stupid if I am potentially risking no offer in a very competitive job environment.
I also just want to note I have considered different strategies too like reaching out to the recruiter of my SA offer and just being honest and asking for a FT conversion guarantee even though I know it would never work
Congrats on citi and Jp !
Hey, do you know JPM OC LDN conversion rates?
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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here are some key points to consider when deciding between a full-time (FT) offer and a summer analyst (SA) offer in Sales & Trading (S&T):
Key Considerations:
Previous Internship Experience:
Rotational vs. Non-Rotational:
Conversion Rates:
Prestige and Reputation:
Interest in Specific Desks:
Pros and Cons:
Full-Time Offer:
Pros: - Guaranteed full-time position. - Rotational program offers broader exposure. - Familiarity with the firm and its culture.
Cons: - May not be placed in your preferred desk immediately.
Summer Analyst Offer:
Pros: - Potentially better reputation and prestige. - High effort in placing you in your desired desk. - Opportunity to prove yourself and secure a full-time offer.
Cons: - Risk of not converting to a full-time offer in a competitive job environment.
Conclusion:
Given the competitive nature of the job market and the high conversion rates at both firms, the decision hinges on your risk tolerance and career goals. If you value job security and are comfortable with the rotational aspect, the FT offer might be the safer choice. However, if you are confident in your abilities and the prestige of the SA offer aligns with your long-term goals, taking the SA offer could potentially pay off well.
For more detailed advice, you might want to check out the thread on "Getting an S&T Return Offer - A Survival Guide for Future Interns" on Wall Street Oasis: https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/trading/getting-an-st-return-offe…</a">Getting an S&T Return Offer - A Survival Guide for Future Interns.
Sources: Advice for summer and return offer rate?, Getting an S&T Return Offer - A Survival Guide for Future Interns, Getting an S&T Return Offer - A Survival Guide for Future Interns, Converting an S&T Internship, Full-Time Conversion Rates Summer 2022
Similar situation here, currently doing an off-cycle in a bank and got the return offer. Got into a SA in a bb and tried to leverage my FT offer to get immediately converted into grad. But HR said that they don't have headcount and can't promise conversion rate for SA.
Where is your head currently at? Would you take the risk?
What are you thinking at the moment? Are you taking the SA or full time?
Having spoken with people, I decided to go for the SA and just try to work hard to get to where I want to be
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