BofA vs. Citi S&T SA vs. MS FI vs. DB S&T

Which looks better in terms of training, desks, exit opps, culture, blah blah...?
I landed offers from both and am curious which I should take. Thanks.

EDIT: which of the above and MS FI and DB S&T should I take?

 
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The decision is between DB and Citi. I think Citi is the top choice since the program is rotational and they are probably stronger in a greater number of groups, although DB is known to allow it's traders to take a lot of directional risks. DB is also a solid choice and no one can fault you for picking it over Citi. I think the question comes down to who you connected with more.

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futuretrader1999:
was i crazy to take Jefferies FI in ny over Citi s+t in london?

Do you want to work in UK or NY? That will answer your question

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee WSO is not your personal search function.
 

opinion

DB over Citi (top fx house, top us rates house last year north america for flow according to greenwich associates), not prop citi if they give you a chance to sit on prop (would ask hr for this, tell about your offers), heard they were building out us rates mortgage/govt prop team again ms ficc is rebuilding after gorman burned, still meshing (look at weak earnings) ... i think of them for commodities, em and equities, bofaml is always good in rates but also rebuilding (not yet what Merrill once was in my opinion)

you have to decide if you like each firms full time structure, which are very different according to friends (db - lots of training, 3 months, in uk, desk rotating for several months but then permanent), citi (two one year rotations, no exceptions, then must get hired), ms ficc - 6 wks training in ny and direct to specific desk but get responsibility quickly, bofaml - direct to desk I believe, a little more rough and tumble

 
vlition:
opinion

DB over Citi (top fx house, top us rates house last year north america for flow according to greenwich associates), not prop citi if they give you a chance to sit on prop (would ask hr for this, tell about your offers), heard they were building out us rates mortgage/govt prop team again ms ficc is rebuilding after gorman burned, still meshing (look at weak earnings) ... i think of them for commodities, em and equities, bofaml is always good in rates but also rebuilding (not yet what Merrill once was in my opinion)

you have to decide if you like each firms full time structure, which are very different according to friends (db - lots of training, 3 months, in uk, desk rotating for several months but then permanent), citi (two one year rotations, no exceptions, then must get hired), ms ficc - 6 wks training in ny and direct to specific desk but get responsibility quickly, bofaml - direct to desk I believe, a little more rough and tumble

Not sure if this is relevant but Citi in London S&T grad programme is actually a couple of months training and then 5 one month rotations where you are then picked for the desk you impressed the most/fitted best.

 
vlition:
opinion

DB over Citi (top fx house, top us rates house last year north america for flow according to greenwich associates), not prop citi if they give you a chance to sit on prop (would ask hr for this, tell about your offers), heard they were building out us rates mortgage/govt prop team again ms ficc is rebuilding after gorman burned, still meshing (look at weak earnings) ... i think of them for commodities, em and equities, bofaml is always good in rates but also rebuilding (not yet what Merrill once was in my opinion)

you have to decide if you like each firms full time structure, which are very different according to friends (db - lots of training, 3 months, in uk, desk rotating for several months but then permanent), citi (two one year rotations, no exceptions, then must get hired), ms ficc - 6 wks training in ny and direct to specific desk but get responsibility quickly, bofaml - direct to desk I believe, a little more rough and tumble

Sorry to double quote you. When you say Citi is building out us rates mortgage/govt prop team again are you saying that they are building out a new separate desk or are adding prop traders to the govvie/mortgage team? Is it normally arranged that the prop traders sit next to the flow traders or are they separate?

 

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