I've been reading this winter break and am coming closer and closer to believing that there is no afterlife and that I'm just a complex organism whose sole purpose is to pass down his genes. (feelsbadman.jpg). After realizing this, I think that when I'm about to die, 80-90 years from now (assuming i keep this healthy lifestyle), I'm going to cryogenically freeze myself. I want to be reawaken when human immortality is possible. Think about it, you'll be one of the few people (millenias from now) who can say that you were born in the 1900s. Be pullin mad bishes.
cliffs:
- Coming to belief that there is no afterlife.
- We're all just complex organisms used to pass down genes
- Going to cryogenically freeze self when 100 years old
- Going to be reawaken when immortality is possible
- Tell future bishes I was born in the 1900s.
- Ballin'
I think you will be able to download your brain before you can re-animate a frozen corpse. Not to mention your body will be old as shit when they try and thaw you out.
From what I've read, the idea is that a clone would be made of you and then your brain (from the actual frozen you) would be placed into the new body. Thus, you would be young, rejuvenated, and alive again. I am no expert, but it isn't incredibly difficult to believe that this could happen some day. Of course, an afterlife and this seem to be mutually exclusive.
Can't we put my brain in someone else's body? Not that I'm ugly, but I'd rather look like George Clooney and have a 14 inch penis.
sit down and think about this for one second. a clone would be made of my BRAIN. first and foremost, i'd just like to say you can get the genetics required to make the brain that has the same composition as the first one, but it'll never be the same; every single experience that you have experienced has changed/shaped/sculpt your mind in a way that makes it just as unique as a fingerprint. no way can a cloned brain be just as exact as yours right now. lets just say that even if it can, it'd be another you...not you. you are forever stuck inside this brain.
2nd of all, people think it's as simple as freezing something and letting it chill for 200-300 years. that's not how it works. when you freeze anything living, the ice particles burst the cell membranes. furthermore, when you freeze yourself, your neurons will be starved of oxygen and die off. lets just say that even if you found a way to give oxygen to the neurons for centuries (you won't), they'll die from the natural 'aging' process because it gets oxidated from the exposure; hence why when people become older they also become slower, their myelin sheath will have deteriorated and so will the connections between whatever is left. 200 years from now, they'll unfreeze your ass and it's basically a 'look back in time' like how we viewed the wooly mammoths in those ice blocks.
there ARE ways of freezing shit without bursting the membranes, but i forgot the exact processes. we used to do experiments with HeLa cancerous cells that were frozen in liquid nitrogen and we brought that shit back to life and replicated a few generations with it...but i don't think you can do that with humans.
cliffs:
you can't freeze yourself and wake back up like Fry from futurama.
if you do freeze yourself, people from the future will melt your dead ass out to poke at you with sticks. true story.
point is...you can't live forever and you will never see the day that that will happen.
Live life right now to the fullest, because you're going to die just like your ancestors.
I wouldn't want to live forever. If I had the ability, I'd probably slit my wrists when I was around the 150-200 year age range. Now, would I like to wake up in a couple of hundred years and see how the world has changed? Fuck yea I would!
Oh, interesting article that goes along with this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2011425/The-person-reach…
Yes. But I'd rather do it sooner, or not be awoken until they can reverse the aging process. I don't want to be stuck at 80 forever.
Watch that in it's entirety. You can glean some insight into your freezing question.
Always nice to see some fellow Singularitarians ;)
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Awesome video.
I am also a believer in singularity, and I think we will reach it within our lifetime.
I also think a lot of people are unimaginative when it comes to realizing the power of computing and the internet. Within the next ten to twenty years every single person, object, and surface an individual interacts with will have some form of internet connection, with computers in centralized locations running millions of calculations to help improve whatever it is you are doing. In a way, the physical world becomes an enormous computing device, of which humans are a part.
Couple this with faster processing speeds, and computers which invent faster computers, and we reach a point where our imaginations cannot even fathom the things we will be able to do.
A few comments and a few possibly "out-there" thoughts:
--I think that, when you really break it down, the fear of non-existence is sort of silly. Let's say that this is it, you die, and then you're gone. Poof. Who cares? You won't know you don't exist anymore because you don't. When you go to sleep at night, you lose consciousness, you lose awareness, and if you were to go to sleep and not wake up you wouldn't even know it.
--Hitchens put it well when he said that the fear of death is akin to leaving a really fun party knowing that it's still going on without you. That's what's shitty about it.
--I struggle with the idea that we'll ever be able to download our brain / consciousness into an AI or another body or something like that. Mainly because I'm not convinced that our consciousness is simply an emergent phenomenon or something that can be bottled up. For all we know consciousness is akin to a software program with our brain acting as a computer running it.
interdasting
Again, I left the the biotech/medical field a while back when I decided to go after finance. I am not up to date with the medical advances. I studied it from 2007-2009...so things are most likely different now. Instead of reading up on the latest science and technological advances, i read about what's happening in the market.
If you guys like shit about immortality, read up on caloric deficits and calorie restriction that has been tested on animals; it prolongs lifespan of creatures or something like that, but the downside is they lose all their libido. this was one of the things i kept up with before i stopped giving a shit.
let me go look it up, it was realllllly interesting.
edit: this was one of the videos I watched 2 years ago.
There was also a scientific article somewhere about this but i can't be fucked to go find it.
There has to be an economic reason for creating the technology to freeze people. The technology won't just create itself because a few eccentric, rich weirdos want to freeze themselves. A researcher/entrepreneur has to first perceive the technology as doable and then has to see an economic return for the investment. And with the way NASA's budget is going I wouldn't assume we'll get public sector research any time soon.
Also keep in mind the population issue. Why exactly would future humans want to re-populate the planet with old past humans when they'll probably be struggling with population issues? Not to mention that the person being reanimated won't have any money with which to pay for reanimation unless somehow he sets up a trust that lasts for several hundred years, although it will almost certainly get broken through litigation.
deep space exploration...
not necessarily subsidized by NASA.
Who would want to live forever??
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