Duke MMS

If you consider consulting/management as your first choice: 2,1,3,4,8,6,7,11,5,9,10 If you consider finance as your first choice: 4,8,6,2,1,3,7,11,5,9,10

Good list brah.

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I believe the Duke MMS is a fine program that places well. It helps students without business undergrads place into good entry level positions. I bashed the program because I was jealous of Duke.

I went to Washington University in St Louis which ranks #36 in US business schools while Duke Ranks Top 15. I was rejected from Duke and other top schools so I was angry that I didn't get in.

Please Disregard my Outdated Jealous Posts Below:

Duke's MMS and MQM take internationals (read: no work permit=harder to get jobs) with no work experience and place them into decent corp.fin. and cor.dev. jobs. Vanderbilt's MSF takes Americans with previous experience in IB boutiques and places them into another IB boutiques and sometimes into MM IB. From this perspective, the placement in Vanderbilt's MSF is better (if you value IB a lot, which is probably a right approach), but the career boost is way more significant in Duke's programs. And the career boost is the right measure, in my opinion, because you cannot do much about what you have right now (you cannot just become a U.S. citizen with experience in IB). Also, what matters more than the school's brand anyway?)

IBD placement?

also background please more specific the better

First off thanks for posting.

Would you mind sharing a little more background information about yourself? Also, could you touch on the application process?

What made you pick Duke over other programs and do you feel you'll be able to get into the career you want?

IB placement varies year to year, I got a bunch of interviews, so if you have a decent background it shouldn't be too difficult. We have some BB OCI, a fair number of MMs and boutiques. For those who did get interviews, they generally had prior IB internship experience.

Background: Non-target grad, two summers of IB, one regional boutique and the other at a smaller MM (50 man shop). STEM Major, research background. Low 3s GPA, 680 GMAT. Strong LORs.

Application Process: I applied in round 1; The process was very fit focused and they look at fit both ways, not just are you a good fit for Fuqua, but is Fuqua a good fit for you. Interviews are very behavioral and focus in on leadership and teamwork, mine was very conversational, my interviewer had grown up near where I had interned and we spent a lot of time talking about that. Know what Fuqua is about, the school prides itself on turning out leaders of consequence. So softs are important in demonstrating, leadership, teamwork and community service. Aspirations of people in the program run the gamut from IB/Consulting to entrepreneurial to social enterprise. More people lean consulting than anything else it seems.

Why Fuqua: I was admitted to a few other programs both MiM and MSF, the reasons I chose Fuqua were: the network, it's Duke and the loyalty and depth of the network are amazing; the academics, our professors are among the best in their fields; the location, I like the South, I went undergrad in the South and long term I plan to remain here; finally, the OCR/OCI is stronger here than at most masters program.

Where am I going after: I am joining a boutique management consulting firm, they have a great culture, the comp is amazing, they matched NYC pay in a very low COL Southern city, they specialize in an area that I love and they are in growth mode.

When do they normally release the decision? Is it exactly on the day that they mentioned on the calendar?

@"guyfromct" I just got waitlisted. Do you have any idea regarding the waitlist process? like how many people managed to get in from the waitlist??

I have no idea, I was R1 and in with similar stats

Hey @"guyfromct" Appreciate that you took time out to help!

I'll be applying for Fall 15 and had some questions that i'd love to have your opinion on. If you have the time, please drop me a mail at : toyamanaroraATgmailDotcom so we could continue the conversation there.

Thanks!

Hi @guyfromct

What is the placement prospective in NYC for international students after graduating the program? I have a look at the class profile and about 60% of international students obtained FT offers in US but it didn't specify which cities.

Thanks.

This post is probably dead but I'll try anyway. Do you know if any students got jobs in Asset Management or hedge funds?

Fewer than 3 people in a given sub category and they don't report it for privacy reasons.

Do you think you could get into a BB from either of the 3 other schools? If you don't - then Duke is the obvious answer. If you are fresh out of college and go from MSF/MMS -> an analyst program I am sure your financial knowledge will get 10x greater than the average fresh recruit. Don't forget that a lot of kids in finance were not finance majors.

So, are you fresh out of college? What are your stats like? -like will Duke make that much of an impact for your resume?

Do you think you could get into a BB from either of the 3 other schools? If you don't - then Duke is the obvious answer. If you are fresh out of college and go from MSF/MMS -> an analyst program I am sure your financial knowledge will get 10x greater than the average fresh recruit. Don't forget that a lot of kids in finance were not finance majors.

So, are you fresh out of college? What are your stats like? -like will Duke make that much of an impact for your resume?

i think duke is the best choice out of the 4.

I went to school at the Rochester Institute of Technology graduated with a 3.89 GPA Majored in economics. (GRE 1380 GMAT 720) Also have had 2 papers published in major economic journals. As for the finance side not a great deal of experience or course work. I took a few basic finance courses and corporate finance 1 and 2. As work work since graduating I have worked as Junior Financial Analyst For the Royal Bank of Scotland. Theres all my relevant stats. Its just not having a finance background I always assumed the best way to get into IB and BB was a masters or an MBA in finance.

I believe (although I am biased because I was a Duke undergrad...some time ago though) that Duke is your best bet. You will have the opportunity to apply through OCR to every single important bank possible including:

Goldman Bank of America UBS Credit Suisse JP Morgan Barclays Morgan Stanley Nomura, Lazard Deutsche Bank Piper Jaffray Jefferies Raymond James RBS Wells Fargo Suntrust Stifel Nicolaus Harris Williams

as well as other finance and consulting firms like:

Jane Street DRW Group One Bain BCG McKinsey Deloitte PwC E&Y Audax (PE firm) Cambridge Associates Blackrock Blackstone Citadel Accenture Berkshire AMEX Prudential

etc, etc ,etc

Now that I've gone through the recruiting advantages, the program itself (from what I hear) is taught by the same faculty as the MBA program, and is basically the exact same classes. The only difference is that they tweak them a bit to compensate for the lack of "real world" experience. In the Financial Analysis class the final project is the valuation of a firm using several different methods (projecting IS, BS, SCF, doing DCF, EVA, ratios, etc). But overall the program will be very different than a MSF because you will also have strategy, marketing and economics courses. You will not go VERY in depth into the finance stuff. Anyway, let me know if you have any questions and I'm sure I can help answer them (or find someone else who knows the answer).

I am leaning heavily towards Duke right now, my only problem with the program is that most MSF programs now have student run funds and groups which would give me real world experience in Financial Analysis and modeling and don't think Duke would necessarily prepare me for that. What do you guys think ?

What's the correct title of the MMS btw? Is it a MSc or MA?

Wouldn't it sound a little odd and not like a real masters degree to write on your CV: Masters of Management Studies: (!!) Foundations of Business (!!!) program

Doesn't this sound too much like prep programme or "masters light" compared to e.g. a Masters in Management from LSE or LBS in London?

Although the correct title is Master of Management Studies when filling out applications Duke has stated that it is considered a Master of Science (M.S.) degree.

so which did you take up? i am having difficulty deciding between LSE MSc Management, LBS MiM and Duke MMS where to go.

i kind of want to do research, land a later job in New York, maybe do MBA or PhD later.. only the 2 yr LSE program is good for still being close to academia, but its 2 years..the other two are solid fast tracks to target firms.

any thoughts?

Hey all,

I'm wrapping up my application for the Duke program as we speak. Can you guys give me an idea of what your GMAT scores, undergrad GPA, EC stuff was like?

Thanks

I'm also interested in this, I heard about this program recently from a friend.

What did your friend say? Is it encouraged?

You'll get the Duke name on your resume and access to OCR... You decide if it's worth it.

pretty sure there are multiple posts on this and they arent outdated if theyre a year old. and plz dont delete your old post and then repost to bump it.. and you should post this in b school barrage not here

I've moved it. I just put a nice post on the subject on my site. The program is great and really taking shape.

Look at the old posts, plenty of helpful people in the program right now. I know you hit me up for some info but I didnt go to the program. I was accepted but chose not to attend.

From what I hear, its a great program. Your GMAT score should be good enough.

Ant - you didnt check out the UBS Sauder MIM program my friend is attending. He loves it down there. Apparently really good school.

You get the opportunity to put the Duke name on your resume and access to OCR. For some people, that's worth it. It sounds like you need a rebrand so it would probably be worth it for you.

FWIW, my dad (managing director of a family office and Duke alum) hired a Duke UG/Duke MMS grad last year and he has performed well so far.

Opps, sorry. I have it open right now. Ill post on it later today. Thanks for the reminder.

what nationality are you>?

You had a 3.81 from a top 5 school and you had to take a dead-end IT support job? If you devote some time each week on top of your job to networking you probably would be able to find something. Just a thought.

Top 5 target and a 3.8GPA? No offence but if the best you can do is obtain a dead end IT job, then more education right now is probably not the best idea. What the hell happened?

I would network, work hard and aim for an MBA in a few years.

i do not feel sorry for people like this. i have friends like this and i think our generation is filled with them.