Elite Boutiques in New York: 2020

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With 2020 SA recruiting approaching, would love to hear the community's thoughts on these NY EBs in particular: EVR, CVP, LAZ, PWP, PJT, MOE. Interested in a holistic ranking / discussion based on culture, exits, generic prestige, analyst experience, and firm outlook.

Thank you!

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Dec 27, 2018

All great firms but my list that i would work (accounting for all work/life balance, prestige, pay, etc)

  1. Evercore
  2. PJT
  3. Lazard
  4. Centerview
  5. Moelis
  6. PWP

Once again this is just my preference and each firm has their pros and cons. If you excel in any of thse you will get good exits and the pay for analyst years will be marginal.

Once again just my list but I think many people would agree for the most part

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Dec 27, 2018

I'd rank them as follows, but at this point it's all down to personal preference. Like the above poster said, land at any and you're golden.

1) Centerview
2) Evercore
3) PJT
4) Moelis
5) Lazard
6) PWP

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Dec 28, 2018

Not sure how Centerview is your #1. My list would be along the lines of
1. EVR / PJT
2. LAZ / MOEL
3. Centerview / PWP

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Jan 2, 2019

Not super well informed... How are the hours at evercore? Compared to BB?

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Jan 6, 2019

EB hours (and EVR is a classic EB) are comparable to BB and maybe a bit higher on the margins.

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Dec 27, 2018

Based on preferences and experiences of peers at these firms in New York, would list:

1) Evercore
2) PJT
3) Centerview
4) PWP
5) Lazard
6) Moelis NY

Some are known to be more supportive of buyside recruiting, some are known to have tougher cultures, etc. Again, to reiterate, any differences are marginal and all will provide great experience and opportunities.

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Dec 27, 2018

In reality, since ranking these is basically splitting hairs:

Evercore=PJT>Centerview=PWP=Lazard=Moelis NY

Good luck!

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Jan 6, 2019

I've been out of the IB hiring world for a year so maybe something happened recently, but outside of that possibility I'm surprised to see you rank Centerview with the rest instead of the top. Certainly when I was in IB (again until only a year ago) Centerview was considered by far the hardest place to get hired. Top pay by a good margin, good culture etc. Did something change recently?

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Dec 27, 2018

When is/are you/everyone expecting SA 2020 recruiting for the EB's to begin?

Dec 27, 2018

Looks like a few of the MM firms have already opened 2020 applications and a good mix of BBs / EBs have begun on campus info sessions. I'd guess these boutiques would start interviews in March based on previous timelines

Dec 27, 2018
ufcf:

Looks like a few of the MM firms have already opened 2020 applications and a good mix of BBs / EBs have begun on campus info sessions. I'd guess these boutiques would start interviews in March based on previous timelines

Which MMs have you seen with open applications? Have heard RBC but application wouldn't even work for me

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Dec 28, 2018

For SA 2019, Lazard held info sessions March and applications opened in May and filled spots in NYC by mid June. Evercore was also well into recruiting by the end of May. CVP had info session in May and then did interviews in the following fall, in September. Target uni.

Didn't hear about precise timelines for 2020.

Dec 28, 2018

any ideas as to how to approach EB recruitment if I have <2 alumni at each?

Dec 28, 2018

Do you go to a main target (H/P/Y/S)?

Dec 28, 2018

At my university some have already done info sessions for 2020. We've been told "soft" first rounds begin in early February. For '19, interviews were from March-May and completed by June for most EB's

"It is not our circumstance that controls us, but our thoughts that control our circumstance." -James Allen

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Dec 27, 2018

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Dec 28, 2018

Any are good but note that Centerview is a 3Yr program. You get a massive signing bonus but contingent on following through with all 3 years, or else taken back. That's why some users may have it ranked lower than other users - great IBD experience overall, but if you want to transition to PE ASAP, it's probably not the best option to do so.

"If you have a difficult task, give it to a lazy person; they will find an easier way to do it." - Hlade's Law

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Dec 28, 2018

Piper and Lazard are still posting for SA 2019 in Charlotte, then again it is not NYC.

Dec 28, 2018

Rothschild?

Dec 28, 2018

Europe they dominate, US they do almost nothing / vanilla deals

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Dec 28, 2018

*Really sorry to all the US Rothschild analysts that I am offending

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Dec 28, 2018

Do well in select industries (e.g. Food, Paper/Packaging) and deal sizes vary much more widely between MM to true EB size deals. The divestiture of Sara Lee was a cool deal for them.

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Dec 28, 2018

Would also like to hear about Guggenheim

"It is not our circumstance that controls us, but our thoughts that control our circumstance." -James Allen

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Jan 6, 2019

CVP, EVR and PJT are clearly in the first category.

Moelis is more of a wild card. I've heard good arguments that they are at the top because you get great training, and I've heard arguments that they're not as good (insane hours and brutal culture for the same pay and exits that you'd get at the places above).

Laz, PWP and others are the also-rans.

All of this can be trumped by fit. If you feel a strong fit with the group making you the offer, that's a better bet than anything else.

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Jan 1, 2019

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Jan 6, 2019

My guess is that it's not a significant margin. Certainly not significant enough to be more important than the degree of fit you sense with the group you're interviewing with.

Dec 28, 2018

Would add that it's probably more useful to rank specific groups within the banks (e.g. EVR M&A vs PJT M&A vs. Moelis M&A or EVR RX vs. PJT RX vs. LAZ RX) as opposed to the entire bank itself

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Dec 28, 2018

Curious how PJT M&A stacks up against the others.

I suspect PJT's high rank can be attributed disproportionately to their RX arm?

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Dec 28, 2018

PJT RX is definitely one of the best - if not the best - RX groups on the street i'd say, but I also think PJT M&A in on par with the likes of EVR/LAZ/MOE M&A. Can't go wrong with any of these really

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Dec 28, 2018

At my school's in office EVR info session, the bank said they would recruit "target schools" (H/P/Y/S/P) in the spring, and online application would open in July/August. They said that this was going to be a trend for most IBs. Have talked to Jefferies and PWP saying they will most likely do the same.

Jan 2, 2019

Where does Greenhill fall? Stock seems to have recovered since its 2018 low and is growing MD headcount.

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Jan 2, 2019

I'm a biased source, but I'd say analyst exits similar to historical; Tiger cub, few ex-SAC funds, CDR, Centerbridge, and other less known but respected UMM/MM PE. Keep in mind class size is ~10 in NYC. Much stronger deal flow this year but nature of smaller firm is that there's more ebb and flow.

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Jan 4, 2019

GHL Rx also built up a lot. Hired ex Rothschild rx cohead, analysts placing well.

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Jan 5, 2019

1) Goldman Sachs
2) Morgan Stanley
3) JP Morgan
4) BOA
5) Citi

6) Who? Oh, those guys. Sure.

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Jan 5, 2019
  1. Everything else in the world
  2. The value of your opinion

Sup, Harvardboiii

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Jan 5, 2019
covavoityuderg:

7. Everything else in the world

  1. The value of your opinion

Sup, Harvardboiii

Accept for the fact that I went to Harvard and interned at the top bank on Wall Street and now have a buy-side gig lined up straight out of college, so in fact, the value of my opinion generally carries great weight in any boardroom. Get cucked bubba.

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Jan 6, 2019

Yeah I'm sure a lot of people choose Citi over CVP and EVR. Troll game is slipping.

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Jan 5, 2019
PteroGonzalez:

Yeah I'm sure a lot of people choose Citi over CVP and EVR. Troll game is slipping.

Look at the scoreboard pussy, I don't even know if CVP and EVR made it on the last League Tables because why the fuck would I read past the top 5? Wayyyy too many MM nerds are on this site hyping each other up.

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Jan 6, 2019

League tables don't matter for hiring. If you actually went to Harvard, you surely didn't choose it for its large class size. Just as you wouldn't choose a banking job based on the size of the bank. Pretty basic stuff.

FYI, talking like a meathead in your 20's just reveals you were the guy who got picked on as a teen. Good luck on losing your virginity before college is over.

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Dec 28, 2018

I just made a groupme for sophomores recruiting for 2020 IB SA. DM me and I will add you

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Apr 8, 2019

pjt starting this/next week i heard

Apr 8, 2019

Interviews or applications rolling out?

Apr 8, 2019

apps

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Apr 8, 2019

for evercore ib.. is there group selection or is it just m&a for all

Apr 10, 2019

they have a few different programs. advisory, rx, and pca. at least for advisory: you apply and if you get an offer, you get a generalist offer in NYC. other offices (Chicago, SF, and Houston) have specific groups (industrial, tech/healthcare, energy [respectively]).

your internship is as a generalist. if you return full time you are also a generalist and get staffed in different groups, depending on both the needs of the firm and your interests. after like 6 months you have the option to choose a group that you've worked with. if they like you, you can go to that group.

I've met a couple of people that really like the generalist model and have remained a generalist but have a few groups they regularly work with.

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Apr 12, 2019

At my school's info session Evercore was very insistent that there would be zero interviews before apps open in July. Anyone know the probability they break this and hold supers in the next month or two?

Apr 12, 2019

Heard the same exact thing at my target here. They have also already wrapped up diversity for SA 2020.

Apr 8, 2019

same knew people who got exploding offers from their women's program