Excess MSRE/D Students in 2020?

I heard back from my MSRE application from NYU over the weekend and I didn't get accepted. To be completely honest, I was totally taken back by this as I thought it was a very lax process and they almost accepted everyone. 

I had a 3.3 GPA, relevant RE finance experience (3 years) and a recommendation from a Stern professor. Now, all is not lost because I got into other programs but it's making me think. Is 2020 the year of grad school? With the amount of kids who didn't graduate with a job, did they all decide to apply to graduate school? Are we seeing an uber-influx of other finance professionals coming into CRE and deciding the MSRE/D route was the best one for them? I can't seem to wrap my head around me not getting accepted to NYU when I know plenty of others with a worse CV have gotten in.

Any similar stories or words of wisdom? Are we seeing even more professionals come into CRE during the pandemic?

 

I also got denied from NYU with relevant exp and a 3.5 GPA, yet somehow got accepted to Columbia and Fordham

Really wish I could tell you why I got dinged but the decision email said they won't expand on it or something like that

 

Interesting that you’re accepted to columbia without gmat. That’s a requirement up until the next year’s class, when they start waiving it due to covid...

 
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So, i'm pretty sure they have about a 40-50% acceptance rate (know some profs there very well), which is not super selective by M7 MBA standards (by which everything on WSO is judged....). Also, from a recent convo I had with a friend who teaches there, they confirmed that enrollments for the fall are high and they had a higher than normal amount of people accepting their fall admit offers. 

Not surprised, after the 08-Lehman fall, many MBA and MSRE programs got more applicants, especially in cities like NYC. They have had to tighten admission standards as a result. 

To your question, about a 'glut' of grads....  I would doubt it as almost all of these programs have some level of capacity caps (as you may have bumped up against at NYU). Generally fewer people enter real estate during downturns, but more people already in the industry go back to grad school as the 'slowdown' lowers the opportunity cost of being in school. The scary thing is that the 'cost' of not having a degree can go up at these moments, this happened after 08.. I know several firms that used to hire straight out of UG that now mostly only hire out of grad because they got so many good applicants after 08 with grad degrees. 

Too early to say if that happens again, but I wouldn't be surprised. So to sum.... net value of grad degree stays about the same, value of UG alone falls (or penalty for not having a grad rises). This is has happened steadily for the past many decades, and it is in part due to more people getting grad degrees (a lot more colleges have MBAs, MSRE/Ds, MSFs, and others now than before, and in more part-time and online formats as well executive type ones). 

 

Very helpful and more or less of what I suspected. Think I may defer on my other acceptances for a year to study for GMAT and apply to Columbia MSRED and NYU again next year to just be even more competitive since I don't really know what else there would be to do. Hopefully the RE market steadies in 2021 so there's not as many potential applicants. 

 

What you experienced is due to the current market conditions. We knew in the spring that 2020/2021 MSRE/D applications/enrollments would be higher than a normal year, same with MBA applications, so I doubt it had something to do with you as an applicant. I am sure there were many qualified applicants who, in a normal year, would have been accepted.

Best thing you can do is remain at your job and keep networking, and apply again next year with hopefully a standard application pool size.

 

Aside from your experience, most of your other qualities don't come off strong as it is. Are you not able to find someone who could give you strong recommendations? What about GMAT, no plans to take it? GRE?

I went to I guess what would be considered a semi-target, 4 years RE experience, 2.7 GPA, strong recs, scored average on GRE and got in earlier this year, pre-covid though.

 

Seems quite odd that good candidates, above 3.0 GPAs, relevant experience, strong recs and reasonably good test scores aren't getting into NYU. I wonder if there are big changes with program because maybe too many are opting out of enrolling due to instruction being majority online?

Anyone doing Georgetown and getting the same results?

 

Do you think there is the same demand for the coming fall semester programs? I see how a lot of recent graduates/people looking for a career change after covid may be trying to go back to school ASAP, but do you think there will be the same demand and stringent guidelines for next fall?

I am not in desperate need but would like to get into NYU, but my GPA is a 3.1 from BU, with over 2 years experience in a large GSE shop (think WalkerDunlop/Berkadia) by the time I would start class, and also work part-time for my parents firm doing acquisition analysis.

Any thoughts? Im super nervous about getting in, but I really think NYU would be a great stepping stone in moving into the principal side for me with a large network.

 

Given the way this year and job market is playing out so far, I would expect a big surge in applicants for Fall 2021. You should consider applying as soon as you can, big programs like NYU do rolling admissions, meaning they don't wait to batch them to consider. Generally, the earlier the easier as a result. When the numbers get 'big' they can get pickier as they have fewer slots left. 

 

I was waiting for someone to say this. I'm seeing folks leave jobs that MSRE/Ds would kill for just to go back to school...was going to apply this year or next but personally don't see the point now unless its PT or a T15 MBA focused on RE. 

If you already have a job in Acq/AM/Dev, I'd weigh options VERY carefully before pulling the trigger here. 

 

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