Goldie Tinfoil Hat Vaccine TalkTalk Thread
I'm trying to figure out what to personally do about the vaccine. Covid has really made me question a lot of my core beliefs and this vaccine thing is a big part of that. I'm just gonna post some bullets about stuff I think and hopefully some people have some stuff to say:
-I'm big on "we don't know what we don't know." I believe humans are perpetually arrogant about the state of medicine being more advanced than it is. I believe a ton of harm comes from medical treatment for things that would have taken care of themselves or could have been corrected through non-medical routes. Nassim Taleb on iatrogenics, etc
-Fact: governments of the world have done shady shit to their populations without their consent throughout history.
-I believe questioning things is important and doing things just because others are doing them is lazy and foolish. You should have a goal in mind and you should know why you're doing what you're doing. You should hold view you've thought through, hold no views on things you haven't thought through, and be unafraid to hold views others disagree with. In the context of Covid, I was seeing the vaccine discussed in a 50/50 sort of manner not long ago. Maybe I will, maybe I won't. Now, the hivemind is "Wear a mask and get vaccinated! You're a bad person if you don't. Don't ask questions. Just do it.' When someone says, 'Don't ask questions and do it,' my instincts scream at me to run or do the opposite.
-There seems to be a global attitude shift toward collectivization, acceptance of government oversight, acceptance of increasing government intrusion into private and social life... Musk wants to put chips in our heads so we no longer have to speak. I listen to a lot of Rogan and see his stance on shit as a decent barometer of public opinion. A year ago, he was super fishy on the "join the machines" shit. Now, Brian Greene comes on and he's like, 'Yeah it's happening whatever.' He sold out and who knows who's in his ear.
-I'm not concerned about dying from Covid. I'm 28 y/o and in great health. Health shaming is a thing now and that's funny to me. People act like "heath" is binary - you either are or you aren't.
Exhibit A: Dadbod skinnyfat married with 3 kids dude who works in an office, does Krav Maga twice a week, drinks 10.7 beers a week, eats pizza on the weekends, eats chicken salad for lunch during the week, and gets a massage every other Sunday. He's 35. 6' 185lb 18% BF. Has a benzo script. Catches a cold annually
Exhibit B: Divorced divorce attorney. Takes a black car to work. Eats mostly delivery and at fancy restaurants. Never exercises. Drinks whiskey every night. Sleeps in an armchair. He's on blood pressure meds, statins, an SSRI, and pops way more viagra than you should. Gets sick so bad he has to take antibiotics twice a year. He's 6' 285lb 45% BF
Exhibit C: Married with 2 kids dude who works for himself from home, does weightlifting 5X per week, does HIIT cardio, eats clean 98% of the time, takes a walk outside an hour a day, ice tub daily, sauna 5X per week, can fast for two weeks with no performance dip if he has to, gets good sleep, supplements religiously, and is not on any meds. Does not remember the last time he was sick. 6' 205lb 10% BF.
Exhibits A & C are both "healthy" according to medical standards. But they're not at all the same thing. Their immune systems and their stress tolerance are not at all the same thing. So when people say, 'Even young and healthy people have gotten serious complications from Covid,' do they mean people who actually pursue healthy? Or just young people who aren't fat and that's about all they have going for them?
-Anecdotally, everyone I know who's in half decent shape say they brushed off Covid in a couple days with no after effects. My boy Orlando's 2-year-old caught it and had sniffles for a day and that was it. On all the fitness podcasts I listen to, every single person brushed it off. Now those are actual healthy people - not Western medical textbook "healthy" people.
-This shit doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon like we'd hoped. How long can it possibly take for a single virus to run through a whole population?
-Unpopular personal beliefs: We have more than enough people. Too many people. Most of them suck. They're stupid and lazy. Too lazy to appreciate and care for the healthy they've been given. Put your emotions aside and explain to me how society would not be better off in the long run if we snip the frayed ends a bit.
-Aging population is a problem for governments. Is Covid a solution? Came out of China. Which has an aging population big time. Are we sure this isn't designed to just trim the fat? Because if I'm not the fat, and I have no room for the fat in my life, I have no concerns.
-Microchip? I don't know. Maybe. Am I crazy to think it's feasible? I don't think so. I think the most infeasible part is global governments being organized enough to run some shit like that. The technology existing is totally possible. Are we in denial there are groups who would do that if they could? People are afraid to sound crazy. That boat's sailed for me so here I am to tell you that I am very concerned about being injected with some shady shit meant to control or keep track of us somehow.
-Virus is mutating. So does getting vaccinated from this version protect us from the mutations?
-Anyone know how they handled this shit with Polio? Did everyone sign up to get vaccinated? I can't imagine how you'd get the whole population of the whole world to go and get voluntary vaccinations.
-If I'm healthy, and Covid would just wash over me like all the other healthy people, why would I not just catch it and have the antibodies over getting vaccinated?
-What really concerns me is the after-effects rather than dying from the virus itself:
And here are athletes getting very sick, but football players are not at all necessarily healthy overall...
-My personal situation: I'm 28 y/o in great health. Wife is 26 y/o in pretty good health. We have a 10 m/o baby who's doing great and will be shooting for another one in about 6 months. My wife is already vaccinated because she's a teacher and is going to need to go back to in-person teaching. The baby should have immunity through breastmilk, but who knows. Like with this whole thing. Who knows..
So I suppose I'm trying to decide two things for myself:
-Should I personally get vaccinated? You can still pass Covid if vaccinated. And if my end-goal is to keep my kid from developing any of the scary side-effects from Covid, would it not be better if I have the antibodies rather than vaccine? But how would I get the antibodies without infecting her in the meantime? If she can even be infected because breastmilk immunity.
-What level of extracurricular risk am I willing to take? I recently joined a weightlifting gym, which got me thinking about all this. Because I was fairly isolated before that. Health has a huge social component and it's not healthy for us to be isolated for a long time. And I was missing a little comradery. Covid has no end in sight. So I justified it by saying this will make me a better and healthier person overall which makes me a better father and husband along with everything else which makes for a stronger and healthier family. My wife wants to go back to hot yoga... I mean, can we justify these things? Or should we continue to hunker down? For how long? Is that itself some form of governmental manipulation? Is this the beginning of a new norm of government-imposed lockdowns to offset carbon emissions and who knows what else?
-The info is changing so rapidly. Shady shit about everything always comes out later on down the road. You just know we're gonna look back on this in 10 years saying soooo many mistakes were made. Who's to say getting vaccinated isn't one of those mistakes? At this point, Covid is almost the familiar and vaccination is the unknown.
I'm fizzling out. That's all I got for now.