How prevalent still is "Legacy Preference" at Ivys?

For example what % of ugrad and mba students at Harvard are legacy students? What is the acceptance rate compared to that of a normal applicant?

How does this % compare to Ivys as a whole? How much has legacy become more/less important since the past, ie when families like the Boston Brahmin's filled the classrooms (and still do?). Just curious..

Additionally, knowing your son(s)/daughter(s) have x% higher chance of admittance, does this come into play at all to you when contemplating the cost of admission?

 

A fair amount of students were legacies at my college, but it wasn't really due to admission preferences - they got into peer schools too. It was mostly attributable to smart alumni having smart kids who wanted to follow in their parents' footsteps. I never met somebody who I thought got in just because their parents were alumni.

I didn't go to an ivy, but a college ranked in the upper tier of the "ivy range".

 

There's legacy candidates. And then there's developmental candidates (most developmental candidates are also legacies, but not always).

Legacy: You parents went there. Simple. Developmental: You're parents are very rich/influential. Bonus if they went there, but not req'd.

Legacy and Develop both matters for UG. A better question to ask is what is the admission % for legacies vs. general pool? For Harvard UG- it's about 30%. 4x the general admission rate (but remember- legacies also have higher stats than the general pool). The Developmental admission rate is not known. It could be a simple matter of clearing a low academic hurdle= guaranteed admission. Duke is especially active in this. You can literally get a guarantee out of them just contingent on HS graduation.

For MBAs- legacy doesn't matter much at all unless its backed by Developmental. E.g. if you parents went here but didn't become powerful- then we could care less.

 

Legacies are around 20-30% at ivies. If you include athletes, that percentage is more like 40%. I personally think the legacy acceptance rate is too high, but they do have higher stats than the normal applicant pool, and i assume that if your parents went to harvard, you grew up in a home that emphasizes education and are thus better prepared. Still, 30% acceptancer rate for legacies vs 5% is a bit too drastic.

Legacy doesn't matter too much at HBS unless the alum gave a ton of money. About 10% of the HBS class is comprised of people who are only there because their parents are wealthy international business tycoons. Most of them aren't qualified; jamie dimon's daughter is one example.

 
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Legacies are around 20-30% at ivies. If you include athletes, that percentage is more like 40%. I personally think the legacy acceptance rate is too high, but they do have higher stats than the normal applicant pool, and i assume that if your parents went to harvard, you grew up in a home that emphasizes education and are thus better prepared. Still, 30% acceptancer rate for legacies vs 5% is a bit too drastic.

Legacy doesn't matter too much at HBS unless the alum gave a ton of money. About 10% of the HBS class is comprised of people who are only there because their parents are wealthy international business tycoons. Most of them aren't qualified; jamie dimon's daughter is one example.

Source for any of this? You seem to do quite a bit of pontificating without backing it up with verifiable sources. If this is just the sense you get or is based on your limited experience or anecdotal evidence you should say so. Otherwise don't state things so matter-of-factly.
 
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Legacies are around 20-30% at ivies. If you include athletes, that percentage is more like 40%. I personally think the legacy acceptance rate is too high, but they do have higher stats than the normal applicant pool, and i assume that if your parents went to harvard, you grew up in a home that emphasizes education and are thus better prepared. Still, 30% acceptancer rate for legacies vs 5% is a bit too drastic.

Legacy doesn't matter too much at HBS unless the alum gave a ton of money. About 10% of the HBS class is comprised of people who are only there because their parents are wealthy international business tycoons. Most of them aren't qualified; jamie dimon's daughter is one example.

Source for any of this? You seem to do quite a bit of pontificating without backing it up with verifiable sources. If this is just the sense you get or is based on your limited experience or anecdotal evidence you should say so. Otherwise don't state things so matter-of-factly.

actually the 40% legacy rate is correct. I've seen that number +/- 1% in a number of different academic texts on the subject of college admissions

 
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Legacy acceptance rates are much much higher than non-legacy acceptance rates. It's hard to read too far into that though, as many legacies are also the best-educated and have the best scores, stats, ECs, etc... I think the typical saying that legacy is a "tie-breaker" among qualified candidates still holds true. I was legacy at the ivy I attended and decided to apply to the school early for that very reason. The other non HYP ivies were all a possibility for me with my SATs/grades/ECs, but my college counselor recommended I not miss the "Sure-thing" of applying early to the school my dad and siblings attended. She told me it was "90%+" if I did early decision at my school and 30-50% (if i remember correctly) at other comparable ivies for early decision... (the fact my dad clearly wanted me to go there and he was the guy paying also made the choice a lot easier...)

 

Are harvard legacy applicants that much more qualified than the general pool that their acceptance rate is 30% while the overall rate is around 5%? Seems a bit hard to believe.

I think if you combine legacy, urm, and athletes (there are people in overlapping groups obviously) the total would probably come out to 30-40%. That was clearly the case at my ivy (not harvard), but i don't have concrete data on this. Just based on my observations over the 4 years i was at my undergrad.

 
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Are harvard legacy applicants that much more qualified than the general pool that their acceptance rate is 30% while the overall rate is around 5%? Seems a bit hard to believe.

I think if you combine legacy, urm, and athletes (there are people in overlapping groups obviously) the total would probably come out to 30-40%. That was clearly the case at my ivy (not harvard), but i don't have concrete data on this. Just based on my observations over the 4 years i was at my undergrad.

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This is one of those things that you hope to be true when you are a parent. I bet there are some parents out there that, like me, had this as a reason to apply to some MBA programs and not others (the strength and reputation of the overall university for our potential 'legacy' kids.) I know I may get flak for this, but I bet there are many other parents out there that thought of the same thing when applying.

 

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