A lot of people make posts here asking about GPA and GMAT. I found this blog, in which some applicant has been analyzing gmatclub data to see which schools care about GPA versus GMAT more, and the impact of each. I can't speak to the validity of the data, but seems cool so far. Also goes into how much more difficult things are for Indian applicants.
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SBed. Pretty interesting stuff
Solid analysis. Nothing here surprised me except that HBS' round 2 acceptance rate is only 6%. I had no idea that there was such a huge difference between rounds 1 and 2.
Yeah, Indian male internationals are pretty screwed. Toughest group for MBA admission, even moreso than Asian-American men. Obviously there is tons of reverse discrimination against Asian men in general.
The difference is probably due more to the fact that round 1 applicants are generally more qualified. Most of the PE/HF/MBB types apply round 1. I'm fairly confident that if you normalized the applicant pool, the acceptance rates would be around the same for each round.
Building off of this topic. During admissions do they divide up the pool of candidate depending on what background they are coming from. Like finance people vs. finance people and marketing people against marketing? Or is everyone jumbled up?
Edit: curious because I come from the operations/manufacturing side, so I'm curious if I'll be pitted against engineers? I work with quite a few...
Yes, they bucket people by race, gender, and work experience. If you're a finance background, it's a more competitive bucket, and you need a higher GMAT for example.
How would you rank the experience background buckets in terms of difficulty and ease?
This is correct. You are grouped by gender, race, and professional background. The standard will vary wildly depending on which bucket you are in. I know that at my school (from very reliable sources) that the median GMAT for asian-american men from finance is around 760, and median gpa is around 3.8.
Just ran some rough stats on the GMAT Club data for Wharton '17 (found here http://gmatclub.com/forum/calling-all-wharton-applicants-2015-intake-cl…). Interestingly, % denied without interview is ~30% for 700-730 scorers while it drops to ~15% for 740+. % who put their status as either admitted or matriculating at 770+ is almost twice that of those with lower scores. 770+ has similar rate of admitted%/matriculating% compared to lower scores implying that H/S had similar admit rate for these students (assuming that only reason for reported admit but no reported matriculation is going to a higher-ranked school, which is a weak assumption). In other words, it looks like H/S saying GMAT doesn't matter above a certain point (maybe 730 or so) may not be 100% lip service from a very high-level perspective.
Obviously there are a lot of collinear factors, .e.g., those with higher GMAT probably can craft better essays, have higher GPA, and so on, and also there is a reporting bias given that people with positive outcomes are more likely to report these on the site.
I'm having trouble downloading anything other than the GMAT data but it'd be interesting to at least run interview probability (since this is a positive outcome, i.e., stats were sufficient for interview and now admit is based on other factors) with GPA and GMAT as vars to see the degree to which those are correlated with one another.
BB, the owner of gmatclub is responsive, he can probably help you get the data you need.
Great idea. I'll reach out to him. It'd be interesting to do a broader analysis. I'd like to look deeper into some of what the article that you posted says as it has piqued my interest. If there are any interested results I'll make a thread about it.
man.... this is eye opening, I was about to apply to HBS for R2....
Don't hesitate if you think you have even a small shot.
Man, people do some insane work just to break down admissions. I wouldn't let this influence my decision though. Remember, the data is definitely not complete.
Its just to get a feel about your chances of getting in. Like should I get good/confident or not. lol
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