MBA Decision: Stern (full-ride) or Kellogg for finance?

Hi guys, I am thrilled to be in this dilemma, and would love to hear your opinions - which one is a better option for finance role, e.g. IB? Many thanks for your valuable input.

Background:
- International student
- Pre-MBA: small PE shop, no U.S. work experience
- Post-MBA: finance role in the U.S., and maybe the best possible role would be IB?

Stern
Pros:
- Full tuition, only $75K out of pocket for two years, debt-free post-MBA
- IB focused school, according to CMC, 26.2% placement to IB
- Closest distance to those banks (probably more demanding in terms of networking?)
Cons:
- Lower ranked, less prestigious internationally
- 0.9% VC placements, I guess it would be impossible for me

Kellogg
Pros:
- M7, highly regarded internationally
- According to CMC, 3.6% PE placement, seems that it leaves one more door open, although it would be highly uncertain
- Hevanston is an ideal location to live (visited)
- Reputable party school (who could say no to that?)
- Bidding system for interviews
Cons:
- Consulting school, with 30% Consulting, 28% Tech, and only 13.7% financial services with IB 5.7% (less competitive?)
- According to the Cost of Attendance, it would be $120K ~ $150K more out of pocket

 
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I'd urge you to do two things:

  1. Ask Kellogg's financial aid department for a counter-offer
  2. Go to the admit weekends

Like you, I've also been admitted to Kellogg (albeit in R1) as an international student with a finance background with the goal of eventually breaking into PE-style investing. I attended DAK, Kellogg's admit weekend, and have gone through a similar decision process. Here are some thoughts and insights:

  • PE recruiting as an international student is extremely tough. The vast majority of US-only shops will not consider you, because they won't risk losing you after a year over visa issues. That leaves you with international shops and those are even more competitive.
  • As a consequence, some internationals go abroad in their second year in order to network with shops in geographies where they can actually get an offer. If that's something you consider, the perceived brand of the program in your geography matters.
  • Kellogg is underrated for finance. The fact that they place less students in finance than other schools is driven by self-selection and nothing else. At DAK I talked to several students who successfully recruited for PE, asset management and hedge funds. While there aren't many students interested in them, those jobs are as much on the table as they'd be at other MBA business schools">M7 schools.
  • Kellogg places very well at top BB's/EB's. I'm not too familiar with Stern, but I'm aware it's said to place well in IB. While I have no reason to doubt that, I'd suggest you check out which roles and teams fall into their career report's IB category and where people end up on average.
  • Kellogg and Stern tend to attract a very different crowd. Add that to the geographical gap (Evanston vs. Manhattan) and you can easily see why your MBA experience at the two schools will be very different. You may like both, but I'd argue that most people will feel home at one but not the other. That's why in my opinion, it's so important to attend the admit weekends; alternatively, talk to as many students and recent alumni as humanly possible.
  • Not sure if that's already factored into your calculations, but cost of living will be much higher in Manhattan vs. Evanston.

I tend to agree with Pmc2ghy: if you're dead-set on IB, there may not be a big difference in recruiting outcomes (assuming that Stern is as strong in that field as is commonly said). That being said, there are more considerations to take into account. It is up to how you weigh them.

 

Hi danpo, very much insightful! Thanks!

I have already sought for reconsideration from Kellogg but am not sure how they would respond to that.

My post-MBA plan A is to seek for a finance role in the U.S., thus I guess IB would be the best possible role for international students. Plan B would be to go back to my home country and work for PE shops (also competitive).

I am aware that Stern is IB heavy, and if I want to explore other opportunities (say going back to Asia for PE), I should pick Kellogg for its MBA business schools">M7 brand.

The dilemma is if Kellogg is $150K better than Stern. Also, if one could land a spot at IB in the U.S., and I guess it would be possible to ultimately move to PE.

 

Kellogg probably isn't $150K better than Stern for someone looking to break into IB in most circumstances. But your international status and VC goals change the dynamic somewhat.

But can mirror/agree w/ everything in Danpo's post. I would only add that you should also try finding/talking to alumni who've pulled off your desired career path and get a sense for what a) made them successful b) how numerous their opportunities at each school were.

 

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