PWP/GHL/Guggenheim
Would love to hear everyone's thoughts on how these firms compare in exit opps/compensation/culture.
Would love to hear everyone's thoughts on how these firms compare in exit opps/compensation/culture.
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https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/guggenheim-vs-greenhill-vs-pwp
learn to use the search function
PWP is like Moelis/Lazard... not close to Guggenheim/Greenhill.
lol enjoy your pwp offer bud but this is just an absolutely retarded take
that dude's actually right though. enjoy ur ghl offer mate
Hey pal, I'm not your mate. And actually, the second dude is actually right. Enjoy ur Greenhill offer bud.
Hey chief, I'm not your pal. And actually, the third dude is actually right. Enjoy ur Greenhill offer bud.
why's everyone so mean on this thread. third dude is an asshole
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class at a top-target (think Harvard, Yale, UI Kelly), and I've been involved in numerous multi-billion dollar transaction, and I have over 300 closed deals. I am trained in performing LBO analysis and I am the sole top-bucket analyst at my top-BB. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of summer analysts across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your ‘offer’. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in modeling, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Royal Bank of Canada and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. Enjoy your glh offer, kiddo.
care to elaborate?
here we go again...
god I hate these but I must respond
PWP>GUG>Greenhill
yes, GUG before GH
If you don't mind, could you explain the reasoning behind this order?
use the search function. if you look at all these past threads its always people asking pwp vs moelis, pwp vs lazard, So I would assume prestige wise its pwp
When people keep referencing the search function that means that the main source of information becomes students who never held a full time job who got information from other students who never had a full time job... they are all good firms and fairly similar in many ways and very different in others. The difference in deal flow, prestige and exits between these firms will be minimal and any perceived ranking will probably have moved around multiple times between now and you starting full time.
lets not try to not hurt feelings.. PWP is the best out of these 3
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think this is somewhat fair. Graduated from target and have seen people take PWP over Lazard/Moelis multiple times, as well as most of the time over BAML/CS/Citi/Barclays. Can't say I've seen the same for preference for Gugg/Greenhill
Wow, I didn't know that about Guggenheim, for reference, that's a larger class than EVR
Work at Gugg - Ive seen this ~60 number thrown around this site and havent commented till now. Not denying there are bigger classes these days but youre actually looking at ~45 NY M&A full timers. The 60 number includes ECM, SPO, RX, and Chicago office.
yes, but you’re comparing it to GHL NY ~10 and PWP NY ~20 which are both significantly smaller. the size difference argument still holds true
Again not denying the size difference...and not commenting on these absurd prestige debates...but there is certainly more nuance. Majority of analysts work in TMT or HC (which is split into 3 verticals). Somehow there seems to be quite a bit of work for all of us lol.
how in the world was the poster trying to compare class sizes or invalidate your argument? Lmao
Don't they have more analysts because Gugg has more deal flow and has worked on bigger deals?
My bad here - must have heard wrong originally
Mind if I PM? Have some questions going off of this.
Can you shed a little light on a few areas of Guggenheim -- like how you hear their smaller offices in Houston and Chicago are weathering the corona storm, and also does ECM at Guggenheim have a decent amount of activity? If you don't wanna post on this thread, you mind PM'ing me?
What do people think of the trajectory of each of these firms? Which seems to have the most momentum
I think we can all agree that Guggenheim has the best trajectory. Growing rapidly
you are pulling shit out of your ass. RBC and Rothschild NY are also "growing" rapidly by ramping up hiring dramatically but no one would go work for them over other banks. same here. you think a place like PWP or PJT with only 15-20 analysts couldn't "grow" rapidly if they wanted to? they simply want to keep numbers low for exclusivity and the barrier to entry high
I work at PWP but have friends at Guggenheim so want to throw that out there. This thread has become way too long and isn't productive. Once you start full time, no one cares about these comparisons (unless you're a super finance hardo and have no life, in which case I really hope you choose a different bank) From what I've noticed, analysts at Guggenheim have much better lifestyles. Think the culture is good at all three (you'll still be working a ton). Gugg has the best summer internship culture by far, apparently there's a fun event every week (someone confirm) 1. Class Size: Guggenheim's M&A class is around 45-50 (why would you give the kid MS for stating a fact), much bigger than our class so obviously more low quality analysts slip in at Guggenheim. However, analyst quality varies at every bank and that's due to the importance of connections (who your mom / dad knows); relationship hires don't always make the best analysts. There's less room for these kids at PWP because of the small class size. But there're benefits to large class sizes (more future connections, etc.), which no one on this thread has mentioned. Less analysts is not always better 2. Exits: some PWP kids have better exits than Guggenheim kids, and some Gugg kids have better exits than PWP kids. It depends on the quality of the analyst, your undergrad school / GPA, how well you interview, etc. If you're mediocre, PWP's name is not going to save you and you will not exit well (this is true of mediocre analysts at GS / Evercore or whichever bank WSO idolizes). The average PWP analyst has better exits than the average Guggenheim analyst solely due to the smaller class size. If you take two identical twins with the same stats and abilities and one worked at Gugg and one worked at PWP, I'm sure they would exit to the same place. Average class exit is not a good metric to use because it doesn't reflect your own abilities. Key takeaway: top analysts at any of these banks go to MFs / UMMs (and sometimes MM if they're unlucky given how random and competitive recruiting is), middle bucket analysts go to MM / LMM shops and bottom bucket analysts go to no-name buy-side shops / don't go buy-side 3. Deal Flow: Guggenheim does more deals than PWP (both banks do more than Greenhill), BUT the average Gugg deal size is smaller (obviously because there are only so many megacap deals). However, smaller deals require just as much, if not more work, so you still need analysts. I don't have a comparison of deal / analyst but you should end your analyst years with at least a couple at either bank. All three banks do megacap deals Gugg doing more deals than PWP is common sense. It doesn't matter how strong the analyst, there's only so much he / she can handle at once. And Gugg isn't a charity, they don't just hire analysts because they want to launch their careers You better be doing deals Also, there's an obsession with deals on WSO. I guarantee that after you do one (maybe two), you'll never want to do another one. They're a ton of work and most people would rather be chilling Hope this was helpful. Now go on and do something more productive
OP, ignore all other posts in this thread and just read this post.
Thank you! Not the OP but that was very helpful
Great post. Just wanted to confirm your point that Gugg has a great internship culture. Spoke with an associate the other day who made a point to tell me about all the "fun" outside of work events they have for Summer Interns. IE: tickets to sporting events, dinners, contests, etc.
I don't know why you think PWP does more deals than Greenhill. That's completely false according to merger market. I'm posting a link to the actual volume rankings from 01/01/2019 to the current day. It's Gugg>GHL>PWP in terms of volume but all are relatively close.
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ur def a GHL analyst
Yup, this forum is just people repeating the same false information that’s been posted before
Is this US or Global?
It’s just hilarious to think that firms try to maintain exclusivity by controlling analyst class - the lowest rungs. There needs to be better logic around here
PWP is definitely the most prestigious. I've seen some people exit to really interesting funds coming out of there. Comp is comparable to most EBs. The only draw is that it's a total fucking sweatshop. Like borderline slavery. A couple of my friends did their internship there and I didn't see them once over the whole summer. One of them worked like 16 hours a day 7 days a week for the whole internship and didn't get a return offer.
I don't know anyone at GUG but I've heard GH is pretty fun. Comp is a little lower but hours are a lot better.
that user name tho
What was the reason behind them not getting a return? Culture? If they worked that many hours and didn’t get a return at the end then something must’ve went sideways.
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